Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

[shaggyballs]

And Yes I have said all along!
Time and time again.

I am 100% for legalization if it is for the people and by the people!

Anything less is simply unacceptable.
Do we agree on this or is there more to debate?
shag

 

[glow]

Yes I have told people vote no to legalization or else.
Or else they may lose their right to home growing and may be forced to buy from the govt. among other reasons.
And I provided you with valid references to why I and many other feel this way. You may call it dribble, but check you will find the facts.
If you wish to look the other way that is fine, but you are here to convince me of what I know to be true is actually false.
But you provide only opinion to make your case.
And I am supposed to bow to you and accept you word over what i see is evidence of bad thing taking place right now.
Would you, I once though you stood for what is right...now not so much.
You would gain a large amount of money through legalization would you not?(lets see if you answer this one)
Me I just want to grow my own, and give others the same common courtesy.
I have no financial gain or loss either way, so you see I am unbiased....you... I wonder now?

This is your statement not mine!
What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence that med laws will be scrapped and replaced by limited legalization.
I never stated this!

Shag's re "You would gain a large amount of money through legalization would you not?" Hilarious.... now I am Monsanto To answer that, absolutely not - in fact I'd lose money, of that I am sure. This said whose legalization are we talking about - the legalization being presented through policy or your perverted and twisted version of this policy?

Re your poll... If you ask people would they give up their right to home grow in favor of legalization on a grow forum there answer would be absolutely no. In fact I'm surprised anyone voted yes. You are constructing a lie and I'm surprised no one else has pulled you up on this fact. FACT - no one is giving up their right to grow in favour of legalization.

I.e. I say... "What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence that med laws will be scrapped and replaced by limited legalization."


you say - "I never stated this!"

Great, so we finally have an answer = no one is giving up their right to grow in favor of legalization. What legalization is in a narrow frame to some is the right to be in possession of small amounts of cannabis with no changes to med laws equals win/win for all and a tentative step forward in the war against drugs. EXCELLENT - we finally have an answer!!

You say - "Me I just want to grow my own, and give others the same common courtesy."

You're growing your own now and will continue to do so after legalization under the med laws that still stand. Meantime, people will not be persecuted and imprisoned for small time personal possession equals a win/win for all.

You say ---- "I have no financial gain or loss either way, so you see I am unbiased....you... I wonder now?"

Wow, fancy that and yet you have started several threads lobbying against policy that is a win/win for all. What is your motivation into investing so much time and energy into this then? Why did you doctor evidence? Why did you misappropriate information and present it in such a way as to demonize solid policy that is a tentative step in the right direction?

You say "convince me of what I know to be true is actually false.
But you provide only opinion to make your case."

Well no, convince me of what you have constructed which is based on blatant bullshit is true.... What I have asked you is whether med laws still stand and you have answered yes!!! How exactly have you lost your right to grow under legalization???

A: You haven't! You have admitted that no grower will lose their right to grow under med laws. Meantime you have started a poll that asks growers on a grow forum whether they would give up their right to grow under legalization. Is anyone seeing this yet?

Re this - "Yes I have told people vote no to legalization or else.
Or else they may lose their right to home growing and may be forced to buy from the govt. among other reasons."

Oh really and where does the policy say this? You have admitted that med laws still stand and on that front nothing changes. People still have the right to grow. In the meantime, you have manufactured a scare campaign which is based on total bollocks. What is your agenda here? Really?

Shag's you wank on about "for the people, by the people." No probs there. Draft a proposition, collect the required signatures and offer it up for democratic appraisal.

 

[WaittillIdie]

dc

 

[shaggyballs]

Shag's re "You would gain a large amount of money through legalization would you not?" Hilarious.... now I am Monsanto Nice twist and if you say you will not I feel that is a bold face lie....do you not make money in the cannabis industry now....yes I believe you already said so!To answer that, absolutely not - in fact I'd lose money, of that I am sure. Explain this to all the nice readers! How will you lose money this should be a good laugh!

How it this?...It make no sense???This said whose legalization are we talking about - the legalization being presented through policy or your perverted and twisted version of this policy? What exactly is this twisted version of mine...fill me in would ya, since you are the fabricatior!

Re your poll... If you ask people would they give up their right to home grow in favor of legalization on a grow forum there answer would be absolutely no. In fact I'm surprised anyone voted yes. You are constructing a lie Where is said lie I am constructing?and I'm surprised no one else has pulled you up on this fact. FACT - no one is giving up their right to grow in favour of legalization. Where is your proof?...you live by a double standard, I have to provide proof, but we must take only your word..strange?

I.e. I say... "What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence that med laws will be scrapped and replaced by limited legalization." and you have not provided any for your side of the argument...strange here also!


you say - "I never stated this!"

Great, so we finally have an answer = no one is giving up their right to grow in favor of legalization. SAYS GLOW...everyone BOW to the almighty who needs no proof only his word!...LOL...LOL What legalization is in a narrow frame to some is the right to be in possession of small amounts of cannabis with no changes to med laws equals win/win for all and a tentative step forward in the war against drugs. EXCELLENT - we finally have an answer!! In your head anything is possible!

You say - "Me I just want to grow my own, and give others the same common courtesy."

You're growing your own now and will continue to do so after legalization under the med laws that still stand. Meantime, people will not be persecuted and imprisoned for small time personal possession equals a win/win for all. You sir do not have all the facts..very strange for someone known to dig out facts!

You say ---- "I have no financial gain or loss either way, so you see I am unbiased....you... I wonder now?"

Wow, fancy that and yet you have started several threads lobbying against policy that is a win/win for all. What is your motivation into investing so much time and energy into this then? If you read the thread even just once it would be very clear.(read the thread bro...JUST READ THE THREAD! Why did you doctor evidence? I ask you several times for an example What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence Why did you misappropriate information and present it in such a way as to demonize solid policy that is a tentative step in the right direction? What you have failed to do is show one shred of evidence

You say "convince me of what I know to be true is actually false.
But you provide only opinion to make your case."

Well no, convince me of what you have constructed which is based on blatant bullshit is true.... What I have asked you is whether med laws still stand and you have answered yes!!! How exactly have you lost your right to grow under legalization???

A: You haven't! You have admitted that no grower will lose their right to grow under med laws. Those are your words...quote me if I am wrong!Meantime you have started a poll that asks growers on a grow forum whether they would give up their right to grow under legalization. Is anyone seeing this yet? You say I twist words, dear sir you are a master of this art!

Re this - "Yes I have told people vote no to legalization or else.
Or else they may lose their right to home growing and may be forced to buy from the govt. among other reasons."

Oh really and where does the policy say this? Where does it say it is preserved? You have admitted that med laws still stand and on that front nothing changes.No your words again! People still have the right to grow. In the meantime, you have manufactured a scare campaign which is based on total bollocks. What is your agenda here? Really?
Freedom(read the thread)

Shag's you wank on about "for the people, by the people." No probs there. Draft a proposition, collect the required signatures and offer it up for democratic appraisal.

So now I have to go on the campaign trail...are you on it?

GLOW what has happened to you?
You ignore facts presented to you!
You have went from a highly respected man in the community to a to this..What's up there.
Let the public judge for themselves what is really taking place here.
This is clearly a personal matter you have with me...no?

 

[shaggyballs]

And Yes I have said all along!
Time and time again.

I am 100% for legalization if it is for the people and by the people!

Anything less is simply unacceptable.
Do we agree on this or is there more to debate?
shag

Apparently you do not agree with this statement.
(are you even reading this thread?)

 

[shaggyballs]

A shred of evidence for ya GLOW, cause you don't seem to be able to do a simple Google search..LOL

Current medical laws

Washington state
Cultivation: 12 marijuana plants, none within 25 miles of a licensed dispensary
- See more at: http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patie...juana-laws-by-state.html#sthash.MruyJFWj.dpuf

Lost rights here..hmmm
Some are going to lose their rights to grow their own.
This was on the first page (please read the thread)

Connecticut
Cultivation: Personal cultivation of cannabis prohibited - See more at: http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patie...juana-laws-by-state.html#sthash.MruyJFWj.dpuf

Delaware
Cultivation: Only licensed compassion center agents may cultivate medical marijuana for qualified patients (home cultivation is prohibited) - See more at: http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patie...juana-laws-by-state.html#sthash.MruyJFWj.dpuf

D.C.
Cultivation: Not allowed under current law

Illinois
Cultivation: Not permitted

New Hampshire
Cultivation: Not allowed under current law

New Jersey
Cultivation: Not allowed under current law

Legalization will magically restore home growing in these states?
Your turn to provide evidence for your side of this argument!
And are you sure these states will give up all that tax money they would get just to allow home growing... WHY?

 

[WaittillIdie]

dc

 

[glow]

A shred of evidence for ya GLOW, cause you don't seem to be able to do a simple Google search..LOL

Current medical laws

Washington state
Cultivation: 12 marijuana plants, none within 25 miles of a licensed dispensary
- See more at: http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patie...juana-laws-by-state.html#sthash.MruyJFWj.dpuf

Lost rights here..hmmm
Some are going to lose their rights to grow their own.
This was on the first page (please read the thread)

Connecticut
Cultivation: Personal cultivation of cannabis prohibited - See more at: http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patie...juana-laws-by-state.html#sthash.MruyJFWj.dpuf

Delaware
Cultivation: Only licensed compassion center agents may cultivate medical marijuana for qualified patients (home cultivation is prohibited) - See more at: http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patie...juana-laws-by-state.html#sthash.MruyJFWj.dpuf

D.C.
Cultivation: Not allowed under current law

Illinois
Cultivation: Not permitted

New Hampshire
Cultivation: Not allowed under current law

New Jersey
Cultivation: Not allowed under current law

Legalization will magically restore home growing in these states?
Your turn to provide evidence for your side of this argument!
And are you sure these states will give up all that tax money they would get just to allow home growing... WHY?

Shag's this is getting old ---- do you really take people for this dumb? Read the title to just one of the threads you have started. "Vote no to legalization or else." Then you post wank about Med laws - not legalization laws to support why people should vote no to legalization. Seriously - so what are you saying here other than you don't seem to understand the difference between medical pseudo legal and legalization rec laws?

 

[glow]

So now I have to go on the campaign trail...are you on it?

GLOW what has happened to you?
You ignore facts presented to you!
You have went from a highly respected man in the community to a to this..What's up there.
Let the public judge for themselves what is really taking place here.
This is clearly a personal matter you have with me...no?

Oh cut the crap Shag's.

Who are the people then if not yourself? So if you're not prepared to become politically active in the legalization campaign what the fuck are you doing here, if not politically lobbying? Use your time and efforts to actually make meaningful change and not instead distort and pervert information for your personal agenda. For the people by the people Shag's. Put your money where your mouth is and direct your efforts to constructive rather than destructive work.

 

[glow]

I think Shag's is against these kind of proposed laws:

http://www.dispatch.com/content/sto.../Marijuana_ballot_issue_possible_in_2015.html

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/12/campaign_to_legalize_marijuana.html

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/23503

10 rich people would grow and sell to the whole state while incriminating the rest while prohibition in a guise rolls on.

I think Florida is trying to do the same thing.

Every state just needs to draft and then vote for a prop 62 and prop 64 type laws. Med and rec.

Dispensary's should have a choice to choose where their cannabis comes from and if they want a local organic private supplier who is licensed to do so then why not?

Now see that is way better - actually posting information that conforms to vote no to legalization or you may lose your right to grow..

So this link re Ohio http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/12/campaign_to_legalize_marijuana.html


And the other two links are about Ohio also... so let's look at Ohio


Let's dissect this and your comment "10 rich people would grow and sell to the whole state while incriminating the rest while prohibition in a guise rolls on." Well no laws (the government) incriminates the whole state now - it has got absolutely nothing to do with 10 rich people. If we are going to post information at least try to get our facts right.

re med in Ohio

"Possession of marijuana is illegal in Ohio. Currently, there is a bill working its way through Ohio’s legislative process that, if passed, would legalize medical marijuana. However, despite polls showing that Ohio residents are strongly in favor of legalizing medicinal marijuana, the bill is not expected to be approved by the legislature. Even if medicinal marijuana were made legal according to Ohio state law, it would still be illegal under federal law." From http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/marijuana-law/ohio-marijuana-laws.htm

So possession is illegal in Ohio and there are no laws to protect the ill and dying (i.e. no med)

Re laws for cannabis cultivation in Ohio ....

Up to 20 grams without payment. Like possession of small amounts of marijuana, Ohio has decriminalized giving someone up to 20 grams of marijuana. Violations are considered minor misdemeanors, which incur a $150 fine but no jail time, and do not become part of the defendant’s criminal record. (wow 20 grams ---- less than a single SOG plant!)

Sale of up to 200 grams. Penalties include a fine of up to $2,500, up to one year in jail, or both. (>20 grams, criminal record, fine and potential imprisonment so you can potentially go to prison for a single plant - sort of suck if you had priors)

Between 200 and 1,000 grams. Penalties include a fine of up to $2,500, up to 18 months in prison, or both.

Between 1,000 and 20,000 grams. Penalties include a fine of between $5,000 and $10,000, between one and five years in prison, or both.

Yep seems to me that you're not allowed to cultivate at all in Ohio (period!!... so legalization - if you can call this proposal legalization - has no effect at all re cultivating at home)

Vote yes or no same thing - no loss whatsoever to home cultivators - albeit Ohio's cannabis laws would be diluted if this bill ever made it through the house and I am sure it won't because even their med laws look as if they won't pass... but you are right 10 rich people stand to become very rich from this but let's not imply here that cultivators lose their right to grow because they have no right to grow right now and this is what Shag's is wanking on about. Of course if these greedy rich fuckers did manage to get their ugly proposal through I'd applaud the bastards and then leap board them with another proposal that utilizes their constitutional glitch - a win/win for all really wouldn't you say?

re this - "Every state just needs to draft and then vote for a prop 62 and prop 64 type laws. Med and rec." Agree - a good start at least. Personally I'd rather see a blanket legalization at a federal level where cannabis is taxed and treated much in the same way as alcohol re rec and where grows were not number limited or had larger numbers than are current. But then in a perfect world the sun would be shining every day, there would be no war or starvation and we'd all smiling and happy. Prob is it isn't a perfect world and for now we have to make the best of it and in reality make tentative steps forward by voting yes when progress is offered.

Ah yeah and a bit of news from Ohio re home cultivation http://www.thegatewaynews.com/news ...ro-marijuana-grow-uncovered-resident-arrested

Note:

"Robert C. Baker, 44, is charged with one count each of illegal cultivation of marijuana and tampering with evidence, both third-degree felonies. He was released on $3,500 bond, following his arraignment in Portage County Municipal Court...

Inside, they allegedly found "several independent grow rooms" containing at least 10 marijuana plants in various stages of growth, loose marijuana, sophisticated growing equipment including lights, drug paraphernalia, and several firearms, according to the drug task force and court records." And then go onto say.... "The total amount of marijuana weighed between 1,000 and 5,000 grams, according to court records."

Wow... dude must have really been one kick assed grower to have that weight on 10 plants. Must have weighed it wet no doubt... Welcome to prohibition.... Pack soap on a rope son, you're going to prison..

This is what Shag's supports. A vote NO to progress is a vote YES to oppression,

 

[monsoon]

glow be on it

petitioning is the way to get a measure on the ballot. That's how it happened here in CO.

Sadly....many folks just up and moved here rather than doing what was needed, as we did, to change the laws where they live. Once it gets easy....everyone wants to play on the field you built.

Can't say what other states will do but rest assured if your state is one of the next few to "legalize" YOUR game will be severely affected by the influx of folks who will move in looking for easy $$$ as happened here in CO. Beware.

And don't look now...but we are moving AWAY from this plant being FREE. Still gonna be $400 a z...you just won't be the one makin the $400.

 

[WaittillIdie]

Oh well.

 

[glow]

glow be on it

petitioning is the way to get a measure on the ballot. That's how it happened here in CO.

Sadly....many folks just up and moved here rather than doing what was needed, as we did, to change the laws where they live. Once it gets easy....everyone wants to play on the field you built.

Can't say what other states will do but rest assured if your state is one of the next few to "legalize" YOUR game will be severely affected by the influx of folks who will move in looking for easy $$$ as happened here in CO. Beware.

And don't look now...but we are moving AWAY from this plant being FREE. Still gonna be $400 a z...you just won't be the one makin the $400.

The plant will always be free - its just what occurs after you get busted that counts. No Draconian law = no bust = no fine = no imprisonment. I sort of see even bogus legalization as a step forward because it dilutes existing laws to a situation something like tobacco where sure you shouldn't grow it but no one is really worried and they don't enforce it because there are no assets to be seized etc.

And yes, we are on it as are a lot of people. Sad to hear that outsiders moved in to milk the situation rather than stay at home and lobby for positive change.

 

[Psi Haze]

Fuck Black Market cannabis and the shady people who try to turn a buck with it. I respect a dealer like I would respect a moonshiner, I don't care but I`m not touching their shit. When those idiots start carrying guns is a bunch of bullshit...


you see people get shot over beer? didn't think so..


..I`m voting to legalize Cannabis, piss on the haters.

 

[glow]

Fuck Black Market cannabis and the shady people who try to turn a buck with it. I respect a dealer like I would respect a moonshiner, I don't care but I`m not touching their shit. When those idiots start carrying guns is a bunch of bullshit...


you see people get shot over beer? didn't think so..


..I`m voting to legalize Cannabis, piss on the haters.

Typically those who purport to represent the culture and say shit like "for the people by the people "- I'm a patriot and would die for my country but wouldn't pay taxes are just dealers looking to profiteer from prohibition. Strip apart their bullshit and what you have is a scum bag who would say or do anything to keep the plant illegal. Legalization gets my vote YES every time as long as it is in a guise that takes us one further step forward from where we have been.

 

[shaggyballs]

Now see that is way better - actually posting information that conforms to vote no to legalization or you may lose your right to grow..

It was on the first page(read the thread man ..read the thread)

Edit:
One user wrote
"I voted for I-502 allowing recreational with promises of not touching medical.

in secret, they designed the rules for 502, and in doing so decided to change parameters of RCW61.5 reducing possession of processed cannabis from 24 oz to 1 oz, and eliminating personal grows completely.

that knife in the back was twisted. for tax revenue."

Read the thread...man...just read the thread.....did I say read the thread!
It is all in there for ya...only if you read the tread!

So this link re Ohio http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/12/campaign_to_legalize_marijuana.html


And the other two links are about Ohio also... so let's look at Ohio




Wow... dude must have really been one kick assed grower to have that weight on 10 plants. Must have weighed it wet no doubt... Welcome to prohibition.... Pack soap on a rope son, you're going to prison..

This is what Shag's supports. A vote NO to progress is a vote YES to oppression,

No it is not! Why do you continue to spread lies about me? ( read the thread man...would you please just read the thread)

GLOW if you are really so inept at finding information for yourself, and you are not even willing to read the thread!
nothing I can say or do will change things.(try reading the thread)

You have lowered yourself to TROLL status in front of all of us here!
This is a great suprise to me as I once saw you as a respectable man...now turned TROLL?
Let the public be the judge of what I say...true or false let them judge is this the action of a troll?... just look back the truth is there!

I stated I am only for legalization for the people and by the people over and over!

If you see a flaw in that logic, I don't know what to tell you!

Your quote was what again, something like I will vote for legalization at any cost, was it not?
Can you say sell out?

I can not call you a sell out....your not even a US citizen, are you?

I have said all I can say.....Feel free to TROLL away bro...have at it!

shag

 

[glow]

No it is not! Why do you continue to spread lies about me? ( read the thread man...would you please just read the thread)

GLOW if you are really so inept at finding information for yourself, and you are not even willing to read the thread!
nothing I can say or do will change things.(try reading the thread)

You have lowered yourself to TROLL status in front of all of us here!
This is a great suprise to me as I once saw you as a respectable man...now turned TROLL?
Let the public be the judge of what I say...true or false let them judge is this the action of a troll?... just look back the truth is there!

I stated I am only for legalization for the people and by the people over and over!

If you see a flaw in that logic, I don't know what to tell you!

Your quote was what again, something like I will vote for legalization at any cost, was it not?
Can you say sell out?

I can not call you a sell out....your not even a US citizen, are you?

I have said all I can say.....Feel free to TROLL away bro...have at it!

shag

Ah the troll card. The patriot card (but you're not prepared to pay taxes you freeloader so really what kind of a citizen are you really? How patriotic are you really? ).

But let's go back to your whole game plan. Vote no to legalization (or else!!!). Actually, five threads of your misinformation, disinformation, half-truths, no truths and fear mongering hysteria. Dude - you’re a spam artist and a bullshit artist to boot

Titles of your threads =

Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else

If you live in a Legal Cannabis State and are unhappy post here!

The same people that sent you to prison for pot, will now sell pot to you!

Monsanto Poised To Take Over Commercial Cannabis Growing In All Legal States!

Do you think legalizing cannabis will include home growing?

(nah mate - none of these titles are inflammatory and aimed at whipping up a bit of good ol hysteria

Along with a poll that reads

Will you give up home growing for legalization?

And yet you ask the question why should I become politically active LOL. Honestly people, is anyone getting this yet? Dude, how many hours have you spent being politically active on IC Mag? Why not put that to good use and draft a prop and then lobby and collect sigs for legalization in the guise you see as ideal?

Shaggy you’re boring and transparent. I just hope others here see that. We’re done unless you have something intelligent to add that isn’t a distortion or misappropriation of fact.

Ah and please don’t cite Jack Herer’s work to substantiate your agenda – having spoken to him many times he wouldn’t piss on you if you caught fire. Jack was 100% pro legalization and when the shit show in Ca was going down Jack’s family made a public comment stating that he would have supported the legalization prop there.

 

[resinryder]

So legalization at ANY cost is what you're saying. If it takes away home growing or the price point prices people out it's ok with you?

 

[hush]

So legalization at ANY cost is what you're saying. If it takes away home growing or the price point prices people out it's ok with you?

I've stayed out of this thread since posting on the first few pages, but I've been reading it (and shaking my head) ever since. And now I have to quote the above and comment again...

Every time someone makes the above comment, or something similar to it, it makes me shake my head in disbelief. Are you not aware that it is *prohibition* that bears the heaviest cost on people? Are you not aware that home growing is already currently illegal in most places anyway, making that whole "takes away home growing" thing a moot point? What is going through people's heads when they use that argument? It baffles me. People are going to jail for being in possession of flowers. Are you seriously going to prolong that injustice just so you can keep charging $3000 a pound for flowers that should only cost you less than $200 to produce? It's asinine, and everyone sees it for what it is: greed.

Lets legalize it so that there will suddenly be more customers, and less existing customers going to jail, and then watch how you continue to make money just like you always have, albeit, with less than a 1500% markup.

Who is actually being fooled by this "legalization is going to send more people to jail" nonsense?

 

[shaggyballs]

We’re done unless you have something intelligent to add that isn’t a distortion or misappropriation of fact.

Let the people speak for themselves!
Might have been easier for you to just simply read the thread...NO?

The MPP testified here in Nevada just how proud and happy they were to support Nevada's new mmj law that TOOK AWAY MMJ PATIENTS RIGHT TO GROW THEIR OWN. Saw/heard them say it with my own ears and eyes. The MPP has no ones interest at heart but their own.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsu...marijuana-restrictions-have-patients-worried/
Many right are being lost...."for example, the Gun Control Act of 1968 strips all marijuana consumers of their Second Amendment rights."

Hiatt complains that legislators are so eager to maximize tax revenue and discourage federal intervention that they are willing to compromise the interests of patients. “They’re saying, ‘We’ll throw medical marijuana under the bus if you’ll let us get away with 502,’” he says. “People in the community here are furious. They feel like they’ve been betrayed.”

MMJ activists say HB 2149 is proof that I-502 supporters were lying when they said legalizing the recreational market would not eliminate the medical market. They now fear patients will be forced into a recreational market that has little interest or ability to serve their medical needs

The bill requires patients to buy their cannabis from the same stores that serve recreational customers, which would be the only legal sellers of medical marijuana as of May 1, 2015

Any and every citizen needs to make sure they help write the law in their state or country (canada) for medical or recreational cannabis to prevent the state legislature from taking away your right to grow your own at home.
Everyone already knows the corporations have the representatives in their pocket and don't care about medical patients rights. As a mater of fact they only want your money and want to make sure they prevent you from doing anything that would take the advantage away from them.

And the other important thing is to prevent only state run locations from being able to operate in your state. A number of states only allow a number of locations to operate under guidelines effectivly setting up a monopoly in their state run cannabis grows. Do not let this happens in your state or watch all the profit go into some millionaires pockets already in bed with the representatives and not into your pocket or your neighbors.
They simply price you out and your so excited about legal weed you didn't see them bending you over and running away with the treasure chest.

Just remember:
1. They are not setting this up for your benefit.
2. They don't give a rats azz about your medical neccessities.
3. They want all the profit for themselfs and their cronies.
4. If they could own it all and stop any competition from the black market or elsewhere that is exactly want they will do.

You don't get it. Let me spell it out for you again.

1. They are not setting this up for your benefit.
2. They don't give a rats azz about your medical neccessities.
3. They want all the profit for themselfs and their cronies.
4. If they could own it all and stop any competition from the black market or elsewhere that is exactly want they will do.

Human rights don't apply when they are killing us all slowly to fill their pockets with cash. You assume they give a rats azz about you and your human rights. The same people who lock you up for a joint? Please! Take off your rose colored glasses. Only way to beat them is to get to the ballot box first with citizen written and a good lier (lawyer) to write the ballot initiative first. If gov or big business reps do it first your state is doomed to follow NJ and Conn inside good old boys setup..

Reducing the number of people incarcerated for cannabis related crimes is if oar amount importance. IMHO. But I wonder who drafted the relevant legislation in your state? It should have been you it should have been me. I hope everyone read what Sam had to say re: government and big business and their role in the industry. This is a well connected pioneer that I believe offered a little foreshadowing. Take control and put forward a bill, etc that is comprehensive and embodies what we all want. Pass a law no patents on plants. Now that would be something!

If this is the definition of legal, then I need to go back to school. Tomatoes are legal I can grow them for myself, IF cannabis is not treated the same way THEN cannabis is not legal.

As long as they allow us to grow it doesn't really matter what the retail shops do.

But don't fool yerself. The SAME lyin' cheatin' stealin' abusive psychopath bastards (and worse) are STILL at the helm of the ship (along with your Gov't as navigator)...and they will do all they can to steer that ship into a port where they have full control (aka..they want nothing more than to nix your right to grow so you HAVE TO buy from them).

You are getting one point while missing the most important.

Do you really think CO is doing it rifht? Or could they be doing better? The point of this thread i believe was to point out how the wool can be pulled over our eyes. Its just like every other bill where politicians slip in something completely unrelated and get it passed.

"Oh look, legal marijuana! Just dont actually read the bill that makes your life worse! Legal MJ! VOTE YES!"

Not quite

If we "legalize it" there is a line between illegal and legal weed established. People will still go to jail for doing the same thing the legal growers are doing. Its discrimination in the most obvious sense. Its also controlling the market.

I think we should all stick together on this issue and just overgrow the world ,nullify the laws in court and vote for people who wont enforce those laws and or introduce legislation repealing laws against it.

As long as you are not trying to sell them. Then you are putting yourself at risk.

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Jhhnn Rights are not given they are inherent. Legal rights are just privileges you get for paying a protection fee to an extortionist. You pay and nothing bad happens to you. If you prefer having all your rights turned into privileges that's your choice. But I don't think anyone has the right to make that choice for others. Which voting for such privileges is in practice the same exact thing.

Dude there is more than one way to go about it rather than outright regulation and taxes licensing ect. .... Like repealing the laws that make it illegal in the first place.

Here is an example

H.R.2306 — 112th Congress (2011-2012)
Shown Here:
Introduced in House (06/23/2011)

I'll give you a realistic alternative. Unlimited personal growing. Starting tomorrow you can grow as much as you want just can't sell it. To participate in that industry you need to play the game just like any other "legitimate industry", pay taxes/etc, and that's okay with me...

WHY DOES LEGALIZATION HAVE TO BE A REGULATION ON THE # OF PLANTS I CAN HAVE? Nobody comes and tells me how much beer I can brew or how many POPPY PLANTS I can have, for ornamental purposes only of course. Why is MJ so different?

Ive yet to see anyone make any argument for the restriction of plant #s. And i keep asking the question... Here in CA i can cultivate as many plants as is neccessary for my medical condition, and come together with others to form a cooporative or collective to cultivate and distribute marijuana amongst ourselves.

Why do I want to legalize again? I cant imagine the new regulations being any better for users than that....

From what I was told today from a reliable source, if recreational passes in Nevada Medical marijuana will be tossed out and everyone would be forced into the recreational shops. Read that as medical marijuana in Nevada will be a thing of the past and no patient being able to grow for themselves. No real sure but will be inquiring into this further. This would be a couple year process the way the state government procedures work.

Also need to add that this is the long term plan and not the short term. No way they could do away with medical and push everyone into recreational with the next vote or legislative session without a major fight. Looks like the petition to go recreactional isn't up to voters but up to the legislation as the signatures for the current petition doesn't need to be turned in to have signatures verified until November 11th or 14th. A week after election day. So fuck the voter and leave it to those in line to make money representing prospective clients. Got to love the way Nevada works

Vote to repeal laws. No enact more.

Yeah no one is asking you to be a super hero , just not to be a moron. The only truth you offer is your version of subjugation with taxes and imprisonment for those who don't agree. Something that has been tried for more than a hundred years. Congrats I think it will take you longer to figure out freedom is a solution, something we are proposing now, LOL.

Nobody is going to jail here in CA. Please tell me more about how CA should just blindly vote yes to regulations.

In CA blindly voting yes to regulations makes zero sense. As an informed user you are offered so much protection as a medical patient. If you get a fine for possession that's on you, but if instead of taking responsibility and taking steps to be legal, I guess voting yes to more regulations is okay...

The whole point of not voting for legalization is to avoid regulation, but as I said above, the general population has no interest in personal responsibility so I guess legalization makes the most sense to them.

My first thought is to say fuck those people too stupid to protect themselves with a medical recommendation, but then I think of the racial inequality in drug arrests and the ignorance that is bred in the inner city... Fuck it. I guess keeping the ignorant out of jail for possession is better than me staying out for growing obscene amounts for personal consumption.

I think that's some fucking twisted ass logic but I guess we should all make sacrifices for the greater good, no?

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson
Shag says "I love my country but fear my government!"

ya we saw that work with alcohol right? nope wrong.. the fight will be tougher.. they will be locking people up for longer if its legal.. and ur illegally growing it .. it will be like operating a still..and producing moonshine..


vote no to legalizing.. we don't need to vote yes or no.. we need to speak up.. and tell them what WE as a PEOPLE WANT.

wen they make laws to vote for they don't do shit for US.. they make laws to make the governments friends RICH.. look at what happens when they do anything.. lets blow up this country.. but only if we have Bilderberg rebuild it so that McCain gets richer and richer.. lol.. lets make marijuana legal.. and we will regulate it by allowing certain people to grow... and arrest everyone else who is growing it for themselves...

if u think prohibition WORKED.. VOTE YES.


need to get another option out there. to VOTE TO GROW YOUR OWN. kinda thing. I wish it was easier to get that on the ballot.. lol.. put YES or NO.. then under YES.. Grow your own.. or Government Grown.. lol..

I just thought of something!
I know that is an amazing statement in itself.

If cannabis is legal, then you can add another criminal charge if you are caught growing your own!

Can you say TAX EVASION!
Federal prison time!

On top of the current charges!

we are saying.. look the way alcohol is.. its legal. u can get it everywere.. but if u want to put a still in ur backyard.. u still get busted...

I think they will make people get licenses and only give out a set number like liquor licenses.. ? and all the moonshiners/ homegrowers.. are considered ILLEGAL.

especially because the fact that the main reason moonshining is illegal is because liquor taxes are so high that it takes money out of there pocket.. so.. even if it is LEGALIZED there will be laws in place just like moonshining.. to were not EVERYONE CAN JUST GROW THERE OWN .... not by a long shot..

if they legalize marijuana.. its going to be because of the money they are seeing other states make in TAXES.. meaning.. if u take money out of there POCKET.. the IRS will toss your ass in jail.. if u don't understand that.. then you haven't researched the reason for prohibition.. then the legalization of alcohol... and the reason why moonshining is still illegal.

just remember.. you get what you VOTE FOR.. just because alcohol is legal .. doesn't mean Everyone can start producing moonshine in there back yard.. just like wen pots legal. not everyone will be able to grow it.. it will be like alcohol in a sense that instead of dispensaries.. tho.. it will be sold at pharmacies more then likely.. is what the big wigs will want unless big pharma just opens dispensaries .. but either way.. big pharma is going to be the one benefiting from it being legal.. not the mom and pop shops.. and home growers..

Finally someone gets the big picture!

The country I live in is supposed to be a Government of the people, by the people, for the people!
Anything less and we should be ashamed of ourselves for allowing it.
Let the people be heard and speak out!

I feel for ya!
Sounds like a trade off to me!
For instance.

Why in the should I have to give up my constitutional right to bare arms just to get medicine???

It does not even make sense!
That is so wrong on many many levels....if you want this then you must give up that!

Things may be great in certain places now.....but they may not stay that way.
Stay informed....do your research!
shag

Anyway back on topic.

Alaska

Although there is strong support to vote for the legalization of recreational marijuana in the Last Frontier state this November, there also exists strong opposition. Big Marijuana Big Mistake, otherwise known as Vote No. on 2, is a grassroots coalition dedicated to keeping marijuana illegal in Alaska. The coalition argues that the ballot measure would industrialize and commercialize not only marijuana, but also concentrates and edibles, which are more potent and have caused deaths in Colorado. In addition to health consequences, Big Marijuana Big Mistake is concerned that recreational marijuana would be heavily commercialized by giant, out-of-state corporations that would change the landscape of local communities with mass marketing, advertising and storefront properties. It would not be individual farmers and business entrepreneurs who would reap the rewards of recreational marijuana legalization, but these corporate entities. Meanwhile, the task force assigned to regulation of recreational marijuana would actually cost the state more than the current law enforcement.

just remember.. a lot of people want to believe that everything they were told and taught is true.. and the government isn't just watching us.. but watching out for our well being.. which is just BULLSHIT.. the government only helps the rich.. fucks the poor... and snuffed out the middle class.....

u think there ever going to pass laws that actually HELP THE PEOPLE.?? nope.. just big corporations and big pharma.. and the paper industry and the clothing industry.. its not going to change .. its going to get more retarded.. like alcohol. when they say something is legal.. BUT.... that's the ball and chain aspect.. if we give u the right to smoke it and use it.. we take away the right to grow it.. why? because.. if everyone grows there own .. and smokes there own.. then no1 makes money off of it !!!..

but what they don't get is.. if people grow there own and smoke there own.. then those people will be able to spend the money they were spending on marijuana.. could be put into a different part of the economy.. and help the economy.. but instead.. they want to fuck u in every hole u have.. and then take it out of your ass and put it in your mouth.. its disrespectful . and a disgrace.. to a country that is supposed to be about the PEOPLE. not the GOVERNMENT.

It is hard to believe it is so difficult to convince Americans that FREEDOM is a good thing!

I like this so I stole it from ElusiveQuark

I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.

What is the real tragedy is:
People who believe the government needs the vote of the people to do what it wants....Now that makes me LOL

Do you really believe the government needs your vote to do what they want.....I will try not to resort to poor debate tactics like personal attacks as they are not helpful and are child like!

Much like an election this thread has turned into a mudslinging contest!

Only the foolhardy think this will be productive.

If we stand against the most powerful force in the world together we will prevail!!

If we continue to remain divided and make things into a personal issue of mudslinging we will undoubtedly fail!

Tell me what do you think is a more viable solution to the problem?

Ok those who can not contribute to a healthy debate, may now resume the personal attacks!!

shag