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Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else
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Correct me if I'm wrong Shaggy but in legalizing they haven't overturned med laws. Is this correct?
No this is not correct....see the first page of the thread.
What they have done is protect people from persecution and prosecution for possession offenses correct?
Just different people going to jail for different reasons.
People are going to jail for not buying their cannabis from the govt.
Again addressed in the thread.
What this means is that people will not be persecuted or prosecuted at the whim of jack booted, gun carrying thugs correct? No you don't have the facts here either.What this means is people who would have incurred criminal records and for that matter been incarcerated are no longer subject to a regime of oppression... correct?
No this is incorrect also.
At which point did they hand over cultivating to large commercial interests? As you would say open your eyes!Correct me if I'm wrong but large commercial interests would not be interested in staking millions of dollars while cultivation is still a federal offense.... correct? Incorrect You are failing to see this is well underway! Therefore, any move on the part of large commercial interests would only occur after federal legalization... correct?
Not true here either, please read the thread(is this not what you always preach)
Now Shaggy, wake up and smell the roses. No doubt if and when federal legalization does occur large commercial interests will become involved and monopolies will be formed. Sorry mate but if you believe otherwise then you are living in lala land and understand nothing about capitalism. Look around I must be in LA-LA land it is real and now!(again all in the thread) Let's face it mate these monopolies are already attempting to form and psssst it isn't Monsanto but the likes of Harborside that you need to look out for. I was in Oakland during the legalization fiasco when dispensaries were making bids for mega grows. What a shit show that was. Same pricks who were lobbying against legalization were trying to protect their interests and nothing else. That makes them as evil as Monsanto in my books. This I am against also, for the record!
However, when and if federal legalization does occur the whole single narcotics convention isn't worth the paper it is written on and millions of people worldwide will no longer face prison for cannabis offenses but here you are saying vote no to legalization. ( again I ask please read the thread you are not seeing the whole story)Yeah pal - of course i support you. I am a self serving scum bag who wishes to self loathe each time I look in the mirror
More hatred...Is that all you have?
Now I am a self serving scum bag who wishes to self loathe each time I look in the mirror.
Why again...what did I do to you?
Man...This is one of your biggest pet pev's and you did not even read the thread did ya? Thats funny....Not meant to be hurtful, just funny!
I am really am very sorry if it was..I just find it strange.
Here is a quick recap all on this very first page
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=287317
You state commercial growers want nothing to do with cannabis.
I have to say you do not have all the facts.
Again this is not like you!
Again I ask where do you stand?
"Again I ask where do you stand?"
I stand for legalization - we're not getting through here are we? I repeat, I stand for legalization....Always have and always will.
Oh and Shaggy cut the BS that you seem to know me with wank like "this is not like you". It is - it is very like me. I have been a vocal high profile entity in the legalization debate for over 20 years.
You are incredible - the way you pervert the facts. I have no idea who you are and here you are trying to make links to knowing me. That's desperate pal. And to say that I aren't seeing the whole story.... haha yes I am... very much so.... I'm very much a big picture person (if you knew me at all you'd understand that) There's a much bigger game in play here and what you are missing is the bigger picture of democracy, sovereign states and international law.
I stand for legalization - we're not getting through here are we?
I repeat, I stand for legalization....Always have and always will.Oh and Shaggy cut the BS that you seem to know me with wank like "this is not like you". It is - it is very like me. I have been a vocal high profile entity in the legalization debate for over 20 years.
You are incredible - the way you pervert the facts. I have no idea who you are and here you are trying to make links to knowing me. That's desperate pal. And to say that I aren't seeing the whole story.... haha yes I am... very much so.... I'm very much a big picture person (if you knew me at all you'd understand that) There's a much bigger game in play here and what you are missing is the bigger picture of democracy, sovereign states and international law.
Dear sir I think you just revealed a little about your morality here!
You do not know me from Adam Do ya? or even what I stand for? And what exactly is your fabrication of what I represent...
You have not even read the thread, did you?
Yet you cast judgment?
What do you expect to gain from all the personal attacks.
Your personality seems extremely conflicted as to what you TRULY STAND FOR
So may I quote you as saying you are for legalization at any and all cost?
Something I find highly immoral.
Some would see such a thing a sell out.
Again Shags perverting the facts. Never let the truth get in the way of a self serving agenda Mate, let's throw this out to others because I'm extremely bored with your passive aggressive bollocks and circular arguments and citing yourself as a credible source. Sorry pal but I expect very few people find you credible other than yourself.
Mate, let's throw this out to others because I'm extremely bored with your passive aggressive bollocks and circular arguments and citing yourself as a credible source. Sorry pal but I expect very few people find you credible other than yourself.
"Again I ask where do you stand?"
I stand for legalization - we're not getting through here are we?
Oh and Shaggy cut the BS that you seem to know me with wank like "this is not like you". It is - it is very like me. I have been a vocal high profile entity in the legalization debate for over 20 years.
You often state bring facts not opinion to a debate, I have stated this to you already, are you even reading what I posts?( again this is not like you not to stick to facts. just opinion...Am I wrong here?
You are incredible - the way you pervert the facts.Please give examples for the third time asked I have no idea who you are and here you are trying to make links to knowing me. That's desperate pal. I simply read your posts... are you really that slow or is this just a game.I have already stated that I admire your work. come on man read the posts! ..LOL And to say that I aren't seeing the whole story.... haha yes I am... very much so.... I'm very much a big picture person (if you knew me at all you'd understand that) There's a much bigger game in play here and what you are missing is the bigger picture of democracy, sovereign states and international law.
You claim to know more about me than I claim to know about you....strange action here also.
I definitely see the big picture but yours seems foggy.
Check your facts.
Please continue with personal attacks now.
You know the very same thing could and should be said about you!Again Shags perverting the facts.Still no examples huh...is this even the real GLOW? Never let the truth get in the way of a self serving agenda
Seems to me the only point made here is you think I am an immoral.
Judge away.... but read the thread MAN!....you will see all your accusations are just not true.
Again if you read the thread you would see I clearly state do not take my word for anything seek the truth for yourself.
If you stand against this, than I find that Highly immoral!
I stand for truth and freedom!
And I would die for that....would you?
Are you even a US citizen?
Or are you just yellin' over the fence?
Man, and I thought Jhhnn could dance around issues..WOW!
Too classic - pulling the patriot card. Well convenient patriot who would die for his country - "We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness" ... Thomas Jefferson - note the inalienable right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The laws are a step forward and have no impact on existing med laws. Get used to the idea that monopolies will form, you will get old, your eyesight will fail and you will die. BTW - any fool who would die for a country needs his head read. There are several things I would lay down my life for. Fighting for a corrupt government made up of scum who would imprison me for pursuing happiness isn't one of them. You're full of contradictions Shag and totally paranoid. Try wearing tin foil on your head for a bit and see if that helps.
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This issue has been back and forth to death in this thread. Just read the last 10 pages and you can get 10 summaries on each page. 
Everyone is for legalization, as long as current rights are to be preserved, and even more rights to be given. The dangers of corporate America taking over the growing game are very real, but should not deter us from legalization, so long as the above is retained.
Everyone is for legalization, as long as current rights are to be preserved, and even more rights to be given. The dangers of corporate America taking over the growing game are very real, but should not deter us from legalization, so long as the above is retained.
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Sorry Glow. I did not know what in the blue hell I was talking about. I just felt like taking some aggression out on you. I just noticed you are a 2005er. Ok well.
It was just that the game was rigged from the start and now the game is changing. Game Changer.
So there is a yes vote, we know that. CO is basically the framework for laws for med and rec.
However what Shaggy is trying to say is that when it comes to a vote for no home growing (rec laws) then that is a NO vote.
Hey! Thank you WaittillIdie!
This guy understands exactly what I have been saying, why others are having such a hard time catching on?
I do not understand!
@ glow I said I would die for freedom not my country.
You really ought to read the thread, before you post.
I thought you lived by this rule?...Not anymore as it would seem.
I assumed you were a very intelligent man, but you seem to be having trouble interpreting my posts?
Again I find this very strange.
Ok Boys!
All of us that believe in freedom and value your rights and are willing to fight to keep them, it is time to put on the tin foil hat!....So says GLOW!
It is totally insane to think we could hold on to our home growing rights in a fully legalized country.
Just think of all the lost tax money!....But why not try?
This issue has been back and forth to death in this thread. Just read the last 10 pages and you can get 10 summaries on each page.
Everyone is for legalization, as long as current rights are to be preserved, and even more rights to be given. The dangers of corporate America taking over the growing game are very real, but should not deter us from legalization, so long as the above is retained.
Strange this guy gets it too.
Glow I am starting to think you are plain' me like a fiddle!
Your posts seem directed at me not the issue, WHY?
Why all the personal attacks?
Why no on topic debate...Just attacks...Strange????
Yea! in your own private CO. this is currently true.
Not what might happen...what is happening now to real people now.
Do you turn a blind eye to what is so obvious to others?
What about those not so fortunate....SCREW them.
They are living it right now....but you say they don't matter cause CO. is the coolest place in the world.
What a statement good looking out for your fellow man.
You seem to state:
We got it great, who cares what is really happening in other states as we speak.
We have enough self centered people in this world.
What about real people that don't live in CO. they just don't matter.
No pony for them right Jhhnn.
And they don't deserve it either.
They should have moved to CO. if they want a pony.
Well I say a pony for every house, in every state!
Where is the flaw in that logic?
There is none...Some call it freedom!
But you will see it as you wish!
Dear sir
As it would seem, you could use a lesson on this topic yourself.
Vote yes, no matter what or who it hurts and even if that means losing your rights is where you took your stand remember?
Shall I quote you "You bet - vote yes to any legalization Bill."
Man and you say I have low morals? look in the mirror.
There might be someone there you do not recognize.
Just my observations, based on your statements.
When you make a statement like the one above, one must question your integrity and wonder do you really give a shit about others?
Amazing that you could interpret my remarks in a way to fashion such a strange personal attack.
When I say it's great & that we never had it so good, I think it's pretty obvious that I wish the same or better for the entire community. I'm confident that people in newly legalized states & DC feel the same way. We're all cheering for legalization efforts everywhere & do what we can to support them.
We need more states to join us so that we can force federal law to change. It's really the only avenue open, particularly given the complexion of the new Congress.
What more would you have us do, other than our best to make legalization work for everybody in CO? To set an honest & positive example for others to follow? To create a statistical base that annihilates the propaganda myths of prohibition?
How is any of that a threat?
Sorry Glow. I did not know what in the blue hell I was talking about. I just felt like taking some aggression out on you. I just noticed you are a 2005er. Ok well.
It was just that the game was rigged from the start and now the game is changing. Game Changer.
So there is a yes vote, we know that. CO is basically the framework for laws for med and rec.
However what Shaggy is trying to say is that when it comes to a vote for no home growing (rec laws) then that is a NO vote.
Oh is that what he is saying
His initial post on this thread was extremely unclear and misappropriated scare mongering BS which in at least one case he edited and added "Monsanto" to. I tend to distrust anyone who tampers with words to manufacture a scare campaign. If it were to come down to voting for a bill which ruled out home growing then yes vote no but be sure you know what you're voting for. Having read over the Michigan laws essentially med laws stand and legalization laws are a separate thing - meaning med home grows stand and nothing changes other than simple possession is no longer a criminal offense.
Other than this - a few thoughts on the situation. The reality is (with provisos that I'll come to in a moment) that big monopolies will take over the grow scene - as long as this is suitably regulated (e.g. regulations to ensure the cleanest end produce possible) I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing. Certainly in some States the med growing laws are as strict as hell and limit the numbers of grows and license the grow ops who then have to adhere to strict grow requirements. I'm involved in consulting to one of these now. To me this situation is far more preferable than having a bunch of synthetic PGR using cowboys who understand nothing about plant biology growing what is deemed to be medicine. Let's just take Ca as an example which is a shit show - 15% 0f med testing positive for synthetic pesticides and 50% of this being paclobutrazol.Also these numbers are low because often these tests are asked for by the growers who say prove I'm clean (and then the dumb shits test positive
Other than this what isn't being tested for are the synthetic PGRs Alar (far more worrying than paclobutrazol) and chlormequat chloride (albeit this lab is now testing for triazoles -BR biosynthesis inhibitors - such as PCZ). The proviso however is this - legalization ultimately undermines drug war laws and while technically small home growers may be short term be worried about changes ultimately how do you prosecute one person for what you have licensed others to do. And will police at that point be worried about pursuing growers because the courts are basically not interested. Legal precedents will be set etc. Further, as legalization does occur it undermines the whole federal government stance on cannabis and eventually they will have to respect democracy (big picture). Haha mate and no need for an apology - I found your post quite tasteful and honest after reading Shaggy's turbo posts of half arsed fear mongering distortions.
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Not really "amazing" mate - the last bastion of the fool is to attempt to assassinate the character of anyone who opposes them (law of physics).
See above post ^^^^^^ ditto. Add to this that what is occurring in the US with legalization and med is having profound effects in other countries. For example, Australia looks poised to become the first Western federally legal Med country in the world. It's red necked prime minister supporting legal med because the research is already there that demonstrates the values of medicinal cannabis. Much of this research came about as a direct result of the US med and legalization movement.
Shaggy this is getting old - please stop turbo posting dribble and post the text from the proposed law changes (unedited) where it states med laws will be scrapped in favor of legalization. Sorry mate, but all the proposals I have read to date do not scrap med laws which means no loss and only gain.
Your initial post on this thread - one of many scaremongering threads you have started is a joke pal re why they shouldn't legalize cannabis. Firstly you tampered with the Monsanto story. Monsanto was never mentioned in that story until you added to someones else's work. Secondly, you are using Canada's med laws to demonize legalization. You clearly know shit about the Canadian situation and have misappropriated a story and taken it out of context. Ask any Canadian and they would tell you they want legalization - not the poxy med laws the government has imposed on the people. BTW - the reason cannabis was never legalized in Canada was because of US Fed Gov intervention due to cross boarder trafficking. The only Canadians who want their med laws are those that have got the licenses for the grows and I know one of these people (he's a very happy camper about now). So, the Canadian story should be why not to legalize med; not why not to legalize and in fact it is a shining example of why legalization is critical. How soon after the US fed legalizes do you think Canada would follow suit? My guess would be within a year. Should I go on and dissect the rest of your bullshit? You're low rent pal and that is why I am calling you.
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