It should be, but the laws are fuckin dumb.
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Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else
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Told me? All I have to do is look at the price of HID top shelf vs the price of sun grown top shelf. There is a reason for the price difference.
I don't know about that. My friend has been living up in Colorado for the past 6 months now. He's is friends with the owner of Gaia. Prior to moving up to CO he was smoking OG Kush and Girl Scout Cookies from our friends at Cookiefam in the Bay on a daily basis. That's all we smoke. To go from smoking that to what he is getting up there... it just doesn't compare.
I believe I explained this before you were on the thread. Big Ops will NEVER focus on top shelf because it's such a small market of customers who are willing to pay extra for a higher quality product. I honestly think it's only about 10% of the market that will spend the extra money purchasing top shelf weed. Corporations will realize what a waste of sq footage it is to dedicate resources to top shelf. They'll abandon the idea and stay away from it FOREVER. There isn't enough of a market for big corporations to focus on. They're after that 90% because that's where the money is at....... P.S. And, real weed smokers aren't going to replace top shelf weed with oils, extracts, edibles.
Are you talking about Washington? I'm not talking about an area where there are only 24 store fronts and a shortage of weed. I'm talking about California. Where the top shelf outdoor is going for $1,600 (according to a number I saw provided on a different thread) and the top shelf indoor is going for $3,000.
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z-ro
Why? Why do you keep spewing nonsense into this thread? Why do you continue to speculate on that which you have NO EXPERIENCE?!?
There is a reason greenhouse deps go for less than indoor is because it costs less to produce, and to be honest , if you had any legit frame of reference you would know that right now in the summer, deps and ins go for a very similar price. Actually, we pass deps as ins all the time because they are that good.
See you can keep ranting and raving about ins being better, that's great, problem is, nobody wants them....not so great now when you can't sell them because nobody wants to buy your illusion of top shelf for more than a better lb sitting next to it for less money. You continue to think you know best while you sit on mommy's computer speculating, the rest of us will be out there actually doing what we talk about.
There is a reason greenhouse deps go for less than indoor is because it costs less to produce, and to be honest , if you had any legit frame of reference you would know that right now in the summer, deps and ins go for a very similar price. Actually, we pass deps as ins all the time because they are that good.
See you can keep ranting and raving about ins being better, that's great, problem is, nobody wants them....not so great now when you can't sell them because nobody wants to buy your illusion of top shelf for more than a better lb sitting next to it for less money. You continue to think you know best while you sit on mommy's computer speculating, the rest of us will be out there actually doing what we talk about.
WA limits the number of producers on the basis of whim by the Liquor Board, creating a license to steal, basically. They insure profitability among license holders on the basis of limited supply. In CO, A64 demands that applicants who meet the requirements be issued licenses, insuring over supply at some point.
That means price competition of the ruthless variety wrt mid grade. In that scenario, high overhead & thin capitalization will eat you alive. If you need $1500/lb to show a profit & the going price is $1400, you're going down. Rent, electricity, security & labor costs don't go away when your margin disappears. They eat you alive.
I wouldn't go into the CO retail MJ growing biz with my own money, nor with other people's money unless I was planning on stealing it in the first place. Hot money & hucksterism are natural companions, if only for a short while.
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Colorado has a minimum price point for wholesale lbs of ~1850 for tax purposes. The state actually just did a market evaluation and come to realize they have over taxed and are now being undercut by their own licensed medical and black markets. That should become interesting when they lower tax to increase demand and overall tax revenue to the state, but with their tiny population, and once other states legalize and their tourism is gone, that market is gonna collapse like an LA freeway overpass in a 9.0 earthquake...
SirStynkalot
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Yeah Jhnnn, you got it. The LCB isn't protecting growers, only retailers. They're tossing us into a feeding frenzy. I probably wouldn't have gotten in the growing side if I knew up front what I know now. Woulda just paid off 10 of my friends to fill out retail license applications.
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CO tourism doesn't depend on the pot trade. I doubt that pot tourism is the big deal it's painted to be, anyway. It's just something else for tourists to do while they're here skiing, hiking, hunting, fishing, sightseeing, going to conventions, whatever.
Obviously, tourists will buy pot while they're here, but it's not why they come here, or at least not many of them. It'd be different if we were talking about N Dakota.
That $1850 number came from a grower survey. State taxation authorities are smart to adjust it to fit market realities. A64 put state authorities in the position where they had to go along with it, and they have in an honest way.
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I've spent a lot of time in co and have a lot of friends there, obviously people will always come to ski and other recreation but right now, going from shop to shop in the Denver area is mostly out of staters who came just for legal weed, just spent 3 days there didn't meet one local but met 10 people from out of state all there to buy cannabis.
I understand there is extra cost, but that's not entirely the reason the price is higher. It's still very cheap to grow weed indoors. Let's say you get an outdoor harvest at $1/oz for operating cost. You get an indoor harvest at $20/oz. $16/lb for the outdoor comes to a profit of $984 when you sell it for a $1,000/lb. You sell the indoor for $3,000 at an operating cost of $320/lb and a profit of $2,680....................A little 2nd grade math just proved that you're full of it.
Yeah, but isn't that because there is a shortage of ins during that time?
Actually, there are people that want them. People who want the best bud want them because that bud is better than your sun grown weed. Your sun grown will never satisfy people like me who want the best. It's a very small percentage of the market, but it's a percentage that will remain there no matter how long this industry exist.
I've grown indoors for about 6 years. I was busted with 120 plants a few years back. I'll have to tell my probation officer and the judge that I was just "speculating" on how to grow weed. They'll get a kick out of that. lulz
lulz. I haven't repeated myself as much as Jhnnnn. That guy has been on playback in a few different threads.
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monsoon
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"Pot tourism" here in Colorado = Dumbfucks with no connections elsewhere flooding in to buy crap weed at ridiculous prices. Other than that funny-as-fuck stupid shit...there is no visible "pot tourism" here.
Funny how a bunch of us have the same cuts (sent to us FROM Cali) that some of the Cali growers are growing do...yet when those cuts are sent through the mail to CO...those same cuts magically can't produce 'top shelf" buds. Go figure.
Funny how a bunch of us have the same cuts (sent to us FROM Cali) that some of the Cali growers are growing do...yet when those cuts are sent through the mail to CO...those same cuts magically can't produce 'top shelf" buds. Go figure.
Seriously? CO pot tourism is enormous. It's amazing how many I know in my state that have taken a trip there, or are planning a trip there for the legal weed. I'm not talking about weed smokers, either. I'm talking about parents of weed smokers I know who don't smoke weed, but are more than willing to do it in a legal setting. Your state is banking off of weed tourism right now. It will continue to do that for at least a decade I would think. Legalization isn't happening fast enough to slow it down any time soon.
Up your CO2 levels. CO has thin air with lower C02 levels than the pollution filled, sea level valleys of California. lulz
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Wow, I can not believe what I'm reading here. You literally must be the dumbest kid I have ever seen on the forums lulz.
Clearly, you have a grudge against California, most likely cause your ' connect' could only get shitty Cali outs for you to smoke for so long you ended up getting butt hurt over it lulz. Btw, I'm originally from Texas too.
You are not a grower. Probly never even popped a single seed. The biggest evidence of this is your claims in the first paragraph where you claim to be able to grow outdoor pound for 16 dollars wtf?? You can't even buy the smart pot for 16 bucks let alone the dirt to fill it, nutrients and the dozens of other expenses that come with doing an actual grow, something you would know nothing about. Your math is so far off it's not even funny, what you think it's practically free to grow??? You do know that electricity cost most growers here 3000 per month?? That's what your paying for with ins...looks like someone needs to go back to second grade and learn math again...math was always my strong suit, calculus, statistics, trigonometry, ya know real math...
Like I said before, if you like ins that's fine, you just never seen good deps, that much is obvious, and there is literally tons of shitty outdoor, but just because you never see the good ones doesn't mean they don't exist, it means they stay in state and go to LA where people pay top dollar. See, you really do know nothing about what you're talking about, I can keep disproving you with actual fact and first hand knowledge time and time again, so if you feel like continuing to make a fool of yourself in public be my guest....
SirStynkalot
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You're just farting in the wind, z-ro. I wish they'd bring back the down rep button. But hey, all this is getting his post count up. Posting makes you legit, right? Don't take it from me, I have less than 200 legitimacy points. Still not sure how it works yet. 
I've seen one or two who were worse but they're hard to come by. It's always a treat. I remember one guy who bought a chiller for his handmade 5 gallon single site RDWC unit.
I've seen one or two who were worse but they're hard to come by. It's always a treat. I remember one guy who bought a chiller for his handmade 5 gallon single site RDWC unit.
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For the love of God...do something. : )
What are you talking about? I never had a connect with outdoor weed, because I don't smoke mid-grade.
It doesn't matter if my numbers are off. The point I made is even more legitimate if I'm underestimating the expense. You do understand that, don't you? You went on a rant without comprehending what you were saying. You just provided evidence that backs up my argument. THANK YOU!
Wait a minute. You already linked me to the "good ones" buddy. And, it was mid-grade. You told me to look at Fisher's thread. I did and I'm even more convinced top shelf outdoor is mid-grade. So...
ElusiveQuark
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The indoor vs. outdoor argument is a little tired, no? Real potency comes from growing underwater, true Hydro.
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