Vintage Colombian

[ThaiBliss]

That's right, Christie was the one. I never thought Bush would get a second term, so... anything is possible.

The tide is still going the correct way for the moment, I hope it keeps up. I want to see people thinking it is worthwhile to try the strains of old again, like the many Colombian varieties.

 

[red rider]

Core objective: Colombia

Genetics: Collected Non-hybridized Colombian narrow leaf drug strains.

Cultivation: Selected clones grown outdoor 2,000+ meters in central Colombia.

Product: Selected seedless flowers semi traditionally fermented into premium smoking ganja, an improved version the finest Colombian exports of yesterday.


red rider

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Core objective: Colombia

Genetics: Collected Non-hybridized Colombian narrow leaf drug strains.

Cultivation: Selected clones grown outdoor 2,000+ meters in central Colombia.

Product: Selected seedless flowers semi traditionally fermented into premium smoking ganja, an improved version the finest Colombian exports of yesterday.


red rider

Cant wait till it becomes legal n u can ship me some!

I am just the age where ive heard all the stories of these legendary tropical import sativas but never really experienced any of them.

For now, ill go smoke some of dj's hybrid of the old chocolate thai.

 

[red rider]

Cant wait till it becomes legal n u can ship me some!

I am just the age where ive heard all the stories of these legendary tropical import sativas but never really experienced any of them.

For now, ill go smoke some of dj's hybrid of the old chocolate thai.

Trust me I can't wait till it's legal either so you can ship me some of your old chocolate Thai, that just sounds good. It's going to be a dream come true for us all.

red rider

 

[red rider]

Crippy stuff

Crippy stuff

It’s funny how we fall into comfort zones, and that’s what’s happened with my buddy George. I’m so lazy that instead of exploring more I just call George or he calls me. I just take George’s word for it that what he has is the best and maybe it is indeed the best George can obtain at the moment. Anyway my new friends Carlos and the American guy seem to have better connections as the bud Ray and I obtained from them is on a much better level than George’s. We smoked some of the young gringo’s homegrown but we bought I guess 500 gm of some top shelf crippy. At first I thought we were buying the homegrown.

This crippy is from the Cauca valley from unknown genetics but obviously an excellent hybrid. It came in a “block” chunk that was compressed but not crushed, the buds dense, hard and smothered in trichs. It was an odd form to me and really nice with no seeds or stems to clean. The smell and taste are absolutely delicious with a green Ivory soap flavor and a sharp bite of expansion in the hit. The smell and taste do not denote the power of this stuff, it hits hard and fast and just keeps pounding at your head. Scary euphoric rocket assent that explodes into pure pleasure in both the mind and body.

Can be motivational but not really clear or focused, smoking all day is unavoidable giving way to a fitful night’s sleep and a crusty delightful weed hangover. Overall maybe the best crippy this year.

This is the last crippy from George and is not bad at all till compared to the Cali crippy above. This crippy is not compressed and came to me as lose buds. The color is rich golden red and covered in golden trich’s. The smell is like spicy incense that follows through to the taste, the hit is smooth with no expansion, the aftertaste is incredible sandalwood hashish. It has a slow building assent that peaks rather modestly to a smooth, rich, flowing effect.

It’s very nice but not over whelming and to be honest I thought it was quite potent until I hit the Cali crippy a couple weeks later. The taste and smell make this crippy “unique” but it’s only half as potent as it should be.

red rider

 

[red rider]

This happened not too far from where I work and freaked everybody out.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/2-bombings-wound-8-people-colombias-capital-police-say

red rider

 

[MDfinest]

Don't get me wrong I agree that high mountain grown Cannabis seems to have special effects, I am wondering why?
To me it is not as you felt that high altitude creates a more complex cannabinoid profile. That is for sure. Unless you feel that Cannabis has the ability to produce different Cannabinoids then its genes will allow? I have tested many clones Cannabinoid profiles grown at both high and low level altitudes, some were high mountain Colombian even, the Cannabinoid amounts produced at high and low were slightly different, the profiles and Cannabinoids present did not alter.
Can you list a single different Cannabinoid found in high mountain grown Cannabis? If not why do you presume that different Cannabinoids are is the reason?
That and only THC gets you high, CBN will get you a bit loaded but not high like you want, CBD does not get you higher, it does modulate THC by delaying onset, reducing peak experiences, and making it last longer, not what I want. THCV & CBC have some of the same effects as CBD, they do not get you high they do modulate
THC much as CBD.
I have never once tried any Cannabinoid besides THC that got me high, I have tried all of the top 10-20 Cannabinoids found in Cannabis, I had 100% pure samples to try with colleagues and only THC gets you high, for sure.
Do you know of any Cannabinoids besides THC that get you high? I do not.
And most Thai and Colombian analyzed had only THC with very very little to none of the other Cannabinoids.
I am not saying my explanation I posted in the #481 is proven, it is what I think now after many years trying to answer the same question, with the added knowledge from years of research and Cannabinoid analysis. That and the knowledge that Cannabinoid expression is controlled by genetics, you can't make a Cannabis plant produce new different Cannabinoids, I have never seen it, never heard of it, never read anything that supports that idea.

It is pretty simple to take the same clone that does what you think, make more complex Cannabinoids at high altitude, and grow it at high altitude and sea level and check the Cannabinoid profiles when done. I have done it many times but I am happy to do the same for you, a GC analysis only needs a 1/4 gram or less of a sample.
If you are wrong I think you want to know? If you are right I will certainly admit you were.

I am doing this in the spirit of helping you understand what it is that makes better Cannabis, I love your photos and the varieties you talk about. Thai and Colombian have been my favorites for 40 years, many that I collected or grew myself.
-SamS

Don't mean to resurrect such an old post, but this topic is so interesting to me because I'm very sure that the most subtle differences in environment, OVER TIME, can produce different results.

Also, if environment is 2nd to genetics why do we even bother trying to control environment so much. They are equally important.

Even though you need to use clones to ensure that it is the environment that is indeed changing the cannabinoid profile, if any changes are observed, maybe using seed and doing it over some seasons may produce different results. I'm guessing seed interacts with the environment over time different than a clone would. Allow the plants at different altitudes to go to seed and continue to plant that progeny in the same environment. I'm sure after some seasons you would see a major difference in the two.

You won't see much difference with clones in different environments I'm guessing. Not as much as you would see with seed. It wouldn't be as scientific because you can't really assure that it isn't something in the seed that causes the changes, but it would be interesting to see.

 

[MDfinest]

Also, even though you didn't noticed any difference in chemotype between the low altitude and high altitude clones... were there any differences at all that could be noted?

 

[Donn]

Couple of observations.

- If cannabis really produces the same cannabinoid entourage, in the exact same proportions, under whatever growing conditions, then this might need more documentation, because it's a surprising assertion that seems to contradict people's experience.

- The term "complex cannabinoid profile" was unfortunate because it seems to have been misleading. I assume it didn't mean extra, novel cannabinoids, just a change in proportions, and even if it's really less complex the pharmacological effect is what counts.

- If high altitude affects the plant over generations, this would either be through selection, Larmarckian evolution (which I think is still out of fashion in science circles), or some other effect that I suppose would be very interesting.

- There's too much variation in effects, between one cannabis flower and another, to say at this time that of all the cannabinoids, it's all about THC. I get that we're interested in terpenes, but to discount the effects of other cannabinoids and chalk it all up to these terpenes that are all over the environment in shrubberies, household cleaning products and stuff ... that seems a little premature. Trying a non-THC cannabinoid by itself is interesting, but not conclusive - terpenes will tend to fail that test too.

 

[_tessarecting]

Nothing is ever singular in this world. All is synergy.
One may be a lynchpin but not the sole.
Bioassy is a fraction of pharmacology.

 

[MDfinest]

Very surprising assertion. I'm just trying to figure this thing out because I've been wrecking my brain for years. I don't want to hijack Red's thread and make it a convo on chemotypes but it definitely is relative.

One note though, a change in proportions would change the cannabinoid profile, as that is what it is, a ratio.

Yea I agree with your last statement because it is the interaction between the cannabinoids that gives the effect, not any of them in isolation. Maybe if one tried THC and terpenoids, THC and CBD, CBD and terpenoids and many other combinations respectively, then we could draw some conclusions.

Last thing I don't get is if all drug varieties of Cannabis originate in India, and genetics are solely responsible for chemotype, then shouldn't India produce the most potent varieties and not places like Thai and Colombia.

Maybe the science hasn't reached the level to where we can draw any real conclusions. Right now it's still mostly anecdotal evidence, nostalgia, and intuition that drives me to think that we're missing something but whatever it is there is something there.

 

[armedoldhippy]

- There's too much variation in effects, between one cannabis flower and another, to say at this time that of all the cannabinoids, it's all about THC.

this says it all to me. "too much variation in effects" - i have seen a difference in the buzz not just between buds off the same plant, but between different parts of the same bud. pinch off parts of the same bud and smoking them in a small pipe, i get different flavors, highs, everything. JMHO

 

[Donn]

OK, but I guess the question is whether we can account for those effects without involving THCV, CBG, etc? I'm saying no, but only because we just can't account for those effects, yet. (I mean, there may be basement laboratories at Altria etc. where they can dial in the chemistry and hit whatever psychoactive effect any ever gets out of the plant, but that knowledge isn't available to us.) So it's too early to turn our backs on the other cannabinoids.

 

[iTarzan]

The crippy from Carlos was only 40 cents a gram?

 

[red rider]

Currently in Bogota

Currently in Bogota

The good news nobody I know was hurt by the bombs, however they went off right where many of my students work. The bad news is the peace deal with the FARC is deteriorating and that won’t help anybody. The drug trade is worth fighting over, if drugs were legal worldwide there would be nothing to fight over down here. I hope these clowns wake up and see that prohibition never works and find a realistic solution ASAP.

THC the “main” effective ingredient in cannabis, is the mainstream idea and I agree to a point. Unlike most other drugs cannabis is NOT a narcotic a stimulant, depressant or a psychedelic that can be accurately dosed for effect. There are too many variables within cannabis (individuals) and human (individuals) to in anyway standardize the effects it might have on the experiencer. Just like humans each cannabis plant is slightly different and even clones grown in different environments display variation in consumed effects. Then there’s the human condition element to consider, things like tolerance, mood and setting can alter the effect as well. THC alone is not what makes us high any more than gasoline is what makes a car move. Like gasoline without THC we don’t get high but having a lot of it does not guarantee an extraordinary or even good trip. It takes a combination of components to create a quality effect from cannabis and THC is only one of the few we currently know of.

Here’s some pictures of some of my Colombian SMG grown out on my patio in Bogota. In comparison to the current batch of yes .45 a gram high grade crippy. My sun baked flowers just didn’t have the density that the crippy has or the raw potency. But the effect is much clearer, more focused on whatever I’m endeavoring in at the moment with the gold.

And my gold’s effect seems brighten my mood as opposed to the stark seriousness of the crippy. Both have a very good taste and smell with the crippy being more pungent and lingering. The crippy burns me out quickly but the potency makes me keep coming back, never get tired of the gold.

More to come and thanks so much to all that contribute!

red rider

 

[Infinitesimal]

that SMG looks good man!

 

[cureious]

You asked for a story about Columbian Gold, well here's mine.

It was spring of '79 and my friend and I stopped by our dealer on the way to school for a morning joint. All he had left was 1 joint of Columbian Gold for twice the amount of a regular joint, $2. He had us over a barrel, so we forked over the $2 and were presented with a pinner. We were like what the fuck? He said trust me, you'll be happy. Fuck it, we got down the side roads and sparked it up. It tasted good, mild then expanded and we choked on it. We saved the roach for after school. By the time we got to school we were floating. Unfortunately that was the last time I ever had Columbian Gold. Yeah it was worth it! When we unrolled the roach to see what we fell in love with, it was a gold color, true to the name!

 

[red rider]

You asked for a story about Columbian Gold, well here's mine.

It was spring of '79 and my friend and I stopped by our dealer on the way to school for a morning joint. All he had left was 1 joint of Columbian Gold for twice the amount of a regular joint, $2. He had us over a barrel, so we forked over the $2 and were presented with a pinner. We were like what the fuck? He said trust me, you'll be happy. Fuck it, we got down the side roads and sparked it up. It tasted good, mild then expanded and we choked on it. We saved the roach for after school. By the time we got to school we were floating. Unfortunately that was the last time I ever had Columbian Gold. Yeah it was worth it! When we unrolled the roach to see what we fell in love with, it was a gold color, true to the name!

Great story but so sad. Man you only got one joint out of all that gold that made it up there. Did you ever get to try any other Colombians during that time. Like redbud or even wacky weed? Good stuff back then no doubt.

red rider

 

[red rider]

Vintage

Vintage

Yes indeed there was some great Colombian in the past. However I feel the future Colombian will blow it away.

Premium high altitude Colombian gold 2007

red rider

 

[cureious]

Columbian Gold was only available in my area then, and that was the last time anyone had it. Panama Red dried up earlier at the tail end of 78 summer. I had ThaiStick in the summer of 79( for real Thai Bud tied to the Thai stick with twine from the plant)but back to the Columbian.

The Only Columbian we could get after the Gold disappeared was Columbian Mud - tasted like skunk cabbage mixed in mud and 5h1t but potent like the Green; Regular Columbian, very good weed but not as great as Gold; Columbian Green - better than the regular Columbian but still can't compare to the Gold;

Although we bought some Columbian Red, we were in the middle of the Paraquat scare the US was conducting in other countries - summer of 79 I think. So were on top of the cliffs and we each took 1 hit and it tasted like chemicals so we literally dumped it in the woods and tried to track the guy down, but never saw him again.

The Columbian faded away to just regular weed no name shtuff that became the norm. Occasionally Skunk would surface for short bursts