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red rider

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Terpenes

Terpenes

Let’s talk about terpenes for a moment. I do notice a difference in terpenes from high altitude grown cannabis, however it is very subtle. Colombian cannabis has always had a very distinct set of terpenes grown at high or low elevations. These unique Colombian terpenes seem to be a little more pronounced in certain high altitude grown strains.


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Pure Colombian Gold mother


The what I like to call the Afghan terpene is almost at the other end of the scale to me compared to the Colombian terpene.


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Pure Colombian Gold Flower


The Afghan is very distinct and has a very old world oriental perfume quality that denotes the classic WLD hashish strain.


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SMG X Afghan


I love it, the very smell of Afghan terpenes promises euphoric intoxication.


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SMG X AFGHAN Flowers


I found this terpene in all the imported seeds strains I grew out down/up here. I found it in various degrees in Afghan, White Rhino, Killa Queen, White Skunk, Dream Goddess, Sour Jack, Snowcap and a few others I grew alongside my domestic Colombian strains. Some of the Colombians also had the Afghan terpene late in flower, I think those were obvious hybrids. But one Santa Marta Gold female that I grew had a really pungent set of terpenes that were more pronounced that others from the same seed. In flower on the plant when rubbed she gave off a strong Ivory soap, incense smell that was just intoxicating. It is similar to but not exactly the same as fine Blond Lebanese hashish but stronger. This plant also had the unique high altitude effect that originated in the seeded sample it came from. The SMG plant had an excellent terpene profile and a soaring Colombian effect but unlike the sample the seed came from my Sinsemilla plant was not very potent. So I had a male Nirvana Afghan and pollenated a branch of the SMG female and made a few hybrid seeds to experiment with. I grew them out and sample a few of the females. I created a whole different plant that was a balanced mix of both parents. The new plants grew fast and strong, shorter and stouter than the mother and of course flowers finishing much faster. The Afghan did add density to the flowers but not much. What really changed was the terpene profile, it really mixed the two very different terpenes and made a new one that was incredible. She mixed the creamy Afghan hash flavor perfectly with the sandy incense soap flavor. Also it had more terpenes, much stronger, overwhelming when trimming but calmed down and deepened with a cure. The effect also was much more pronounced but heavier and somewhat dull compared to the mother plant. The Afghan really increased the terpenes and potency but really left it’s mark.


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SMG X AFGHAN Bud

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"The Afghan really increased the terpenes and potency but really left it’s mark."

understatement of the millennia :biggrin:.

Thanks Red
 

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The effect also was much more pronounced but heavier and somewhat dull compared to the mother plant. The Afghan really increased the terpenes and potency but really left it’s mark.

SMG X AFGHAN Bud

red rider

"understatement of the millennia
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Hahahahahahaha!

I've had a couple of good laughs today from posters today. Thanks Pinkus.

Your descriptions of terpenes just makes me want to post about a Jamaican I just got done cutting back. It supports Red's descriptions of terpene types. I have been trying to get a female Jamaican to flower. The first two I grew were males, one hermaphrodite, and one solidly male. I kept them both because I have not grown such a pure Sativa looking plant in a long time, and I want to preserve the genetics. The third one I grew is also solidly male. Now I want to cull the hermaphrodite since I have some male genetic variety assured. The problem is, I'm not positive which of the first two males were the hemie one. I'm flowering both again to make absolutely certain. One of them, the one I think is the hermie, is so dammed pungent with incense smell it is incredible. It does not seem soapy to me, more like a nasty medicine background note. The incense is powerfully dominant. I swear I feel a soaring high just from the smell. It is intense. I hope I find a female like that one.

Sam - Sorry, it will be at least another 9 months minimum before I can provide anything for genetic studies.

Here is the point: I think genetic studies will find mixes in Colombia. I think Jamaican (India) similarities will be found, as well as Mexican (India, Indonesian, Thai, Lebanese etc.) as well as possibly African.

The incense trait runs strong through these Colombian, Jamaican, and S.E. Asians.

ThaiBliss
 

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My introduction to Afghanica

My introduction to Afghanica

My first real experience with cannabis was very low quality Mexican brick and for the first few years that’s all I knew. Then the summer of 76 I went up to Montreal with my folks, mums dad (Papa) lived there along with more of her family. I really loved going up there and seeing the family and friends I had made over the years. On this trip I brought some weed with me for the first time and turned my Canadian cousin on to it. Even though mums family was English and Scottish they all lived right in the middle of French Montreal, later they all moved out to Calgary. Anyway my very proper British grandfather and I had a great relationship and I loved hanging out with him. He was a merchant marine during WWII and had salty stories from the war. This summer even though I was like 14 my mother let me drink some beer with everyone, this is a family of heavy drinkers. The culture of hard drinking hard working and only excessive tobacco smoking was acceptable. I never thought any of them (my parents included) were alcoholics, I thought that’s how you lived life, work hard, drink hard. So one afternoon I’m sitting with Papa drinking a couple Molsens and we are talking about everything. The beer making me bold I asked Papa out right if he ever smoked Mj. He started telling me a story about a voyage to the Caribbean in the early 50s (before he met grandma). He said he wound up in New Orleans and tried it in a jazz club there but he was so drunk he didn’t feel anything. Everyone was gone and it was just Papa and I sitting at his kitchen table on a beautiful warm Montreal afternoon (summer), windows open. I just came out and asked Papa if he would like to try it again and to my surprise he said why not. I whipped out my bag of seeds and stems and rolled I big fat joint for us to burn. Thinking I knew more than he did about cannabis I told him he should be very careful because Texas weed was super potent and he might freak out. Papa said he would take his chances and fired up the joint. It really wasn’t very good weed even back then but I caught one hell of a buzz off it mixed with the beer. Papa not so much, he said it was too “green” and not fully mature but enjoyed the buzz. That afternoon was great and I smoked two more joints, Papa passed but was cool with me smoking. The rest of the family came home and another party started but I crashed out for the night. Papa never said another word about weed but before we returned to Texas I was alone in Papa’s house and was in the kitchen finding something to eat. I opened a drawer a little too fast and pulled it all the way out. In the very back of the drawer was a match box and a tiny wooden pipe. I smelled the pipe and couldn’t believe it, it was like perfume but had the unmistakable fragrance of cannabis. The match box contained a ball of black hash, I had never seen it before but I absolutely loved the smell. I pulled a piece off and put it in the tiny pipe and took a deep hit. The rich smoke was strong but didn’t chock me out like the Mex weed did. I couldn’t believe the effect, so much different than the passenger type high the Mexican provided. This black stuff really got you stoned. One hit and I was fried, it was a big piece and surly Papa wouldn’t mind me cutting off a bit. So I cut the piece of hash in two and kept one putting the other back. That was the best hash I have ever had to this day and I associate the Afghan terpene with that first effect. The reality for me is, I do like the Afghan Terpene but I’ve found that it is not an indication of high quality, in fact in most cases it can be an indication of a boring effect.

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Where in tejas were you? I'm loving hillcountry and have since I laid eyes on it 30 years ago. Lots of lovely columbian women working in Austin :shooty:
 

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Where in tejas were you? I'm loving hillcountry and have since I laid eyes on it 30 years ago. Lots of lovely columbian women working in Austin :shooty:

Hey pinkus, I grew up around DFW the mid-city's HEB and out towards the northwest end of Grapevine lake. I love Texas and hated moving from there back in 85. I've been to many places in Texas but I've never been to the hill country. I've heard it is very nice living there and really cool people in the area. The valley up from South Padre is also a really cool place and of course the coast.
I don't know about Colombian women in Texas now days but I tell you Bogota is a great place for girl watching. I can walk outside my house without bumping into a beautiful woman, just everywhere you go. It's great! (except when I'm with the wife then she's the only beautiful woman I see). Here it's not so much there's beautiful women, it's there's so many of them.

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Speaking of the devil (The Cali Crippa)

Speaking of the devil (The Cali Crippa)

I needed to re-up my stash this morning so I called up my buddy and set up a time to meet. Since last December he was getting some beautiful seedless Gold, some batches extremely potent. All the Gold seems to be pure Colombian, the smell, the effect all are uniquely Colombian. I get about ten grams every two weeks from this guy and have been since 03. I know him real well and a few years ago he stopped drinking saving his life. He re married I guess about five years ago and the new wife got him off the booze and blow. He really turned his life around and now he doesn’t even smoke weed. He has a little Colombian indian souvenir type shop down in the old part of the city and still has his old connections down there. I’ve had long conversations with this guy about the weed in Colombia and he has in the past got some really nice regional grass for me. So he quit smoking but has no problem hooking me up with the best around but he’s not in any way a dealer.
Anyway I call him up and go to meet him around noon and we meet at a little coffee shop by my house. The wife doesn’t want him over to the house which I understand but hate quick transactions on the street. I meet up with him and he’s wearing shades, I didn’t think nothing of it but it’s cloudy out today. We sit down at a table and order up a couple coffees and when the girl leaves he gets this slap happy grin on his face and hands me the bag.
Then I smell it, the unmistakable “funk” of Afghani. No RKS but I could defiantly catch a whiff when he slide it across the table. He says it’s from Cali, Cali Crippa and he is high as a kite. Dude took off his shades and I’ve never seen this guy’s eyes so bloodshot, even during his drinking days. So we drink the coffee and bullshit when he says got to run and takes off till next time. I get up and walk over to pay for the coffees and I think I can smell the weed in my pocket.
I cruise on back to the house where the wife has an English student. I keep thinking I can smell the weed but I think it’s just my imagination. I put the weed up in a back room and say goodbye to the student as the wife let them out. When she came back she said the house reeked of weed and me too. I hadn’t even burned any yet. So anyway I’ve got some Cali Crippa, where exactly it’s grow in Cali is a mystery, what it is not so much. I haven’t really had a chance to look closely at it but the smell and effect tell the whole tale. It’s much greener that the Gold I was getting and 100% more pungent but with the undeniably Afghan terpene. This loud Afghan terpene carries through to the taste with a classic clinging greasiness that lingers in the air and on the tongue. The effect is strong, hard hitting pure power, there’s no foreplay with this stuff. Very rich deep felt euphoria that seems to settle in the eyelids and bones. Really super nice sensation that ends like floating to earth on a pillow. This Crippa is very different that even the normal Bogota Crippy, the potency is off the chart for a first test. However experience tells me I’ll build up a quick tolerance to this one.
This Crippa is a perfect example of what’s going on here in Colombia. The Colombians seem to love it, so much even George my Colombian buddy fell off the wagon for a taste. I must say I do like it but only because I haven’t had it for a while and soon I’ll be wanting the non-Afghan again. I’ll put up some pics ASAP.

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sounds like your buddy passed you some Og kush, lately when I'm smoking this cookie bag seed I found it reminds me of some of the best narcotic type columbian from my teen years.

incense, cookies, and OG kush dominate her smells, I'm taking it to 77 days now and the extra week is really adding the funk.

I'd love to come down there with some bay area genetics and smoke you and your buds out and sample your stash.

let's see pics of this crippy you copped!

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Smoke out!

Smoke out!

Wow that is some beautiful flower pictures, although I’ve never smoked in the bay area I can imagine the fine bud from there.
As far as coming down here and smoking us out, you know that Finca number one is currently set up as a bed n breakfast type lodge. My very good Colombian friends that own it have been setting the finca up as a place for guest to relax in this refreshing climate.

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They have a new outdoor Jacuzzi with bar and killer sound system. Outdoor kitchen that is huge and they have a full bar with dancefloor and lighting. A big fire pit and grill for BBQs and just burning a bonfire.

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Sleeping accommodations for no more than ten comfortably. Best yet the finca is less than an hour away from El Dorado international airport. So you leave the USA at 7AM and by 4PM you’re sitting on the deck looking down over the most beautiful highland tropical valley you can imagine.

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This finca is cannabis friendly and has plants live Colombian cannabis plants growing year round (not mine yet). Bring yours but there’s literality hundreds of local verities to choose from once here.

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Just one hit will bring back a flood of youthful memories, with that unforgettable rich Colombian aroma.

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The finca owners are really onboard with cannabis tourism and want to expand on this industry but not so much for profit. They’re really laid back and just want visitors to come to Colombia and have the best time of their lives.
We invite you to Colombia!


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Cali Crippa Update

Cali Crippa Update

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I’ve been with the Crippa for a few days now and as expected the knock out effect is dissipating with regular use. I’ve also built up a tolerance to the terpenes and their not as loud as in the beginning, I still smell them but not as strong.


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Now it just taste like weed no real pronounced hash flavor. The effect is a downer but not sleepy more like an immobilizer that makes me want to stay in one position. Still has a good duration of about an hour and a half and its clean finishing.


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This is quality cannabis but much more medical than recreational. I mean for pain or something that requires you to be immobilized, this Crippa is the ticket. For motivated thought production this Crippa is no good, for making you happy it works very well.


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All in all I like it and would like to keep it around when available but I’m not interested in growing it.


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Well maybe a couple plants but my interest is in the non-Afghan contaminated strains.


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Yeah, that sounds like nice kush but you have not mentioned what the buds smell like when you crush them. Any fuel smells or cleaning products?
 

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No fuel or cleaning smells, just kind of a black Afghan hash aroma. Not as strong as it was the other day.
 

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bummer, not the OG, just the kush.

i love that type before bed. hope you get to sample OG sometime, it's one in a million.
 

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Crippa Type weed

Crippa Type weed

Well I’ll tell you I’ve never had California Kush but I can imagine it’s much better than this or most Crippa. Crippa/Crippy I’ve come to learn is a generic name for a “type” of cannabis here not a particular strain. Crippy is the same around the world and I’ll bet you can find it in any major city.


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It has a million other names but basically it’s of higher aesthetic (?) effects. Pretty seedless dense flowers that most times are predominantly Afghan or very close hybrids. This particular sample was probably mass produced like in the strain hunter’s video, for export and domestic consumers. This sample is an exceptional example of imported genetics in Colombia, this is the kind of weed the world thinks it needs. And we do. But this is not what I want to experience as often as I consume, yeah at night for a sleeping aid or pain relief.


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This “type” of cannabis affects me like a medicine and makes me feel better in a healing way, I like it. But I really like to get high too and this Crippa doesn’t get me high. It’s potent as hell and there’s no denying its effect but it’s not what I consider being high. For me the euphoria is too intense and kind of freezes my movements and thought process. Seems like I could sit for hours staring into space happy as the cat in the hat on this stuff. The effect to me is in a word boring for “daytime” use.


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Now this high altitude grown Gold, has absolutely no Afghan detectable terpenes or effects. This also calms and relaxes me but doesn’t chain me down or makes me reclusive. The Gold isn’t as potent as the Cali Crippa but its close and a much more productive experience overall. The Gold terpenes are pronounced and distinctly Colombian with an incense like overtone that’s carries thought in the taste. The effect is “uplifting” exciting and exhilarating not overwhelmingly boring and flat.


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The redbud too had not even a hint of Afghan in it but still has a narcotic type high. Not to be confused with the Afghani stone in anyway. The red has a soaring effect that provokes deep meditative thinking, it heals you in a different way. I would say this redbud is comparable in potency to the Cali Crippa but again a whole different set of terpenes. The reds terpenes are pronounced like fine hashish but not black hashish (Afghan/Paki) but spicy like the finest red Lebanese. Not as medicinal as the Afghan but deliciously potent all the same.


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ool place and of course the coast.
I don't know about Colombian women in Texas now days but I tell you Bogota is a great place for girl watching. I can walk outside my house without bumping into a beautiful woman, just everywhere you go. It's great! (except when I'm with the wife then she's the only beautiful woman I see). Here it's not so much there's beautiful women, it's there's so many of them.

red

all I really need to say about beautiful women in Austin: UT :biggrin:
 
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Great thread. I have a question about Punto Rojo. Is anything that has that red look to it referred to as PR, or does it have to be the specific highland strain?
 

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God blessed Texas

God blessed Texas

all I really need to say about beautiful women in Austin: UT :biggrin:

I can only imagine the fine young ladies of UTA, but if you can for a moment imagine a week in Medellin with four of the most beautiful paisa women showing you the sights around the city. I don’t want to see more. Just kidding.
 

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The last Rojo

The last Rojo

Great thread. I have a question about Punto Rojo. Is anything that has that red look to it referred to as PR, or does it have to be the specific highland strain?


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Colombian Punto Rojo 2005 Bogota

The Punto Rojo is a sad story but to answer your question, no it is not red or other “dark” Colombians. Also I’ve never grew one out so I only know the domestic Punto Rojo I bought here and a few batches that made it up north a few decades ago. The Punto Rojo I know was always “pressed” a bit but fresh and still moist fully seeded. The color always stands out from other Colombians because it’s bright green with dark red hairs streaking though it. No overwhelming smell but broken up bud have a deep musty cedar type smell, not an incense soap smell like the Gold. The effect though is what makes this my favorite ride. It’s strong and defiantly takes over the senses with even a small dose. I feel it a little bit on the first hit, that exhilarating anticipation of what’s to come. As it rolls up on you the euphoria shades a humorous light on everything and a perma grin stays on your face till it hurts. It’s a deep rich experience that invites you to explore and investigate bringing renewed interest in failed projects. Unfortunately the last time I had the Punto Rojo was over ten years ago and now like so many other strains seems to have even been erased from the Colombian vocabulary. Even as good as Punto Rojo is now it’s not popular here. I’m sure somebody is still cultivating it here but it doesn’t make to me in Bogota. I believe Punto Rojo to be a highland strain. No Rojo for the rider in a long time.

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Hey Red Rider, you the man! Excellent information, travel log and entertainment in this thread.

kaiki ( Charlie Garcia ) notes below on his strain hunting trip that resulted in Cannabiogen's release of Punto Rojo seeds.

"It took more than 2 years to select some non hermi plants representative of Punto Rojo from 3 different places and ages, from highland purple to green phenos, from central/south to northern Sta Marta Punto Rojos.
Punto Rojo is very hard to obtain nowdays non hybridated, it was one of best representative Colombians very well known in spanish spoken countries if compared with Colombian Reds, quicker lines, and better known for others
Thx Pablo for growing them, were untested yet. They are back in your country where it should express like home, how not So glad they are working fine in first instance in sex department. Enjoy and try and save seeds for future.
Lets us know how they perform
Cuidate y gracias por el post pana
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Cannabiogen Club, chat site for Cannabiogen has a significant amount of pictures from growers of Punto Rojo. In the late flowering stage, one variety is red / magenta all over, one variety is the classic red point, others purple haze variety.

My next grow, if the Colombian Gods approve is - Punto Rojo x Punto Rojo f2 and Colombian Gold / C99 x Colombian C99 f2. I'll plant seeds when Colombians plant seeds and force flowering in late August and harvest "high and dry" when Colombians harvest around the end of December. Harvest high, dry, and 85 degrees Fahrenheit, something like that?

After, harvest we'll vacation in Kauai, Hawaii, or the Caribbean coast maybe, Aruba, Santa Marta or Barranquilla. At this stage of my life my idea of strain hunting is opening the crisper section of the refrigerator. My girlfriend is not into the scene, you know the story. We vacation in resorts, or rent small houses, and the garden island of Kauai is one of the the most beautiful places I've visited. I'd love to open the crisper section of the refrigerator next spring and discover some old school Hawaiian genetics.

I'll restrict growth in small containers during vegetation, and during vegetation plants will be outside most of the Colorado summer, moved inside under lights, natural light, and a small greenhouse in fall and indoors under red light in the winter/and indoors receiving natural light. My greenhouse/ huge cold frame is small and temperatures easily rise to over 100 degrees Fahrenheit, without venting on a sunny spring day with air temperatures of 45 degree Fahrenheit. I'll utilize the cold frame for late flowering. The plants will be small, but have similar age / maturity to plants grown in Colombia. Punto Rojo will be in early flower ~ 30 - 40 days flowering at the fall equinox in Colorado September 21 which unfortunately corresponds to the first frost date. Fall is gorgeous here,even with the early frost. Dry, very sunny and a wonderful red afternoon light, 100% sunny days often extend into early November.

Plants will be small, and grown in compliance with Colorado laws. I won't win any grow awards, but it will interesting -, if nothing else - to compare my current Highland Hmong Thai and Highland Guerrero x Blueberry to good ole homegrown Highland Colombian.

Maybe next time Hawaiian, did I mention that i like Hawaiian. I grew a 1974 Maui Wowie for years, I'd get my younger brother high on the resin glands from that Maui Wowie, and he'd ask is "LSD as strong as this stuff". <lol> He worked with a friend growing Oaxacan, in the middle of the USA, but even central USA homegrown Oaxacan grower stash was nothing to laugh at - no wait maybe it was - happy grin laugh your ass off, what happened to that kind of high?
 

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