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Most Pain Patients And Doctors Support Legalizing Medical Marijuana And Having Insurance Companies Cover The Cost, AMA Study Shows

A majority of patients with chronic pain and doctors who treat the condition support federally legalizing marijuana for medical use and having insurance companies cover the costs, according to a new federally funded study from the American Medical Association (AMA). Patients also widely support...

www.marijuanamoment.net

 

[armedoldhippy]

demonstrating a higher-than-average propensity for narcissistic and sociopathic personality types.

sounds like a POTUS candidate...

With a cannabis violation, there's no inherent violation of another's rights

my (former) next door neighbors teen son ran off a few years back. when found by police, he said "my mom smokes pot! i don't want to live with her..."(because she was mean and made him clean the house and do his homework ) and the officer talking to him said (in front of witnesses)" we don't care if she smokes pot as long as she feeds/clothes you and gets you to school. you don't know how damn lucky you are..." Tennessee is NOT a liberal place, but sometimes i wonder...

 

[moose eater]

sounds like a POTUS candidate...

my (former) next door neighbors teen son ran off a few years back. when found by police, he said "my mom smokes pot! i don't want to live with her..."(because she was mean and made him clean the house and do his homework ) and the officer talking to him said (in front of witnesses)" we don't care if she smokes pot as long as she feeds/clothes you and gets you to school. you don't know how damn lucky you are..." Tennessee is NOT a liberal place, but sometimes i wonder...

As an adolescent already engaged in some amount of activism, I had acquaintances and friends who the local (somewhat notoriously unruly) PD in SW Michigan had, on occasion, simply scattered their pot on the ground when found, sending them home.

Me, on the other hand, probably both due to the amounts I was sometimes caught with (of both larger quantities of pot and once or twice, other drugs like a quantity of hallucinogens) and due to my confrontational style in activism back then, (i.e. following a raid on a guy's trailer who supposedly had hashish and amphetamines, but only had antihistamines when the dust settled out, and when he 'escorted' the vice cops out of his trailer/home, tossing them out the front door, one Vice Detective Helsel, whirled around and put a home-loaded 9mm hollow-point slug or 2 through the guy's chest that was loaded so hot it went out the other wall behind where he was standing in his own trailer's open door, through both walls of the trailer next door to his, and bounced off the exterior near wall of the trailer next to that one), I was not afforded such outcomes of grace..

I believe I was about 15 going on 16 years old at that time, and I phoned their PD, asking them if they were aware that even under the Geneva Convention, use of hollow-point ammo was unlawful against a declared enemy of war, yet they were using them on the (apparently innocent) citizens they swore an oath to protect... who didn't have the dope they'd alleged, who they shot for simply telling their intrusive asses to get the fuck out.

Wyoming Michigan PD, sometimes referred to as 'The Wyoming Cowboys', who had a notably higher rate of 'accidental shootings' than average, nationally, per capita.

I knew a decent cop on their force who ended up acting as an informal Big Brother to me, a neighbor and 'friend' without the private non-profit's formal involvement.

But confronting them about their lunacy didn't gain any privileges.

The guy they shot in that case, by the way, lived. Helsel had placed a cigarette cellophane over his chest wound to keep the punctured lung from fully deflating, and the victim and his mother appeared on the news on camera at his hospital bed side, talking about the misbehavior by our 'protectors.'

 

[therevverend]

Tennessee is NOT a liberal place, but sometimes i wonder...

I don't believe that the majority of stoners are strongly liberal these days. The liberals may become a minority among stoners, soon, if they aren't already. Especially in rural areas and red states. A lot of it is the internet conspiracy theories, opposition to gun control, and the idea that Trump and the Republicans are the 'opposition party' now. Stoners tend to dislike authority and the Republicans, especially Trump, have done a good job of portraying the Democrats as lame authoritarians who want to control everybody's lives.

There is some truth to this, but the Republicans were and are the original lame authoritarians. Both parties have swung right, something that is missed with all the 'liberal' 'communist' 'Marxist' name calling. An example is how far the Democrats have gone to keep Bernie Sanders from getting anywhere in his presidential campaigns. Despite a huge level of support. Sanders winning is the greatest fear of the establishment Democrats.

During Trump's presidency he did nothing to push cannabis legalization, his AGs opposed it and his administration opposed it at many levels. One thing that hasn't changed is the vast majority of cops and DEA are Republicans and that's not going to change.

No matter the rhetoric the Republican's primary goal is to ensure that the wealthiest people in this country are able to hold onto their wealth and continue accumulating it regardless of whether this is good or bad for society. The top Democrats share the goal of maintaining their established power structure for as long as possible.

The idea that a massive change for the worse is about to happen if one party or the other wins the presidential election is unlikely. There are important issues at stake, health care, gun rights, abortion, cannabis legalization, and the maybe the biggest one, foreign policy. (You can forget about immigration; this country has always needed a steady influx of uneducated vulnerable labor that will work for less then fair wages and safe conditions at jobs very few Americans want to do) Dick Chaney backing Kamala is a huge red flag. He's a despicable man responsible for thousands of deaths but he is an American 'patriot'.

It's been clear for a long time that Trump poses a huge security risk for America and it's allies and is an asset to it's enemies. Cheney's endorsement does not bode well for the future of America's military and financial dominance if Trump wins.

This may please many liberals who dislike American hegemony but when a power vacuum appears there are always bloodthirsty opportunists who quickly fill the void. Trump has watched The Godfather too many times, also Saddam Hussein's favorite movie. His administration was a disaster for our intelligence networks across Europe, Asia, and Africa.

Guess I got away from cannabis legalization, I don't like election years. I still think we are closer to going to a doctor to get a prescription for a pharmacy then going to 7-11 to buy pre-rolls but it depends on the scheduling. A schedule 3 means you don't need a prescription but the pharmacist keeps the drugs in an area under their supervision. Self selection is possible but a pharmacist is available to inform the customer about the substance.

Schedule 2, which seems to be the most likely, is prescription only. I can't imagine it going unscheduled. I believe that would be the worst for the consumers and the growers because the cigarette companies will mass produce it and make it strong, cheap, and flavorless.

 

[Sweatloaf]

I don't believe that the majority of stoners are strongly liberal these days. The liberals may become a minority among stoners, soon, if they aren't already. Especially in rural areas and red states. A lot of it is the internet conspiracy theories, opposition to gun control, and the idea that Trump and the Republicans are the 'opposition party' now. Stoners tend to dislike authority and the Republicans, especially Trump, have done a good job of portraying the Democrats as lame authoritarians who want to control everybody's lives.

There is some truth to this, but the Republicans were and are the original lame authoritarians. Both parties have swung right, something that is missed with all the 'liberal' 'communist' 'Marxist' name calling. An example is how far the Democrats have gone to keep Bernie Sanders from getting anywhere in his presidential campaigns. Despite a huge level of support. Sanders winning is the greatest fear of the establishment Democrats.

During Trump's presidency he did nothing to push cannabis legalization, his AGs opposed it and his administration opposed it at many levels. One thing that hasn't changed is the vast majority of cops and DEA are Republicans and that's not going to change.

No matter the rhetoric the Republican's primary goal is to ensure that the wealthiest people in this country are able to hold onto their wealth and continue accumulating it regardless of whether this is good or bad for society. The top Democrats share the goal of maintaining their established power structure for as long as possible.

The idea that a massive change for the worse is about to happen if one party or the other wins the presidential election is unlikely. There are important issues at stake, health care, gun rights, abortion, cannabis legalization, and the maybe the biggest one, foreign policy. (You can forget about immigration; this country has always needed a steady influx of uneducated vulnerable labor that will work for less then fair wages and safe conditions at jobs very few Americans want to do) Dick Chaney backing Kamala is a huge red flag. He's a despicable man responsible for thousands of deaths but he is an American 'patriot'.

It's been clear for a long time that Trump poses a huge security risk for America and it's allies and is an asset to it's enemies. Cheney's endorsement does not bode well for the future of America's military and financial dominance if Trump wins.

This may please many liberals who dislike American hegemony but when a power vacuum appears there are always bloodthirsty opportunists who quickly fill the void. Trump has watched The Godfather too many times, also Saddam Hussein's favorite movie. His administration was a disaster for our intelligence networks across Europe, Asia, and Africa.

Guess I got away from cannabis legalization, I don't like election years. I still think we are closer to going to a doctor to get a prescription for a pharmacy then going to 7-11 to buy pre-rolls but it depends on the scheduling. A schedule 3 means you don't need a prescription but the pharmacist keeps the drugs in an area under their supervision. Self selection is possible but a pharmacist is available to inform the customer about the substance.

Schedule 2, which seems to be the most likely, is prescription only. I can't imagine it going unscheduled. I believe that would be the worst for the consumers and the growers because the cigarette companies will mass produce it and make it strong, cheap, and flavorless.

^ Very good and informative points. The only thing I'd add is that I'm pretty sure that Schedule III drugs do require a prescription (e.g. Tylenol with Codeine, Testosterone to name a few). I agree that if it moves to Schedule III, cannabis consumption in the U.S. will be largely controlled by big Pharm.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I agree that if it moves to Schedule III,-LEGAL- cannabis consumption in the U.S. will be largely controlled by big Pharm.

okay, now i can agree. LONG LIVE THE BLACK MARKET! do NOT bow down...

 

[mr.brunch]

Surely if they do go schedule 3 then at least it should kill most of the budget for raids and prosecutions as it would be a lower priority…
Anything that delivers less hassle to growers has got to be a good thing?

 

[armedoldhippy]

Anything that delivers less hassle to growers has got to be a good thing?

odd, but i haven't heard about any helicopter fly-overs here in a couple of years. fuel prices ? manpower shortages ? higher priorities ? i'm liking it, myself.

 

[moose eater]

odd, but i haven't heard about any helicopter fly-overs here in a couple of years. fuel prices ? manpower shortages ? higher priorities ? i'm liking it, myself.

There've been times here that raids on cannabis growers engaged in (unlicensed sales) have seen accelerated frequencies of raids since legalization in Alaska, though less often highlighted in the media. And I warned of this back when we legalized.

Before you were just a hippie dope grower they loved to hate, who typically didn't pay federal taxes on your crop.

Now you're a hippie dope grower they still like to hate, who's still not likely paying federal taxes on your crop, But now you're also taking revenues out of the State's pocket, and they seem to take that much more personally.

 

[Hammerhead]

Legal is for those selling with licenses or personal consumption at home growing 6 plants in Cali. If you sold some of your home grow that is illegal. Even with a reschedule 3 you could get raided if selling your homegrown weed.


Ea legal state has there own version. All are illegal.
Per Health and Safety Code 11359 HS, it is a crime for: anyone other than a licensed dispensary, to possess pot with the intent to sell it. Selling marijuana without a license (i.e., on the “black market”) violates Health and Safety Code 11360 HS.

 

[moose eater]

Legal is for those selling with licenses or personal consumption at home growing 6 plants in Cali. If you sold some of your home grow that is illegal. Even with a reschedule 3 you could get raided if selling your homegrown weed.


Ea legal state has there own version. All are illegal.
Per Health and Safety Code 11359 HS, it is a crime for: anyone other than a licensed dispensary, to possess pot with the intent to sell it. Selling marijuana without a license (i.e., on the “black market”) violates Health and Safety Code 11360 HS.

Yep, my point was that at times, after legalization in Alaska, raids on black market growers went UP, not down.

And the reason, as I elaborated above, is pretty clear. Money.

 

[Sweatloaf]

Legal is for those selling with licenses or personal consumption at home growing 6 plants in Cali. If you sold some of your home grow that is illegal. Even with a reschedule 3 you could get raided if selling your homegrown weed.


Ea legal state has there own version. All are illegal.
Per Health and Safety Code 11359 HS, it is a crime for: anyone other than a licensed dispensary, to possess pot with the intent to sell it. Selling marijuana without a license (i.e., on the “black market”) violates Health and Safety Code 11360 HS.

I've heard that the Minnesota state constitution has included wording that's been in effect for over a century, codifying the right of people to sell what they produce on their own land without a license. Historically this has included fruits and vegetables as well as eggs. Understandably there are Minnesota residents that feel strongly that they should be able to sell cannabis grown on their own land, without a license. It's a plant. It's produce. It's grown on their own land. How is it different exactly from selling veg grown on their own land?

I think there might even be a court case in effect asking for clarification or a ruling on the subject.

 

[Hammerhead]

I've heard that the Minnesota state constitution has included wording that's been in effect for over a century, codifying the right of people to sell what they produce on their own land without a license. Historically this has included fruits and vegetables as well as eggs. Understandably there are Minnesota residents that feel strongly that they should be able to sell cannabis grown on their own land, without a license. It's a plant. It's produce. It's grown on their own land. How is it different exactly from selling veg grown on their own land?

I think there might even be a court case in effect asking for clarification or a ruling on the subject.

It was easy to look up

Does the state constitution allow Minnesotans to sell homegrown weed?

Minnesotans likely won't see a recreational marijuana dispensary in their communities until early 2025. But some argue they can sell homegrown weed right now without a state license and well before retail sales regulated by the state, thanks to a provision in the Minnesota Constitution.

www.cbsnews.com

Gov. Tim Walz on Wednesday said he had not consulted with legal counsel on the issue, but said the law was not designed to allow such sales.

 

[armedoldhippy]

but said the law was not designed to allow such sales.

what they may have "designed" it for might not amount to a pile of cat shit depending on how they worded it. "mean what you say, say what you mean." it's damned hard to write/word a law without some smartass finding a loophole or unintended consequence buried in it somewhere...

 

[moose eater]

what they may have "designed" it for might not amount to a pile of cat shit depending on how they worded it. "mean what you say, say what you mean." it's damned hard to write/word a law without some smartass finding a loophole or unintended consequence buried in it somewhere...

They worded it exactly as Sweatloaf described; it's a statement of salability/marketability of produce one grows, and perhaps more broad than that, as well.

 

[Sweatloaf]

They worded it exactly as Sweatloaf described; it's a statement of salability/marketability of produce one grows, and perhaps more broad than that, as well.

I believe the constitutionally codified right to sell what you produce off of your land predated the prohibition of cannabis by many decades.

 

[moose eater]

I believe the constitutionally codified right to sell what you produce off of your land predated the prohibition of cannabis by many decades.

Walz and his type will argue 'spirit of the law', etc. From there it's up to the courts to demonstrate how politicized they are or aren't.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I believe the constitutionally codified right to sell what you produce off of your land predated the prohibition of cannabis by many decades.

this sounds like an open and shut no brainer actually... cool! hope courts don't twist themselves into dogknots trying to change the meaning of the words.

 

[moose eater]

this sounds like an open and shut no brainer actually... cool! hope courts don't twist themselves into dogknots trying to change the meaning of the words.

Always remember the 'hanging chads.'

And I personally kinda' liked Chad, too. Shame. Saw no real legit reason to hang him..

 

[armedoldhippy]

Always remember the 'hanging chads.'

never saw a way to misinterpret the hanging chads UNLESS there was another chad actually punched out on that part of the ballot. got a row of four, one's hanging by a whisker, nothing else touched...what is the controversy? seems obvious to me.