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:::::::USA Set to Reschedule Cannabis::::::: HHS Releases Recommendation Documents:::::::

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Whats going to happen is we are choosing to go with the 1961 Single Convention on Narcotics Treaty with only allows for medical cannabis.

Congress doesn't want to violate the Treaty by allowing adult-use legalized caannabis. They could though and likely be fine with the treaty because there are a number of nations that have legalized adult-use cannabis years ago such as Canada!

By allowing the Justice Department DEA to rule on the issue, they will likely stick to whats allowed in the treaty, and Congress will not have to look bad on the issue, I guess. What else is happening here?

Lets analyze these blood-sucking ticks of politics. :smoke:
 
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pipeline said:
Congress needs to hold the hearings on the issue
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those chickenshits don't want to touch that tarbaby. if they vote to legalize, the far-right religious wingnuts will hang them in effigy for years saying shit like "so and so wants your kids to die of an overdose, and is leading them into lives of depravity & addiction!" while the left will (rightfully) villify them for imprisoning them and seriously damaging their chances of succeeding in life RE jobs/schooling/voting etc. anyone out there have any serious doubts now about why LEO disproportionally stops/frisks/arrests Black people? one felony, "NO VOTING for you..." until we elect pols that are not afraid to let folks live their life the way they want instead of how others demand they do, nothing will change. too many politicians only care about getting re-elected. gotta keep your snout in the public trough, you know... :mad:
 
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How did the government establish proof to place cannabis in Schedule 1 CSA
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they didn't do that. they just decided that "well, everyone "knows" that it is addictive, and bad for youth". it makes them want to dance, listen to music we don't like, date folks of other races, and think for themselves instead of blindly accepting our version of reality as fact. :shucks: and nothing has changed in THEIR "thinking" ever since.
 
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but only cannabis is held to that unrealistic "standard". think of all the things which most of us do every single day of our lives... :rolleyes:
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Good point. Caffeine is a good example, as well as alcohol. Nicotine too. There are plenty of people who smoke a cigar a day. What about Fast Food? Are all of these other examples of chronic abuse?
 
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Good point. Caffeine is a good example, as well as alcohol. Nicotine too. There are plenty of people who smoke a cigar a day. What about Fast Food? Are all of these other examples chronic abuse?
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I once had a strong addiction to strawberry milkshakes made with real cream/ice cream, real strawberries, and real strawberry syrup. It was a real bitch of a habit to kick, but... thank God for Betty Ford.
 
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JD Vance Says ‘Bags Of Marijuana’ And Candy Laced With THC And Fentanyl Are Coming Across The Border, Blaming Biden-Harris Immigration Policy

Former President Donald Trump’s 2024 running mate, Sen. JD Vance (R-OH), is accusing Vice President Kamala Harris of failing to stop marijuana and fentanyl disguised as Nerds candy and other popular brands that appeal to children from coming across the border. At a Faith & Freedom Coalition...
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JD Vance Says ‘Bags Of Marijuana’ And Candy Laced With THC And Fentanyl Are Coming Across The Border, Blaming Biden-Harris Immigration Policy​

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Former President Donald Trump’s 2024 running mate, Sen. JD Vance (R-OH), is accusing Vice President Kamala Harris of failing to stop marijuana and fentanyl disguised as Nerds candy and other popular brands that appeal to children from coming across the border.
At a Faith & Freedom Coalition event in Atlanta last month, the senator talked about being invited to the evidence room of a sheriffs department where he says he saw “every drug you can possibly imagine,” including “bags and bags of marijuana,” pressed fentanyl pills and meth.
“I say, ‘Guys, what is going on here? You’ve got all these drugs here that looks to me just like a box of candy—a box of Nerds candy,” Vance said. “And they say, ‘Well, sir, that’s actually THC and fentanyl.’ But I say, ‘Wait a second, the cartels have disguised deadly fentanyl to look like child’s candy so that they can make it easier to get into our country?'”

“Yet we know that one of those packets of fentanyl is going to end up in one of our neighborhood streets,” he said. “One of those packets of fentanyl is going to end up in a child’s playground. One of those packets of what looks like Nerds candy, but is actually a deadly substance, is going to end up in our schools, and a kid’s going to open up a packet of candy, take a piece of candy out and lose their life because of it.”
“Now that is a sick and deranged human being that would do anything like that. But it’s a sick and deranged human being who would give that person power over the United States of America, and that’s exactly what Kamala Harris has done,” he said. “She has given these drug cartels free reign over our country, and now they’re smuggling in deadly drugs that look like child candy.”



While Vance has expressed support for a states’ rights approach to cannabis policy and indicated he’s opposed to criminalizing people over marijuana possession, he’s more recently leaned into anti-drug rhetoric, including during am earlier campaign event with the Milwaukee Police Association in Wisconsin in August.
At the time, he similarly claimed “marijuana bags” are being laced with fentanyl, and he said the Biden administration’s border policies were also making it so that youth, including his own kids, can’t experiment with cannabis or other drugs without risking fatal overdoses.

Advocates would argue that’s a key reason to enact a regulatory framework for marijuana or other drugs that includes testing requirements and other safeguards to mitigate the risk of dangerous contaminants, but the GOP candidate did not draw that connection and continues to maintain an opposition to cannabis legalization.
Vance, who was elected to the Senate in 2022, doesn’t have an extensive cannabis policy record. However, he’s voted against bipartisan banking legislation that passed in committee and has argued that states that have enacted legalization should increase enforcement activities, complained about the smell of cannabis multiple times and suggested that its use can lead to violence.

A 271-page leaked memo with vetting material on Vance included his cannabis legalization opposition under a list of “notable vulnerabilities” with moderate voters, alongside his past comments on slashing Social Security and Medicare, opposition to student loan forgiveness, support for abortion restrictions and his views on race relations, among others.
Trump, for his part, evidently doesn’t see a major liability in embracing certain cannabis reform policies, as he’s recently backed federal marijuana rescheduling and allowing industry access to banking services, as well as a Florida legalization ballot initiative he’ll get to vote as a resident this November.

“As President, we will continue to focus on research to unlock the medical uses of marijuana to a Schedule 3 drug, and work with Congress to pass common sense laws, including safe banking for state authorized companies, and supporting states rights to pass marijuana laws, like in Florida, that work so well for their citizens,” he said last month.
“As I have previously stated, I believe it is time to end needless arrests and incarcerations of adults for small amounts of marijuana for personal use,” he said in a post on his Truth Social site. “We must also implement smart regulations, while providing access for adults, to safe, tested product. As a Floridian, I will be voting YES on Amendment 3 this November.”

Trump’s marijuana post followed up on one he made in August in which he indicated—but did not explicitly say—he supported Amendment 3 in Florida. The earlier comments predicted that Florida voters would approve the cannabis measure and generally discussed the benefits of legalization, but left some observers wanting more clarity on the former president’s position on the specific state initiative.
Trump also discussed the medical benefits of cannabis and said legalization would be “very good” for Florida in an interview with Lex Fridman last month.
At a press conference in August, Trump told a reporter that he’s starting to “agree a lot more” that people should not be criminalized over marijuana given that it’s “being legalized all over the country”—adding that he would “fairly soon” reveal his position on the Florida ballot measure.

Harris, for her part, recently made her first comments backing federal legalization since accepting the party’s 2024 nomination, weighing in on the reform in a podcast interview that was released last month. This follows weeks of protracted silence on the issue, despite her prior advocacy for legalization and sponsorship of a Senate bill to end federal prohibition.
“This is not a new position for me,” Harris said. “I have felt for a long time we need to legalize it. So that’s where I am on that.”
Meanwhile, last month Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D), Harris’s running mate, said he thinks marijuana legalization is an issue that should be left to individual states, adding that electing more Democrats to Congress could also make it easier to pass federal reforms like cannabis banking protections.
 
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Good point. Caffeine is a good example, as well as alcohol. Nicotine too. There are plenty of people who smoke a cigar a day. What about Fast Food? Are all of these other examples of chronic abuse?
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most people would say so, in the abstract. it is the particulars IE- goring THEIR ox that prevents a general agreement. almost nobody would say that their habit of choice might be a case in point. i drink over a gallon of tea per day on average. doesn't everybody ? :whistling:
 
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DOJ Says Marijuana Companies’ Lawsuit Challenging Prohibition ‘Would Frustrate’ Rescheduling Effort

In an appeals court case that targets the very core of U.S. cannabis prohibition, lawyers for the federal government warned this week that the legal challenge, if it succeeds, could risk upsetting the Biden administration’s planned move of marijuana from Schedule I to Schedule III of the...
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Awww....would it hurt their feewings too?
 
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The lawsuit is based off a dispute against the mission of the drug war, which is to eradicate cannabis. This is not going to be at all possible if cannabis is legal in over half the states in the USA, thus the prohibiton is voided because its a waste of time and resources, is harmful and must be stopped.
 
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Governor is a very high power position. They have authority to veto any legislation and also to create Executive Orders.

The feds are holding back and allowing the states to make their own legislation, but its only the states that are willing to create legislation which is in conflict with federal cannabis laws.

Are they promoting lawlessness or what?
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Promoting "lawlessness" when a particular law itself is wrong is a good thing.

It's good that Governors of some States ignore the Feds. Ergo, it's good that freedom loving cannabis enthusiasts ignore prohibitionist Governors, etc.
Laws which violate individual rights should be ignored, ridiculed and massively disobeyed. The only good law is one which protects individual's freedom of choice.

The only legislation which makes sense to me, is the one where ALL the various government iterations, be they FEDS, STATE, or local, butt the fuck out of cannabis, entirely.

No half ass "freedom", of a plant or two in your backyard, or other nanny state restrictions. Fuck all that. It springs from the idea that individuals are subjects, serfs, slaves and must obey laws which denigrate or water down individual rights. The problem isn't "getting the law right', it's that there even are laws regarding cannabis.


It used to be "Pot is bad". now it's "pot is bad, unless you give the government money" then it's okay. No thanks.
 
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I just see that allowing the system to function this way, in a lawless way for what is now approaching 30 years, is going to have negative consequences.

Proud of all the vigillant patriots standing up for freedom.
 
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The lawsuit against prohibition would be a good thing even if it jepordizes the resheduling process. We need to use the lawmaking system to fight this and hopefully there will be more lawsuits like it. Then the legislators will be forced into action.

Until then it will likely be the unelected agencies who make the decisions, and the lawmakers will hold off on ruling anything further than their recommendations.
 
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Prohibition must be ended immediately. Are our representatives willing to debate this issue to find a solution in the next year or will they continue to allow people to be harmed by this destructive policy?

What if they had banned coffee in certain states?

Cannabis helps people to be healthier and live longer lives. Are they trying to reduce our life expectancy and allow patients to suffer harm because they don't have access to medicine that helps them?
 
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