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U.K cheese brightside cut ?
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I'm fairly sure that the plants used to make the new stuff are Nev's old trusty clones...
There is no SK#1/C plant in eithers possession I do not believe.. Nev said what he gave shanti and that wasn't it, Shanti said he has all the plants.. I believe this to be they all have the same plants as of the split or just before because they were in the same rooms.
Greenhouse have the C5 & both A5 clones. They have some males too but the plants in the seeds are 100% different these days. Some folks have the origional cuts. I'm not sure if there is still a bibliography like in the early 90's or that folks have kept up with the whole labelling thing as they were in 1991 when obtained from Nev direct. (Folks shortened the Labels) As per fcukups.
At the end of the day what people voted as best smoke for SSH was an a5 or c5 at any judging of any cup, not a F1 of something with SK in it.. The male was gone when Neville went. SSH was around in 1992
I'm fairy sure because his last project is to pair a unknown line to Nev's haze male as it's the purest thing he has access to. He don't particulary like sam's genes he rates his honesty about Ped's. I take this as certainty that the plants and dad's are long gone.. Only the commercial growers realily kept the snips for $$$..
Only his stash of Nev's Haze seeds are from the origional cross and are likely the only real seeds left with Ped. He said he seen many plants loose everything in a year and in the second cross there was less superiour plants in every cross so the more times made the worse.. Unfortunatly the A male was lost before commercial amounts of seed were made and the other plants all died in the period before Ben bought his house off him.. Only a handful of known folks in Holland have access to what Nev' says were his best genes.. Apart from the commercial cloners and thieves of which there were many....
If you have A5 like Greenhouse you don't need Brightside cheese.. Or any cheese because it's surpassed in just about every aspect..
There is no SK#1/C plant in eithers possession I do not believe.. Nev said what he gave shanti and that wasn't it, Shanti said he has all the plants.. I believe this to be they all have the same plants as of the split or just before because they were in the same rooms.
Greenhouse have the C5 & both A5 clones. They have some males too but the plants in the seeds are 100% different these days. Some folks have the origional cuts. I'm not sure if there is still a bibliography like in the early 90's or that folks have kept up with the whole labelling thing as they were in 1991 when obtained from Nev direct. (Folks shortened the Labels) As per fcukups.
At the end of the day what people voted as best smoke for SSH was an a5 or c5 at any judging of any cup, not a F1 of something with SK in it.. The male was gone when Neville went. SSH was around in 1992
I'm fairy sure because his last project is to pair a unknown line to Nev's haze male as it's the purest thing he has access to. He don't particulary like sam's genes he rates his honesty about Ped's. I take this as certainty that the plants and dad's are long gone.. Only the commercial growers realily kept the snips for $$$..
Only his stash of Nev's Haze seeds are from the origional cross and are likely the only real seeds left with Ped. He said he seen many plants loose everything in a year and in the second cross there was less superiour plants in every cross so the more times made the worse.. Unfortunatly the A male was lost before commercial amounts of seed were made and the other plants all died in the period before Ben bought his house off him.. Only a handful of known folks in Holland have access to what Nev' says were his best genes.. Apart from the commercial cloners and thieves of which there were many....
If you have A5 like Greenhouse you don't need Brightside cheese.. Or any cheese because it's surpassed in just about every aspect..
I´ve got more than 400 seeds...if you want to call that poor, I call that a treasure.
I didn't realize it was seeded, my apologies.
I also suspect Neville and Shanti shared everything they had for safety reasons.
Even though they were breeding for different things in some respects.
They didn't share everything.. Or there would be the same seeds about now Corky. What was shared was the Female clones.. Males are more unique.. They don't tend to get shared.. Neville works along the lines that when something fades and is surpassed it's fucked off and thrown away.. Thats the way so the snakes and grasses cannot hope to relive your glory days.. Or go back and rob you of time.. Neville is the smartest guy in the buisness at this game.. You can have 5 plants in Holland and make as many seeds as you wish. It's the 10.000 plant selections that are banned there under geoden.. There was likely guardians of the good lines for commercial value who would be given a few females and a male and then told to grow out every season the same and for that they were paid handsomely.. "I know 4 of the guardians". The seeds would be elite genes but unknown to the seed maker.. These are Whitelabel seeds.. it's where the name comes from.. .. The clones and the males would be different in all the seperate 5 plant grows and the cuttings what survived commercial seed propagation and raids are what's left.
Pretty much everything that has ever come out of Neviles mouth is shit, likewise Scott, a pair of utter wankers who have a illuminating habit of self congratulation.
I will tell you one thing about great men, they never try or need to tell you they are great.
I will tell you one thing about great men, they never try or need to tell you they are great.
You can learn somenthing from everyone, even from their badthings, to no copycat them.
I learnt a lot during my time working in the canna-bizz, the most important of all being, How I don´t want to be, how I don´t want to do things and how I don´t want to behave.
That´s why I´m here, shedding some light over confusion and setting the record straight
Can we keep the thread civil please?
I learnt a lot during my time working in the canna-bizz, the most important of all being, How I don´t want to be, how I don´t want to do things and how I don´t want to behave.
That´s why I´m here, shedding some light over confusion and setting the record straight
Can we keep the thread civil please?
Chaos you talk utter bullshit
Neville and shanti created and flooded holland europe with the best we have seen , all these years later people still living of the scraps nevile and shanti left in town
We know your a greenhouse groupie but they are one of the worst commercial companys since neville/shanti left
I used to love the greenhouse seeds/coffeshops until franco turned up and buds and seeds went way down hill
Again Neville was the best thing holland has ever seen , who else has done what Neville did ? Knowone
Neville and shanti created and flooded holland europe with the best we have seen , all these years later people still living of the scraps nevile and shanti left in town
We know your a greenhouse groupie but they are one of the worst commercial companys since neville/shanti left
I used to love the greenhouse seeds/coffeshops until franco turned up and buds and seeds went way down hill
Again Neville was the best thing holland has ever seen , who else has done what Neville did ? Knowone
Greenhouse definately dont have the A5 or C5 Haze as we would of seen them on the menu in the coffeshops
As much as i think greenhouse has gone to shit i always go into the coffeshop when im in town to check the menu to see if they got any good Haze to buy , but they never do
As much as i think greenhouse has gone to shit i always go into the coffeshop when im in town to check the menu to see if they got any good Haze to buy , but they never do
Neville is the 'King'. Long live the king..
He moulded that glove to fit nicely.. Nobody had his connections nobody has been on a level he has internationally. He's the Ganja king.. HAd everything go through his mittens and nothing has come to fame like his efforts. They are all 1 year wonders by comparison.. I've tried lots of weeds and his stuff has the minerals.. Fuck THC, it's shit on it's own
They do have cut's OJD because how do you explain the Lemon that Franco made? they may only have 1 A5 but the SSH and the Lemon are made from 2 different 5's An a and a c. The A5's were in Switzerland after the Bibliotech went to shit.. He started up Bedrocan. Me and Soloman were smoking them cuts in 2004-5. £88 per ounce.
Another thing is the A5's and the C5 are easy to get in trays of 200, 500 or 1000's same as the Moppel cut and Early Girl.. They are the commercial and Ajrian only buy's the best so if you don't see a 7 Euro a gram wholesale you won't in the Greenhouse..
C5 isn't a 7 euro a gram strain perhaps that's why they don't sell it.. But they sell A5 as the Lemon bubble.
What they "flooded" was really other peopleś work or crosses thereof which they claimed to have created and that we should forever be grateful for... go and read the mrnice.nl site if you havent already...
I am no Greenhouse Groupie, I have zero allegiance to anybody, but I do know several good people who can be relied on, and a lot of liars, fakers and incompetent bullshit merchants of which I include Nevile and Scott. The fact that they made a few nice crosses or selections during an era when you could legally do this does not really change anything, especially the deluge of bullshit ever since.
For us, since Gypsy started SeedsDirect/Seedbay/Seedboutique we have had access to the far superior strains from the USA/Canada than the Dutch have, but I dont need to tell you this, because you are growing this stuff and have been for years. Part of the reason why people eulogise the "Good old days" is simply because their tolerances were lower, the good genetics have got better not worse.
Scott said that Mango Haze comes from a different NL#5XHaze than SSH if my memory is right; A different choice on that famous 5000 selection.
Who knows...
Arjan had a promising cycling career, he was a good sprinter kind of Van Poppel. But I guess he started to mess up with the wrong people,smoking and that to become another Dutch Merchant.
It doesn´t matter if is Spices,Diamonds,Tulips or Cannabis...if tomorrow there is people willing to pay good money for dog shit,they will trade dog shit.
Who knows...
Arjan had a promising cycling career, he was a good sprinter kind of Van Poppel. But I guess he started to mess up with the wrong people,smoking and that to become another Dutch Merchant.
It doesn´t matter if is Spices,Diamonds,Tulips or Cannabis...if tomorrow there is people willing to pay good money for dog shit,they will trade dog shit.
Mango haze has a SkunkC male and it's seperate from SSH as it has no cat piss aroma. It's hard to find no catpiss in c crosses doubled up. Mango is a stabalised hydrid. Stabilised strains are all regular f1 half sib incrosses..
I agree with Chaos that they were simple merchants copying the sire lines of fantastic strains worldwide and with the 10.000 plant limits it's impossible to get garbage with GC testing for mono terpenes on the best of 10.000
No different to what OJD is doing with the same genetics and even he's not testing but just using everybody elses work too same as everyone.. Is there is no harm in it?
Chaos I do not agree with the American stuff being superior.. I think it's got THC but fuck all else..
I have a site that has over 10.000 marijuana tests done on california herb. Same strains testing within 4% of the same clone in variable grows.. The GG4 is between 19-24% and no higher the NL5 has tested @ that.. But when we look @ the Terpenes the Duch stuff is much more than the average yank bollocks..
No Pinene no Eucalyptol the strains are gonna get hammered by P&D so they're mostly shit useless without these 2 effectors..
I wouldn't waste my time or effort if the strain hasn't got these 2.. If there is no Grape Or Myrcene Limonene, Linalool (Geraniol/Nedrol) I don't care..
The levels of Myrcene are directly related to 'stoney' and it increases the ability to get high 'like eating a mango'...
Thuyone, that's the trippy one.. It's psychedelic/hallucinogenic and found in Thai's.
I agree with Chaos that they were simple merchants copying the sire lines of fantastic strains worldwide and with the 10.000 plant limits it's impossible to get garbage with GC testing for mono terpenes on the best of 10.000
No different to what OJD is doing with the same genetics and even he's not testing but just using everybody elses work too same as everyone.. Is there is no harm in it?
Chaos I do not agree with the American stuff being superior.. I think it's got THC but fuck all else..
I have a site that has over 10.000 marijuana tests done on california herb. Same strains testing within 4% of the same clone in variable grows.. The GG4 is between 19-24% and no higher the NL5 has tested @ that.. But when we look @ the Terpenes the Duch stuff is much more than the average yank bollocks..
No Pinene no Eucalyptol the strains are gonna get hammered by P&D so they're mostly shit useless without these 2 effectors..
I wouldn't waste my time or effort if the strain hasn't got these 2.. If there is no Grape Or Myrcene Limonene, Linalool (Geraniol/Nedrol) I don't care..
The levels of Myrcene are directly related to 'stoney' and it increases the ability to get high 'like eating a mango'...
Thuyone, that's the trippy one.. It's psychedelic/hallucinogenic and found in Thai's.
This strain is a parallel line to the Super Silver Haze, i.e. it has the same Haze father and the mother is a sister of the SSH.
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=26
That is the Mr Nice Seeds Official Version of events.
The SSH I know smells incense no catpiss
If you want wine with Catpiss smell/taste you can go either with French Sauvignon Blanc or Müller-Thurgau.
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=26
That is the Mr Nice Seeds Official Version of events.
The SSH I know smells incense no catpiss
If you want wine with Catpiss smell/taste you can go either with French Sauvignon Blanc or Müller-Thurgau.
You've mis read the lineage dude, Shani has said on countless occasions that Mango he had to search for 2 years for the unique dad.. The Haze parent is Haze C it's the same Haze.. Hope this help you out dude..
Therre is loads of SSH phenotypes.. Pepper Nagchampa, lemon, Grape, Piss, fuel/Diesel & Hay, it's all in there...
Do a bit more research get your post count up then you can start talking to me...
Therre is loads of SSH phenotypes.. Pepper Nagchampa, lemon, Grape, Piss, fuel/Diesel & Hay, it's all in there...
Do a bit more research get your post count up then you can start talking to me...
one.sixoneeight
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babbas gg4 was tested at over 27% at the emerald cup
http://contests.theemeraldcup.com/entries/FL122
http://contests.theemeraldcup.com/entries/FL122
I'm not sure if they ever had the A5 or C5, but they definitely should have the original SSH aka Jack Herer cut from Nevil that both Greenhouse and Sensi used in order to win their Cannabis Cups under different names (Jack Herer and SSH lol).
Super Lemon Haze is probably that SSH cut crossed to the Lemon Skunk clone they purchased from Lemon Man when he moved to Amsterdam. The lineage is definitely SSH x LmSk, not only confirmed by Lemon Man's interview but also a guy who works for Greenhouse at the moment. Franco keeps saying that Lemon Skunk is derived by Positronic's Citral but I think it's bullshit after reading that interview.
The A5 Haze and the other cuts from Nevil weren never widely spread, those were kept very tightly by the Breda Crew from Maastritch following Nevil's own indications. Even nowadays is still hard to find those cuts in dutch coffeshops, at least under the original name. Only seen S5 Haze at Prix D'Ami but some say it's still possible to find A5 around Maastritch and C5 renamed under different names around Amsterdam.
By the way does anyone know of the original Jack Herer/SSH 94 cut is still around?
Nevil isn't definitely a saint but Scott is a bullshit artist and a scammer compared to him. He constantly lies about his lineages, genetics or the parents he never had lol. Did he ever created anything? He, Arjan, Simon and almost every other dutch breeder simply took works from Nevil/Sensi/Dj Short/Sam and used as their own while claiming credit for nothing. Now it's even more ridiculous with all the bulk seed production and the elite clones. There's even no need for males lol.
Peace.
I think you'll find they are the Haze snips the commercial boys have, and are what your looking for... They may be degraded by now in that circle but the plant's are 100% still in holland.. All 5 of them, Jack, Silver Haze, A5 haze(a) A5haze(b), C5haze and Moppel cutting are all available every day of the week unless a cut room goes down...
They are not always for sale because they are not as easy to grow these days I bet due to the 'Plauge' of mites that is holland. Besides the fact the rest of the weed in Adam don't move when they're really good..
The C5 is the lemon import.. The MoppelCore is the other import labled as Ammo. The A5's are the Jack and the Kalimist or the Nevilles haze and or 5xhaze. I may be mistaken but it appeers that way to me reading the lineages.. You can see the difference plain as day, one A5 is more fluorescent green..
The better A5 will put out twice as much weed as the C5 so Nev says..
The C5 or Amnesia Haze @ Bulldog recently was the best example I have ever seen
