Trump threatens medical cannabis

[packerfan79]

What's truly remarkable is how you simply ignore honest information in order to hold to belief & maintain those opinions.

The image Trump has created in the minds of his supporters flies in the face of everything he's ever done or been. If he made Sympathy for the Devil his theme song they'd still believe him.

I am done arguing.I have enough shit to deal with right now, I don't need to deal with people who belive one political party has never done wrong, while the other is literally Satan in your eyes.I literally belong to no political party, because they all serve their own interests, not the Interest of the American people.

Again your entitled to belive what you want as am I.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I don't believe saying that Donald Trump has a long documented history of being a confidence-man, is a partisan act. It does push up against a cult of personality though.

 

[Orrie]

Medical Cannabis and all cannabis is always threatened, especially when big Pharma can't profit from it. Big booze also.
it's time to take the fight to the legislature and directly to the President. I have emailed NORML and pushed for a face to face meeting with Trump, Sessions is a nonstarter about anything cannabis related. Fuck Sessions go over his head. It may be a pipedream but it's our only option on the federal level.

Yeah, novel concept that hasn't been tried before .... ad nauseum

Instead of the top down, might I suggest you start local and enlist as many voting age folk as you can in support of legalization when the chance presents itself to vote on the issue.

Thats my plan anyway.

Let us know how that face to face with Trump goes for ya

 

[packerfan79]

Yeah, novel concept that hasn't been tried before .... ad nauseum

Instead of the top down, might I suggest you start local and enlist as many voting age folk as you can in support of legalization when the chance presents itself to vote on the issue.

Thats my plan anyway.

Let us know how that face to face with Trump goes for ya

We have tried going local for decades, with great success in many places. I would rather try than sit back and bitch while continuing to do nothing on a national level.if the vast majority of Americans who belive in the freedom to chose what medicine to use, bombarded the legislature with letters , calls ,and emails it would make a difference potentially. Under your logic nothing will ever get done on a federal level.

Very civilized how you insult people who support the same issues as you. I guess this thread isn't know for out of the box thinking.

 

[Meraxes]

I'm still waiting on a Trump supporter's view on him congratulating Duterte, and possibly inviting him to the White House to rub one out? I only ask because it seems that you're implying that it's ONLY Jeff Sessions that's bringing the hammer down on us, and want's to throw us in jail for maximum sentences? I would also recommend a powerpoint presentation, if you do meet with him...he likes lots of pictures from what I hear...

 

[toxic hippie]

I don't need to deal with people who belive one political party has never done wrong, while the other is literally Satan in your eyes.

O the hypocrisy!

 

[Orrie]

We have tried going local for decades, with great success in many places. I would rather try than sit back and bitch while continuing to do nothing on a national level.if the vast majority of Americans who belive in the freedom to chose what medicine to use, bombarded the legislature with letters , calls ,and emails it would make a difference potentially. Under your logic nothing will ever get done on a federal level.

Very civilized how you insult people who support the same issues as you. I guess this thread isn't know for out of the box thinking.

To be clear, I am not trying to insult anyone whether they support the same issue or not, trying to get my point across



in bold is my logic

more must be done on the street level to change it from 'vast' to an 'overwhelming majority' in support of legalization

 

[BudToaster]

if congress changes the cannabis drug schedule rating, well then it doesn't matter what Trump thinks or does ... or Sessions either.

 

[packerfan79]

To be clear, I am not trying to insult anyone whether they support the same issue or not, trying to get my point across



in bold is my logic

more must be done on the street level to change it from 'vast' to an 'overwhelming majority' in support of legalization

I get your point and support local state and federal push for a cannabis policy that is rooted in reality and factual evidence, not retarded scare tactics and condemnation of one of the most beneficial plants on the planet.

Mabey I mis interpreted your statement, this is easy to do with written word. If this is truly the case I apologize . Being that the vast majority of postings here are adversarial, it's easy to misinterpret what is said.

 

[armedoldhippy]

We are all entitled to our opinions, I am not going to convince you guys that liberty, and freedom are more important than politics, and you aren't going to convince me that socialism produces said freedom And liberty.

liberty & freedom ARE more important than politics. i am not dumb enough to argue otherwise. nor would i argue that socialist policies produce freedom & liberty. but, they DO produce more health care & safety nets for poor people, something that IS important to normal caring people. and poor people vote too...i'm sure that the GOP & Trump are working on that little problem at the moment.

 

[packerfan79]

liberty & freedom ARE more important than politics. i am not dumb enough to argue otherwise. nor would i argue that socialist policies produce freedom & liberty. but, they DO produce more health care & safety nets for poor people, something that IS important to normal caring people. and poor people vote too...i'm sure that the GOP & Trump are working on that little problem at the moment.

Again I am done with the political arguments here. Since it apparently can't be discussed without accusing the opposition of hating the poor, and children. I won't be arguing policy or position, that's not directly cannabis related. I wish you all bountiful harvest, irrelevant of your political views.

 

[Cannavore]

socialism is such a bastardized term it practically has lost all meaning.

scandinavia = industrial democracy
soviet union = massive centralized beaureaucratic tyranny
national socialism = fascism
venezuela = uber corrupt kleptocracy that nationalized some industries


socialism = public ownership of production and economy (ie - the US military is a socialist program in the US)


why would corrupt US business and government give up their power so things can be publicly owned? they actively try to do the opposite.

no democrats outside of bernie sanders (sorry i forgot about HR676 Conyers bill) has made any significant push towards medicare for all, yet, obamacare was 'set up to fail to usher in single payer'???? that doesnt make any sense when congress does the bidding for the insurance companies.

 

[packerfan79]

socialism is such a bastardized term it practically has lost all meaning.

scandinavia = industrial democracy
soviet union = massive centralized beaureaucratic tyranny
national socialism = fascism
venezuela = uber corrupt kleptocracy that nationalized some industries


socialism = public ownership of production and economy (ie - the US military is a socialist program in the US)


why would corrupt US business and government give up their power so things can be publicly owned? they actively try to do the opposite.

no democrats outside of bernie sanders has made any significant push towards medicare for all, yet, obamacare was 'set up to fail to usher in single payer'???? that doesnt make any sense when congress does the bidding for the insurance companies.

Not cannabis related, no comment.

 

[Orrie]

Its all good PF, we are seeking the same outcome with different methods is all.

the goal is the same

if congress changes the cannabis drug schedule rating, well then it doesn't matter what Trump thinks or does ... or Sessions either.

pretty big 'if' with the people in office now

They need to be voted out and term limits put in place.

 

[packerfan79]

Its all good PF, we are seeking the same outcome with different methods is all.

the goal is the same






pretty big 'if' with the people in office now

They need to be voted out and term limits put in place.

Term limts

 

[Cannavore]

Not cannabis related, no comment.

my bad. george soros paid me to post that.

 

[packerfan79]

my bad. george soros paid me to post that.

Your free to post whatever you chose, I am not going to tell you, or anyone else what they can or can't post.

I I recently harvested some oroblanco, tepanado, and red eye Jedi. Fucking stellar buds. Oroblanco has the most intense smell of any strain I have ever grown. Tepanado is pretty awesome also. Red eye jedi is a very nice of cross.

 

[Ready4]

So then I assume you have no compassion for those who were raised, and live in the inner cities?since they should have moved to a better area with more emplyment opportunities. The above statement comes of as extremely elitist.

Well PF, you provided great comic relief yesterday for our guests here. When I mentioned that someone had called me an "elitist", my guests laughed and did not believe me. As nobody has ever called me such a name before.
I logged in and showed your & "Top heavy's" posts, they all roared with laughter. The couple that laughed the hardest actually voted for Trump.

You and "Top Heavy" use a word - "Elitist"- that you do not even know the meaning of, just repeating it like huge parrots.

I will show you both the pure hypocrisy of using such a word and what a huge joke it is to have Trumpettes using the term 'elitist" & "coastal elites"
Donald Trump is one of the very top elitists in the USA & the World. He has a huge penthouse in NYC, as most coastal elitist as it possibly gets, at the very highest echelon of elitists nationwide & Worldwide.
Your assumption that I do not care about "inner city" or "rural" citizens is as bogus as it gets. To start with, "inner city" folks at least live near where jobs are and can access work through private & public transit, as opposed to many Rural areas where there are no or few jobs, areas that have had long time no/few jobs for decades & no future prospect of improvement.
The assertion by some that people should not have to or will not "uproot" and move for $12-15 hr jobs is as foolish as it gets.
If you have useful skills you will certainly make more $$$. And if you do not have skills - why do you not have skills ?????
$12-15 is certainly better than minimum wage at the gas station, etc. If you do not have skills, you gotta start somewhere and work your way up. The reality is that if you are long term unemployed or working minimum wage in a Rural area, with a struggling family, you need to move to where you can provide for your family/self. Many people do this everyday, across out nation and World. In the business/working/corporate World, it happens constantly - it is called "transfer" and "relocation".
It is not "harsh" or "uncaring" to criticize people who are suffering & angry about their situation, yet make no efforts to make changes to improve their situation. The "American dream" did not pass them by, they just make no effort to go track it down.
And..... I sure do know all about that personally. Many years ago, I lived in a Rural area I loved - great fishing, clean air, laid back way of life, etc. I understand the attraction of many Rural areas - great if you can afford it/be self sufficient. I worked different jobs, struggled - I worked with many long time local residents, listened to their stories and listened to the complaints of the regulars at the local bait shop. Finally came to the conclusion I had to move to provide a better life for my young family, I was just not going through life suffering and on government food stamps, etc. like most area residents were doing.
It was hard, very hard. But I worked hard, moved up quick, learned skills quickly by really wanting to learn.
So I have personally "uprooted" and moved to where there was opportunity.
I have zero sympathy for my fellow citizens who are angry about their struggles & think the "American Dream" has passed the by, yet do nothing to change their existence. Move where the work is, just like generations of your ancestors & fellow citizens have done for centuries. Just like many of your fellow citizens do, everyday.

PF, your pretense that you care so much about your fellow citizens is very, very recent. None of your previous posts, in previous threads, show ANY indication of caring so much.
You state that " you really care" to gain sympathy from our fellow posters.
In reality, saying such is simply a pretext for your rant about "leftist leaders" in Central America, South America & the "DEMS" who run our "Big Cities". You pretend you care so you can criticize them & "the damage they have caused !!!" and show "caring", by ranting such nonsense.
You know absolutely zero about the history & social dynamics of Central & South America , and really know very little of our major cities and the history of why things are as they are.
The idea that sudden change to GOP mayors, etc would cause any improvements or changes quickly or at all, is laughable.
You state "you want to learn" .... no problem there, here are some FACTS for you...
(Fact 1) Your GOP had 7 entire years to create a "better plan" for the ACA/ "Obamacare" - they put on an huge "dog & pony" show about repealing it, in spite of the FACT it would get vetoed every time -52 times in total, a circle jerk of unsurpassed proportions.
In 7 years, they did absolutely ZERO to create a better plan for the citizens of the USA.
Tell us again of how "caring" the GOP is.
(Fact 2) The newly CBO study calculates 23 million citizens would lose their health care with the proposed GOP health care bill.
Tell us again of how "caring" the GOP is.
(Fact 3) - You support Donald Trump, who supports and offers praise for President Duterte of the Philippines who is murdering his own citizens for marijuana & who supports killing us all.

I do not think I have been too "harsh" to you in any of the above text. You probably are not too bad a dude, but you are unable to give direct answers, unable to give facts and believe a bizarre narrative that is no more real than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. If you did actual research on the things you babble about, you would find out that most of them are absolute fiction.

 

[Gry]

Asking for explanations at this point is akin to unscrambling eggs.
We are going to live in interesting times.

 

[packerfan79]

Well PF, you provided great comic relief yesterday for our guests here. When I mentioned that someone had called me an "elitist", my guests laughed and did not believe me. As nobody has ever called me such a name before.
I logged in and showed your & "Top heavy's" posts, they all roared with laughter. The couple that laughed the hardest actually voted for Trump.

You and "Top Heavy" use a word - "Elitist"- that you do not even know the meaning of, just repeating it like huge parrots.

I will show you both the pure hypocrisy of using such a word and what a huge joke it is to have Trumpettes using the term 'elitist" & "coastal elites"
Donald Trump is one of the very top elitists in the USA & the World. He has a huge penthouse in NYC, as most coastal elitist as it possibly gets, at the very highest echelon of elitists nationwide & Worldwide.
Your assumption that I do not care about "inner city" or "rural" citizens is as bogus as it gets. To start with, "inner city" folks at least live near where jobs are and can access work through private & public transit, as opposed to many Rural areas where there are no or few jobs, areas that have had long time no/few jobs for decades & no future prospect of improvement.
The assertion by some that people should not have to or will not "uproot" and move for $12-15 hr jobs is as foolish as it gets.
If you have useful skills you will certainly make more $$$. And if you do not have skills - why do you not have skills ?????
$12-15 is certainly better than minimum wage at the gas station, etc. If you do not have skills, you gotta start somewhere and work your way up. The reality is that if you are long term unemployed or working minimum wage in a Rural area, with a struggling family, you need to move to where you can provide for your family/self. Many people do this everyday, across out nation and World. In the business/working/corporate World, it happens constantly - it is called "transfer" and "relocation".
It is not "harsh" or "uncaring" to criticize people who are suffering & angry about their situation, yet make no efforts to make changes to improve their situation. The "American dream" did not pass them by, they just make no effort to go track it down.
And..... I sure do know all about that personally. Many years ago, I lived in a Rural area I loved - great fishing, clean air, laid back way of life, etc. I understand the attraction of many Rural areas - great if you can afford it/be self sufficient. I worked different jobs, struggled - I worked with many long time local residents, listened to their stories and listened to the complaints of the regulars at the local bait shop. Finally came to the conclusion I had to move to provide a better life for my young family, I was just not going through life suffering and on government food stamps, etc. like most area residents were doing.
It was hard, very hard. But I worked hard, moved up quick, learned skills quickly by really wanting to learn.
So I have personally "uprooted" and moved to where there was opportunity.
I have zero sympathy for my fellow citizens who are angry about their struggles & think the "American Dream" has passed the by, yet do nothing to change their existence. Move where the work is, just like generations of your ancestors & fellow citizens have done for centuries. Just like many of your fellow citizens do, everyday.

PF, your pretense that you care so much about your fellow citizens is very, very recent. None of your previous posts, in previous threads, show ANY indication of caring so much.
You state that " you really care" to gain sympathy from our fellow posters.
In reality, saying such is simply a pretext for your rant about "leftist leaders" in Central America, South America & the "DEMS" who run our "Big Cities". You pretend you care so you can criticize them & "the damage they have caused !!!" and show "caring", by ranting such nonsense.
You know absolutely zero about the history & social dynamics of Central & South America , and really know very little of our major cities and the history of why things are as they are.
The idea that sudden change to GOP mayors, etc would cause any improvements or changes quickly or at all, is laughable.
You state "you want to learn" .... no problem there, here are some FACTS for you...
(Fact 1) Your GOP had 7 entire years to create a "better plan" for the ACA/ "Obamacare" - they put on an huge "dog & pony" show about repealing it, in spite of the FACT it would get vetoed every time -52 times in total, a circle jerk of unsurpassed proportions.
In 7 years, they did absolutely ZERO to create a better plan for the citizens of the USA.
Tell us again of how "caring" the GOP is.
(Fact 2) The newly CBO study calculates 23 million citizens would lose their health care with the proposed GOP health care bill.
Tell us again of how "caring" the GOP is.
(Fact 3) - You support Donald Trump, who supports and offers praise for President Duterte of the Philippines who is murdering his own citizens for marijuana & who supports killing us all.

I do not think I have been too "harsh" to you in any of the above text. You probably are not too bad a dude, but you are unable to give direct answers, unable to give facts and believe a bizarre narrative that is no more real than Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. If you did actual research on the things you babble about, you would find out that most of them are absolute fiction.

Off topic Political post will not be responded to, have a nice day.