Trump threatens medical cannabis

[Space Toker]

This election was pure nationalist, vs. Corrupt globalist. We need to worry about the welfare of Americans first.

pure nationalist AKA pure nut whats worse... welfare of america fisrt? OK do you have a point? Maybe but it's utter BS how does/can an arrogant billionaire scum want to or pretend to care about anyone but himself let alone he other .99.9 percent? Kidding me epic con man and a lousy one at that any sensible person could have seen that and you believed it? Wat does that say? He wants only for himself, he would have 23 million people die for lack of med overage, akin to any other crazy dictator before. how can you argue for or support that unless you are epic evil selfish scum yourself? Why don't rich show true greatness instead of selfish scumness by turning a 3rd world country into a thriving sucess story or fund some other epic great agenda that woul d help the poor? Because they are evil sadiistics that thrive on creating and promoting pain poverty suffering and misery, we should demand their heads on a pole rather than striving towaards that, the current model is envronmentally and every other way be unsustainable and will drive the whole world to epic disaster and doom it's only when we work together that we will ever truly and epically get ahead... I am talking people who want to leave a legacy not by epically evil globally destructive and selfish as having lots of material goods that lets just say... just saying... I find the "elite" as anything but and in fact epically scum you believe your children deserve to be spoiled rotten by private schools acadamies and high priced colleges trust funds and other unfair advantages instead of learning the real world? In that case you got Trumps and look at the epic worldwide disaster that is causing! If we are not owned by Chine Russia or some hostile power in a few to 10 years i will be really surprised, due to irresponsible and reckless bricks!

if there is an afterlife or you have to answer you condemned yourself as an epic selfish scum already... you deserve far more than others could ever earn in a life time when they do far more that really matters... why?! No one dererves 200 cars or huge houses with so many rooms some will never get visited while some starve to death and don't get a piece of bread or a glass of water, solve poverty mental health and unecessary problems and maybe and only maybe then do you deserve something iif you are part of the solution instead of part of the problem. No one deserves to be reaLLY poor or really rich and that should be stopped... Why would you or anyone even think let alone vote for the embodiment of all that?! What is the matter with you all?! just saying but can't talk sense into a...ok too far won't but should go there. 99 percent of the world has more sense what does that say? btw I think this was more abput selfishness or rac9sm or sexism more than what the supporters actually believed what is right and look forward to rotten people being punished

I am not speaking to any individual but to a bigger not greater but lesser whole, that one percent would vote for that or that you would support one let alone more than one principles on that agenda, how anyone can even think of it let alone do it is beyond me but now you will suffer along with me and justice may be served.

 

[packerfan79]

pure nationalist AKA pure nut whats worse... welfare of america fisrt? OK do you have a point? Maybe but it's utter BS how does/can an arrogant billionaire scum want to or pretend to care about anyone but himself or the other .99.9 percent? Kidding me epic con man and a lousy one at that any sensible person could have seen that and you believed it? Wat does that say? He wants only for himself, he would have 23 million people die for lack of med overage, akin to any other crazy dictator before. how can you argue for or support that unless you are epic evil selfish scum yourself? Why don't rich show true greatness instead of selfish scumness by turning a 4rd world country into a thriving sucess story or fund some other epic great agenda that woul d help the poor? Because they are evil sadiistics that thrive on creating and promoting pain poverty suffering and misery, we should demand their heads on a pole rather than striving towaards that, the current model is envronmentally and every other way be unsustainable and will drive the whole world to epic disaster and doom it's only when we work together that we will ever truly and epically get ahead... I am talking people who want to leave a legacy not by epically evil globally destructive and selfish as having lots of material goods that lets just say... just saying... I find the "elite" as anything but and in fact epically scum you believe your children deserve to be spoiled rotten by private schools acadamies and high priced colleges trust funds and other unfair advantages instead of learning the real world? In that case you got Trumps and look at the epic worldwide disaster that is causing! If we are not owned by Chine Russia or some hostile power in a few to 10 years i will be really surprised, due to irresponsible and reckless bricks!

if there is an afterlife or you have to answer you condemned yourself as an epic selfish scum already... you deserve far more than others could ever earn in a life time when they do far more that really matters... why?! No one dererves 200 cars or huge houses with so many rooms some will never get visited while some starve to death and don't get a piece of bread or a glass of water, solve poverty mental health and unecessary problems and maybe and only maybe then do you deserve something iif you are part of the solution instead of part of the problem. No one deserves to be reaLLY poor or really rich and that should be stopped... Why would you or anyone even think let alone vote for the embodiment of all that?! What is the matter with you all?! just saying but can't talk sense into a...ok too far won't but should go there. 99 percent of the world has more sense what does that say? btw I think this was more abput selfishness or rac9sm or sexism more than what the supporters actually believed what is right and look forward to rotten people being punished

Nothing thier even made sense, what does Trump stand to gain. He gave up control of an Empire, to be smeared by everyone. The man donates his salary to charity. He stands to gain nothing. He's worth billions, again nothing to gain. I am tired of everyone assuming because someone has money they can't possibly be a decent person, talk about prejudice.

 

[Space Toker]

Trump no tax returns... you kidding me? HE is a slithering snake if there ever was one and has a lot to hide more financial ties then political maybe but still you support a disease on all humanity. just saying..

 

[Space Toker]

and again why do you act like this is your thread and it isn't? And say we should not be political and you are the worst offender? And want to whoever thought your post was helpful was clearly not thinking at all.. as I said before if you even tried to stop trump love I could control myself too but you show no desire to be reasonable in the slightest

Regardless this should be about more than your views and conspiracy theories and about the whole scenario including, yeah what is happening wirh cannabis and other vital issues. because on so many issues, you support what hurts far more than it helps and we deserve to know why.

 

[Cannavore]

trumps a globalist too lmao

 

[Space Toker]

yeah he wants to own the globe so yes... and once you fall down the slippery slope of greed and power, you cannot recover and slither down to the bottomless pits lets say... you enslave or oppress everyone in your path to get where you are and you get where You live like you are in heaven when you are on earth with I think is oerverted and totally disgusting and descpicable when others suffer... and then maybe you slide down a slippery slope into an underworld you earned... But yeah he speaks against unions and NAFTA and NATO and when it comes right down to it he is a globalist.. hell he'd be an environmentalist (well don't think so but just saying) or anything totally against what he is supposed to support if it benefits him regardless of how many it hurt others
some are so mindless

 

[Space Toker]

many good people here and can't believe those that seem otherwise are really that way.... who would want less med/rec cannabis even if it financially disadvantages some of us, who would want less med benefits for those who need it or less environmental protection when it is so critical or less racial tolerance... but mind boggelingly this election happened the way it did, I think HRC was right about something controversial she said but won't repeat it... but do I make sense now???? Unless your head is in the sand, I think so!

 

[packerfan79]

Trump not a globalist, globalist are,for no borders.

I don't act like this is my thread. I simply state my position in the opposition to the majority here. That's called debate. I would prefer this to remain about the subject at hand but I feel opposing viewpoints are necessary and I have every right to speak my point of view.

I don't care about his tax returns, i have no doubt he pays more in taxes every year than most of will make in our lifetime combined.

He doesn't want to own the globe that's George Soros. According to you guys he hates everyone, why would he want to own countries who he supposedly hates. Again these are not legitimate grievances, you guys act like he's Kony or some other mass murderer, a bit of a stretch.

Again I don't judge people on how much money they have. Being wealthy isn't an indication of evil. Stop being so,angry and let the man do his job. I don't think he can do any worse than Bush, or Obama for that matter. When a man stands against the establishment that has fucked us all don't you think mabey just mabey he's attacked because he's a threat to those who have consistently fucked the American people.

I don't think Trump is an amazing President. He makes stupid mistakes, I agree he flips on things, his health care bill is just Obama care light nothing really changes, but he's not going anywhere anytime soon. So you are getting upset about something you have no control over.

I guess I could just stay out of this thread and let the rest of you have an exclusive we hate Trump thread . I am not the kind of person to sit back in an echo chamber of hate, and not call people on thier bullshit.

Either way I respect your voices, and your right to speak your mind. I think I should be afforded the same respect. All censorship is damaging to a free society.

Been a long day going to blaze and get to bed, good night.

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

Nothing thier even made sense, what does Trump stand to gain. He gave up control of an Empire, to be smeared by everyone. The man donates his salary to charity. He stands to gain nothing. He's worth billions, again nothing to gain. I am tired of everyone assuming because someone has money they can't possibly be a decent person, talk about prejudice.

Trump is a notorious conman. Tony Schwartz, who actually wrote Trump's "auto"-biography The Art of the Deal, considers him to be a dangerous sociopath. Trump didn't give up control of an empire. His sons are just playing the role of front-men to make it look like their father doesn't still pull the strings. The family is capitalizing on the office of the presidency to pump up TRUMP as a worldwide brand... But the brand is now losing value because the Trump presidency is turning out to be a disaster. It's all coming apart.

Ivanka and Jared are now saying that they always planned to reevaluate their role in the administration every six months, and maybe now they'll go back to New York. Even Trump's daughter is jumping ship. Those who are willfully blind say that there is no evidence or "proof" of criminal activity or collusion with Russia. Well more and more evidence comes to the front every day. Where there's smoke there's likely to be a fire, and the smoke is billowing out of the White House now.

This is a long read, and since it's on a Democratic Party oriented website, some of you would refuse to look at it anyway... but it lays out the criminal case with what is publicly known. The author doesn't mention the computer server in Trump Tower that was communicating with the Russian, Alpha Bank during the election, but it paints a damning picture. They're all going to jail. And this doesn't even cover the racketeering .

For all those who say there's "No crime or evidence of collusion and cooperation" with Russia...

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...ence-of-collusion-and-cooperation-with-Russia

Not to mention the inept overt attempts to subvert the investigation. But this time the cover up won't be worse than the crime.

The feds are slowly gathering all the pieces of the puzzle, building their case. They know that this needs to be a slam dunk case. It needs to convince the entire American public. When they finally lay it all out, we will see plenty of evidence.

I think that cannabis won't be a high priority for Mr. Jeff Sessions as this all unfolds;

April 2016 — Trump and Sessions meet Russian Ambassador Kislyak backstage before Trump’s first national security speech.
...

Sessions actually met Kislyak twice in situations where he was acting as part of the Trump campaign, in addition to his private meeting with him in his Senate Offices — and lied about it under oath. Sessions didn’t put these meetings on his security clearance forms.

Michael Flynn didn’t document his meetings and calls with Kislyak on his security forms, he didn’t get permission before he took $45,000 from RT and $11,000 from Russian cyber-security firm Kaspersky Labs, as well as another $530,000 as a lobbyist for Turkey. He then lied to the FBI and Vice President about discussing sanctions for hacking that Obama placed on Russia with Kislyak — which is what led to him getting fired and is also a violation of the Logan Act, as would be any promises or arrangements with foreign nationals to undermine U.S. policy by private individuals.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
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Jared Kushner also didn’t document on his security clearance application his meetings with Kislyak or his meetings along with Bannon & Flynn with the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi — who later met again with Eric Prince in the UAE — his meeting with Sergei Gorka head of Russia’s VEB bank, who was a graduate of the FSB Academy, and had an undercover Russia Spy working at his company until he was discovered and prosecuted in 2015 for conspiracy to co-opt U.S. businessmen like Carter Page into working for the Russians were all undisclosed.
Besides lying to the FBI, leaving out relevant information on the SF-86 security forms is also a Felony.

18 U.S.C. § 1001
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully

1. falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
2. makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
3. makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years

Why exactly would all of these people simultaneous falsify all these forms if they thought that the discovery of the meetings, and what was discussed at these meetings was a greater risk than prison?
Maybe because 15 years for being an accessory after the fact is more frightening then lying on the forms and facing 8 years for it.

 

[Space Toker]

no he paid little if any taxes and got off on loopholes where all the rest of us would have had to pay a far higher rate, but no one should want to silence you or me or anyone else... just don't dance around the fact that you profess a principle you will not follow yourself as stated before, don't knock those that oppose your views if you go after them... money seems like evil to me but I''ll give you that maybe there are some super rich that consistently and constantly give 50 percent of their income and total worth or more, hopefully more like 90, got to think I'd want to make that kind of difererence in their place instead of building palaces and monuments to myself and other petty BS but that is beside the point, or is it, don't know now.. the point I think is we can find a way through this mess some created but it will take all of us including those that created this mess.

 

[packerfan79]

If these people are guilty of a crime then they should be punished, but there is no actual evidence at this point. It really doesn't make sense that a billionaire would risk prison for something as stupid as working for a foreign government. I am not going to put too much stock in a website that is run by the Democratic party, they are not exactly a shining light of honesty and integrity, just ask Bernie Sanders he's quite we are of the underhanded dealings.

 

[Space Toker]

Oh I was about to say no matter how anyone's views, they should always be welcome and subject to the jedgement of history...
that must always stand of course but you soiled good will yet again... don't know what website but by mentioning it you are showing your willingness to disregard everything for that... and that is not right even repub's under Nxon fought for the greater good and should be commended along with anyone today that fights for the truth whereever that may lead, not maybe where you want or where I want but the path forward must continue regardless. tell fellow repubs to respect democracy, to respect "liberal" which is not a dirty word but was a word for "liberty" and is far more a way forward than otherwise. At least stop pressing your agenda in a thread that is neither of ours, and be respectful of everyone. thanks


PS thanks to anyone who would want to and refrains from silencing either end of the argument, thanks to those that allow valueable discussion and necessary venting to go forward.. I doubted but am now convinced that the good people here have all good will and good vibes and the betterment of us all at heart and thank them for that!

pps that sounded like a contradiction but wasn't, or well, we are all full of contradictions if we are honest, we all respect what we want to hear but may punch out or bodyslam some dumbass that opposes us, I can't say I respect the other side just the opposite but we must find a way forward, TOGETHER whether we like it or not! I do not nor do you but cival war and near total annihilation or peace I choose the latter Let's not kid ourselves unless we solve petty BS that allows the like of this to get elected, it is coming to that! Choose a better way, FORWARD!

 

[Space Toker]

now seriously what is up with the latest with sessions and what may happen with cannabis?! really all this is important but especially that!

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

If these people are guilty of a crime then they should be punished, but there is no actual evidence at this point. It really doesn't make sense that a billionaire would risk prison for something as stupid as working for a foreign government.

With Donald Trump, something makes sense if it strokes his ego.

And remember that his casino businesses went bankrupt. American banks wouldn't touch Donald Trump with a ten foot pole. He had to go to Eastern Europe and Russia to find money to keep himself afloat. His sons have talked about how they could easily get all the money they needed from Russia to develop their golf courses. That kind of money doesn't come without strings attached.

The Russians are experts at using this type of situation to gain control over a person. Just a little favor here helping to launder some east European dirty money through a Trump casino before it finances a golf course and he's hooked... they can now blackmail him. Personally, I think Putin owns Donald Trump. And everything Donald has done since winning the election reinforces that view. It was Vladmir who told Trump to invite Prime Minister Lavrov and Ambassador Kislyak into the Oval Office for a little photo shoot. The Russians are laughing at us.

 

[armedoldhippy]

I agree with most of what you said. Socialist may not have a monopoly on corruption, they do generally have a monopoly on mass murder of political dissidents .

Other than that please don't compare doctors, and ministers to politicians and lawyers

if you had said "communist" you would have been correct. all of the worlds mass murders (not counting Hitler) have been communist despots. Russia since the early 1900s has racked up millions & has not stopped. God only knows how many died in China after Mao took over. Pol Pot in Cambodia was another. millions dead. fat boy in North Korea has not killed many (yet) but he has nuclear weapons & potential. socialists by contrast are but rank amateurs... most doctors these days are in it for the money, nothing more. not "all" of them, but most. and ministers are not immune to cash. had one locally that threatened to leave his flock if they would not pony up & buy him the gear for a radio/tv set-up. they told him to fuck off, & the church & property are now up for sale. another one built up such a following that they had to have two services on Sunday. they were ROLLING in money. his secret? one of his "followers" was in the payroll dept of our largest employer. when they gave out bonuses, the church sent them a letter telling them what the churches cut of that was. he has since "retired". have YOU ever heard of a man of the cloth retiring? i sure aint...all of the true men of God i have known died in harness, doing His work. i'm not EVEN going to start in on politicians...

 

[Jhhnn]

This election was pure nationalist, vs. Corrupt globalist. We need to worry about the welfare of Americans first.

I've been trying to find a nice way to say this, but it seems to me that Trump fooled an astounding number of people simply by telling them what they want to hear when the truth is entirely to the contrary.

Trump *is* a globalist in ways that Clinton never dreamed of being-

http://time.com/4629308/donald-trump-business-deals-world-map/

I'm amazed that so many people find him to be utterly convincing.

 

[packerfan79]

We are all entitled to our opinions, I am not going to convince you guys that liberty, and freedom are more important than politics, and you aren't going to convince me that socialism produces said freedom And liberty.

 

[Orrie]

I'm convinced medical marijuana is being threatened

I feel it in my gut.

No clairvoyance of how much or in what way but some changes are going to happen

 

[packerfan79]

I'm convinced medical marijuana is being threatened

I feel it in my gut.

No clairvoyance of how much or in what way but some changes are going to happen

Medical Cannabis and all cannabis is always threatened, especially when big Pharma can't profit from it. Big booze also.
it's time to take the fight to the legislature and directly to the President. I have emailed NORML and pushed for a face to face meeting with Trump, Sessions is a nonstarter about anything cannabis related. Fuck Sessions go over his head. It may be a pipedream but it's our only option on the federal level.

 

[Jhhnn]

We are all entitled to our opinions, I am not going to convince you guys that liberty, and freedom are more important than politics, and you aren't going to convince me that socialism produces said freedom And liberty.

What's truly remarkable is how you simply ignore honest information in order to hold to belief & maintain those opinions.

The image Trump has created in the minds of his supporters flies in the face of everything he's ever done or been. If he made Sympathy for the Devil his theme song they'd still believe him.