Trump threatens medical cannabis

[Genghis Kush]

Not likely...

bummer.

you are smart staying away from the pills though.

 

[packerfan79]

It'll be a wonderful day when/if I can legally grow my own medicine. I refuse to take L-dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors because they confuse the brain into producing even less of them naturally.

Cannabis is far better because it causes the brain to produce more on it's own.

I'm taking a serious chance the way things are now but I really have no other choice.

I agree, messing with the brand brain chemistry has effects that the pharmaceutical companies either don't bother to account for, or just don't care. I just lost an uncle who battled bipolar disorder, and paranoid schizophrenia. A few people in the family noted when he used cannabis he was much more stable. I don't know if the voices went away, or if he was just able to discern the difference. But the up and down of the bipolar was practically nonexistent. Unfortunately he was a truck driver so cannabis wasnt an option for the last 20 years.The sad thing is he was a chronic user of meth, which ramped up all the symptoms of his illness and no doubt played a large role in his death.

Cannabis is a natural medicine that has so many uses, we must continue to fight for the right to use the medicine which we see fit.lives are on the line here. This should not be a partisan issue, but a personal rights issue.

 

[gaiusmarius]

nope i didnt call you immoral, i don't call names under normal circumstances. not really accusing you, just trying to show you that words are important. specially accusations of terrorism.

i don't think i abused my mod powers in any way in this thread. i try to keep the same standards for everyone. only folks crossing the line from discussion to argument got posts deleted. many that were border line were left in the spirit of free expression, but i did step in to remind people about the rules when the vibe started becoming heated and harsh. last thing we want here is anger and hate filled comments section, no matter which side is up batting this time round.

edited to add: for the sake of the thread, lets continue this in pm if it needs to go on.

 

[Genghis Kush]

You did say that my ideas where immoral. And my response was that you are not a moral authority.

I hope you can understand that I see the immediate threat of the loss of health care as a greater danger to my well being than anything else.
So passions are high. There is everything to loose.

no need to go to PM. I have nothing left to express.

 

[oldchuck]

Also under Obama care, a large portion of the middle class effectively has no access to healthcare, even though a large chunk of their income goes to insurance they can't use, with 12,000 dollar deductible. Oh and if you don't have it you get fined. The astronomical price of their insurance is going to subsidize low income "free insurance ." So the middle class gets no usable insurance but gets the honor of forcibly subsidizing low income insurance.

I would not call Obamacare very progressive. More people are covered now but, as you point out, overpriced inequities remain. A lot of people wrote that legislation not just Democrats. Perhaps the most influential forces in the final outcome were the insurance companies whose CEOs skim millions off the top.

The beginning of a solution was on the table: the so-called "public option. The insurance industry yanked that off and Obama went along to make a little progress. The public option would have surely set us on the road to a Medicare for all final solution. Medicare for all remains the only solution to the health care issue. The unfairness you point out would disappear because everyone would have equal access. Throwing many millions of people now covered at government expense would not help the 99%, only those who stand to get many billions in tax cuts.

 

[packerfan79]

I would not call Obamacare very progressive. More people are covered now but, as you point out, overpriced inequities remain. A lot of people wrote that legislation not just Democrats. Perhaps the most influential forces in the final outcome were the insurance companies whose CEOs skim millions off the top.

The beginning of a solution was on the table: the so-called "public option. The insurance industry yanked that off and Obama went along to make a little progress. The public option would have surely set us on the road to a Medicare for all final solution. Medicare for all remains the only solution to the health care issue. The unfairness you point out would disappear because everyone would have equal access. Throwing many millions of people now covered at government expense would not help the 99%, only those who stand to get many billions in tax cuts.

Most non Obamaphiles, know that Obama care was designed to fail. Why else would Pelosi say we have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in the bill. The writer of Obama care has openly said it was destined to be a failure, and the American people were lied to. Obama care was designed to fail so that Medicare for all could be implemented. I find it ironic that democrats who claim to be anti corporatism would endorse a bill with so many corporate gifts.

Their is a big problem with Medicare for all. The government that has kept cannabis illegal, now gets to oversee all of your healthcare. The funny thing is that now we are getting a rise in concierge medicine. There is a hospital in Oklahoma t hat provides surgical services for a fraction of the cost including airfare and private rooms. A knee replacement cost about 9 grand, with airfare and pre and post op care. Meanwhile Medicare would pay closer to 40,000$ in taxpayers money . Even when the healthcare is destroyed by the government the wealthy will still have access to quality healthcare. The victims of the Medicare for all will still be th e poor.

 

[gaiusmarius]

You did say that my ideas where immoral. And my response was that you are not a moral authority.

I hope you can understand that I see the immediate threat of the loss of health care as a greater danger to my well being than anything else.
So passions are high. There is everything to loose.

no need to go to PM. I have nothing left to express.

please quote where i said you, or your ideas, were immoral.

that doesn't even sound like my way of talking. who am i to say who's moral? would never think to judge someones morality based on words they post on a pot site. you say i make accusations, but this is on you, SHOW THE PROOF OR RETRACT THAT ACCUSATION!

 

[Genghis Kush]

I said that because of overpopulation that people should only be able to have one child and you said that was immoral and lacked decency.

Sorry if you don't recall.
But, I am 100 % confident that you wrote that and that I responded by writing that you are not a moral authority.

You are the only mod that I have ever had an exchange with in a thread, and its the only time I have ever been called immoral in my life, so its easy for me to remember.

I'm not going to waste my time looking for the quote.
If you care about it then you should go looking for our exchange and you will see that I am not imagining this.


For the record, I was not offended, I only brought it up to point out that you engage in the same behavior.

this is boring me,

Im more interested in hearing why you think that denying suffering people help is acceptable?

 

[Jhhnn]

Most non Obamaphiles, know that Obama care was designed to fail. Why else would Pelosi say we have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in the bill. The writer of Obama care has openly said it was destined to be a failure, and the American people were lied to. Obama care was designed to fail so that Medicare for all could be implemented. I find it ironic that democrats who claim to be anti corporatism would endorse a bill with so many corporate gifts.

Their is a big problem with Medicare for all. The government that has kept cannabis illegal, now gets to oversee all of your healthcare. The funny thing is that now we are getting a rise in concierge medicine. There is a hospital in Oklahoma t hat provides surgical services for a fraction of the cost including airfare and private rooms. A knee replacement cost about 9 grand, with airfare and pre and post op care. Meanwhile Medicare would pay closer to 40,000$ in taxpayers money . Even when the healthcare is destroyed by the government the wealthy will still have access to quality healthcare. The victims of the Medicare for all will still be th e poor.

Please. If you think the ACA sux, just wait until Trumpcare takes over.

Billionaires get tax cuts. Folks at the low end of the food chain get the high hard one. It's yuge.

 

[packerfan79]

Please. If you think the ACA sux, just wait until Trumpcare takes over.

Billionaires get tax cuts. Folks at the low end of the food chain get the high hard one. It's yuge.

Agreed that's why government has no business in the healthcare. Government is for sale always.

 

[Genghis Kush]

"Medicaid: The budget proposes cutting Medicaid and CHIP, the Children's Health Insurance Program, by $616 billion over 10 years, with almost half the savings occurring in the last two years.

But it appears that the $616 billion number doesn't include the roughly $800 billion that would be cut from Medicaid funding by the House-passed version of the American Health Care Act.


The joint federal-state programs provide health care and support services for 75 million low-income, elderly and disabled people, about half of whom are children"

 

[Meraxes]

Figured this would bring things back to the topic at hand, just when you thought shooting someone in the head for a joint wasn't bad enough...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...tm_medium=facebook&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
Let's invite him over for some of that fantastic White House cake also...http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/24/trump-rodrigo-duterte-call-transcript-238758

 

[packerfan79]

"Medicaid: The budget proposes cutting Medicaid and CHIP, the Children's Health Insurance Program, by $616 billion over 10 years, with almost half the savings occurring in the last two years.

But it appears that the $616 billion number doesn't include the roughly $800 billion that would be cut from Medicaid funding by the House-passed version of the American Health Care Act.


The joint federal-state programs provide health care and support services for 75 million low-income, elderly and disabled people, about half of whom are children"

Again the government that has kept cannabis illegal, destroyed families is your savior. Do you not see the irony that the government you hate (rightfully so) due to archaic laws against cannabis, will somehow be the best source of health care. Do you not understand that government is the problem, not the solution.

 

[Genghis Kush]

37 million children living in fear without health care if they get their way


what is the solution to making sure that children never suffer from a lack of health care in America?

It is an inhuman and unacceptable situation in a country that spends so much on the military.

History shows that the wealthy will let them suffer.

Improving the ability of government to provided the security of health care is the only solution I see. We can improve the efficiency of government. We have no choice, its not going anywhere.

.

 

[packerfan79]

37 million children living in fear without health care if they get their way


what is the solution to making sure that children never suffer from a lack of health care in America?

History shows that the wealthy will let them suffer.

Improving the ability of government to provided the security of health care is the only solution I see. We can improve the efficiency of government. We have no choice, its not going anywhere.

I have dual citizenship with Great Britain, my entire family uses the National Health Service. My Aunt has cancer right now and she is receiving better care than she would in the US. I have seen it work.

If the government efficiency could be improved wouldn't it be the omnipotent Obama that would have made it happen?

If you think Great Britain is so amazing, why are you hear pushing your policies on a free country? with free elections. Policies of a monarchy have no place in a constitutionally limited representative democracy.

Why aren't you upset about Obama interfering in your elections? But you think, Putin or Trump doing the same is a crime. I don't see you calling for Obama's arrest.

Does your aunt have access to medical marijuana? I think not. American is the greatest country in the world bar none. If you don't feel the same it's best for you to seek a better life elsewhere.

 

[Genghis Kush]

I didnt vote for obama,not sure why you brought it up.

Its clear that you dont care about the poor, since you have done nothing but deflect my questions concerning their welfare.

nothing left to say if you dont have any answers

 

[packerfan79]

I didnt vote for obama,not sure why you brought it up.

I brought it up because no one had a problem when Obama used taxpayer dollars to influence foreign elections.

Its clear that you dont care about the poor, since you have done nothing but deflect my questions concerning their welfare.

Your numbers are great except a couple problems 1. Trump care isn't set in stone yet Senate will make changes.
2. You completely leave out the charitable hospitals and organizations such as the children's hospitals, and the shiners who provide care for all children at no cost.
3. You think that the next administration or 2 or 3 down th e line can't ration care? When you set a precident like government healthcare, you leave no protections from future leaders who may decide that conservatives, or liberals, or what ever group of people don't deserve the same care.

These facts skew your made up numbers.

If you think that I don't care about the poor, you obviously completely brainwashed. Your unending love of government is fundamentally flawed. Government in all forms is the most deadly weapon on the planet. Government has taken the lives of hundreds of millions of people.

Why is a deadly force like government not a problem, but a conservative who wants to limit said government doesn't care about children? Answer that question.

nothing left to say if you dont have any answers

I will wait for your response

 

[Genghis Kush]

1. I wrote " ..without health care if they get their way."
2. You are completely out of touch with reality if you think that everyone in rural america has access to such things.
3.There is no historical precedent for a modern first world government withholding health care from people based on political beliefs. Your fears are irrational.

Are you aware that the United States is the only modern industrialized country to deny their citizens health care?

check out this map of which countries provide health care and which do not:
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/

 

[gaiusmarius]

I said that because of overpopulation that people should only be able to have one child and you said that was immoral and lacked decency.

Sorry if you don't recall.
But, I am 100 % confident that you wrote that and that I responded by writing that you are not a moral authority.

You are the only mod that I have ever had an exchange with in a thread, and its the only time I have ever been called immoral in my life, so its easy for me to remember.

I'm not going to waste my time looking for the quote.
If you care about it then you should go looking for our exchange and you will see that I am not imagining this.


For the record, I was not offended, I only brought it up to point out that you engage in the same behavior.

this is boring me,

Im more interested in hearing why you think that denying suffering people help is acceptable?

sorry but thats bs, quote my post. i am sure i never called you immoral or anything else.

if you mean that i called the chinese one child policy immoral that maybe. but i never call people anything. i will discuss and criticize and even insult an IDEA maybe, but never the person. thats the whole point of a discussion remaining civilized.

really you can't keep inventing what you think i said. quote the post in question and if i ever called you immoral i will apologize right here and now for doing so. but you should apologize for false accusation if i didnt call you immoral. like i ever would dare to make judgments about someones morality...

 

[packerfan79]

1. I wrote " ..without health care if they get their way."
2. You are completely out of touch with reality if you think that everyone in rural america has access to such things.
3.There is no historical precedent for a modern first world government withholding health care from people based on political beliefs. Your fears are irrational.

Are you aware that the United States is the only modern industrialized country to deny their citizens health care?


check out this map of which countries provide health care and which don not:
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/

1.no one is denied healthcare that is against the law. You cannot be turned away from a hospital for not having insurance. If a hospital does you have a huge lawsuit against them.

2. Venezuela was one of the richest countries in the Western hemisphere, socialism takes over, now Only Maduro supporters recover a small ration of food, the rest starve. So yes there are 1st world countries who keep services from political opposition.

3. A government handout only breeds dependency. So today 37 million are poor, 10 years from now 100 million are poor, and then 160 million, and on and on. Meanwhilethose work and provide the taxes become less and less. Eventually the taxes become so high, No one works and the country descends into chaos. Now the government you love so much gets to put people to work by force. This is why communism/ socialism ALWAYS LEADS TO MILLIONS BEING SLAUGHTERED.

Answer this question. If you work and make less than someone on government assistance, due to taxes.are you going to keep working?

If you spend a small fortune on students loans becoming a Dr. Are you going to be ok with the patients who don't work making more than you?

2 questions I will wait for your answer.