Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[audiohi]

wow @Captain Red Eye is logical as fuck today

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Not my area of expertise. Hypogonadism.

Ok. Well that is a rare condition for a minor but either way, that is a birth defect you are trying to compare to an identity crisis which is based on an illogical fallacy

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Have you ever taken a 17 year old to have a medical procedure done?

Not to have their genitals amended. I might have with one of my kids when they were 17, twisted ankle maybe...can't remember exactly. They're 30 something adults now.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Not to have their genitals amended. I might have with one of my kids when they were 17, twisted ankle maybe...can't remember exactly. They're 30 something adults now.

Guaranteed you or the mother signed a CONSENT FORM for treatment

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Ok. Well that is a rare condition for a minor but either way, that is a birth defect you are trying to compare to an identity crisis which is based on an illogical fallacy

No, I'm trying to break away to clean my chimney. Also I can't find my special glove for my prehensile tail.

It's fucking chilly out there today. I may be back on later tonight.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

No, I'm trying to break away to clean my chimney. Also I can't find my special glove for my prehensile tail.

It's fucking chilly out there today. I may be back on later tonight.

We’re still getting pretty far away from the fact, we are letting minors mutilate their genitals and suppress the hormonal system for a condition that is based on a lie

 

[HempKat]

Those same countries depend on our consumer market to sell the goods they make. We are one of the biggest consumer markets in the world.

Apparently you're not too knowledgable of the BRICS block and what it's all about. The short version is that ever since Trump's last trade war and in the case of Russia and all the sanctions we've placed on them. They no longer view the US as a reliable trade partner. So they've been quietly establishing multilateral trade agreements amongst themselves. We might be the largest market in terms of one single country but all those countries combined make up a new market even larger then the US. We use to be China's largest importer for soy beans and corn, now China has cancelled their orders for those items and are now going to be getting them from Brazil. Which of course is a very painful blow to our farmers who usd to grow those crops for China. So they'll continue to need lots of government subsudies to keep from going bankrupt, just like they did in Trump's previous trade war with China.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

I disagree. Consent by definition is an individual thing, not something others can impose on you. Some people can and do consent to things which are unlawful.

Some laws attempt to redefine consent as being only things within the parameters of a legislative act.
But voting a blue sky is orange when it's really blue does not turn the sky orange by the magic of a law saying it is.

Our rights do not come from other people, nor does whether or not we as individuals actually consent or not.

Slaves as human beings were lawfully "unable to consent", that didn't mean they didn't have the ability to consent or not, it meant their owners used legal means to redefine the meaning of a word.

The force of a law isn't what determines actual consent. Again, weed smoking, all those times you torched one up when it was illegal...you consented to it I assume?

You remind me of someone. Are you Rob Roy from RIU?

 

[HempKat]

don't forget a regressive tax rate, you're right about those of us making chump change... shit, i will probably be completely and utterly broke under chump instead of barely scraping by like i am now...

Yeah, sounds like we're in roughly the same boat, except if Trump keeps going thru with the tariffs he's been threatening, food is going to get way more expensive then it was at the height of the recent inflationary period.

 

[Travis Kelcee]

Yeah, sounds like we're in roughly the same boat, except if Trump keeps going thru with the tariffs he's been threatening, food is going to get way more expensive then it was at the height of the recent inflationary period.

For the previous twenty years food prices had been increasingly controlled by Big Ag, and not by normal supply and demand. The commodity market became a ‘controlled market’. U.S. food outputs (farm production) was controlled and exported to keep the U.S. consumer paying optimal prices.


President Trump’s trade reset was disrupting this process. As farm products were less exported the cost of the food in our supermarket became reconnected to a ‘more normal’ supply and demand cycle. Food prices dropped and our pantry costs were lowered.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

Yeah, sounds like we're in roughly the same boat, except if Trump keeps going thru with the tariffs he's been threatening, food is going to get way more expensive then it was at the height of the recent inflationary period.

The tariffs thing is mostly a bargaining tool. It's already working and he's not even president yet. He's more a president than Biden right now. The Mexican president has already started helping stop migrants from coming here illegally. And so is Trudeau now. Did you hear about their meeting?

He also sent a message to Hamas. Shit is going to get real. You guys need to stop complaining and just enjoy the ride.

 

[HempKat]

Tariffs were targeted to specific sectors of imported products. [Steel, Aluminum, and a host of smaller sectors etc.] However, when the EU and China responded by devaluing their currency, that approach hit all products imported, not just the tariff goods.

Because the EU and China were driving up the value of the dollar, everything we were importing became cheaper. Not just imports from Europe and China, but actually imports from everywhere. All imports were entering the U.S. at substantially lower prices.

This meant when we imported products, we were also importing deflation.

This price result is exactly the opposite of what the economic experts and Wall Street pundits predicted back in 2017 and 2018 when they were pushing the rapid price increase narrative.

Because all the export dependent economies were reacting with such urgency to retain their access to the U.S. market, aggregate import prices were actually lower than they were when the Trump tariffs began


Drive down the cost of goods through expanded energy development, then leverage reciprocity in tariffs to end the exfiltration of wealth. Then cut out regulation and unleash American enterprise. This is the way to reverse this insufferable economic trajectory that creates a “service driven economy.”

That only works when the countries exporting to us continue to try and hold on to this market and it helps if the tariffs are on targeted items. That's not what Trumps has been talking about this time around. Now he's talking about across the board tariffs and at higher rates then before. It also helps if we al;ready have the means of producing the items we put tariffs on. With across the board tariffs that will affect things the we can't or don't produce at home. Now if the American manufacturers com back to the US and start producing here that will help to some degree but it will still cost more due to the raste we force companies to pay at. Also moves like that don't just happen overnight, it takes time and money to restablish manufacturing here that we've shipped overseas. It also depends on manufacturers actually coming back here. I've heard reports that countries who manufacture in China are now looking to places like Vietnam and Indonisiea to maintain low labor costs.

 

[HempKat]

Should the state then step in and stop this practice - even though the parents consent to it - and if so - what about male circumcision too? -

I'm not sure that's a fair comparrison as the practice of performing circumcissions on babies has proven to lead to better health outcomes and as far as i know there is no issue on circumcission causing infections or other problems wihen done on babies. It can however lead to those kind of problems when done on older males though, or at least that's what I've heard.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Apparently you're not too knowledgable of the BRICS block and what it's all about. The short version is that ever since Trump's last trade war and in the case of Russia and all the sanctions we've placed on them. They no longer view the US as a reliable trade partner. So they've been quietly establishing multilateral trade agreements amongst themselves. We might be the largest market in terms of one single country but all those countries combined make up a new market even larger then the US. We use to be China's largest importer for soy beans and corn, now China has cancelled their orders for those items and are now going to be getting them from Brazil. Which of course is a very painful blow to our farmers who usd to grow those crops for China. So they'll continue to need lots of government subsudies to keep from going bankrupt, just like they did in Trump's previous trade war with China.

Farmers have been getting government subsidies to grow certain crops for a long time. That program is never going to change.

If what your saying actually happens , which I don’t think it will, maybe those subsides can be used to incentivize farmers to grow actual food that can be marketed right here in this country.

I’m not sure how many farmers you know but I live in a cow town. There aren’t any poor farmers here. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[nepalnt21]

He also sent a message to Hamas

"hey hamas, i'm gonna help israel complete the ethnic cleansing even faster"

some message, can't wait to "enjoy the ride"...

 

[nepalnt21]

better health outcomes

please elaborate

 

[HempKat]

For the previous twenty years food prices had been increasingly controlled by Big Ag, and not by normal supply and demand. The commodity market became a ‘controlled market’. U.S. food outputs (farm production) was controlled and exported to keep the U.S. consumer paying optimal prices.


President Trump’s trade reset was disrupting this process. As farm products were less exported the cost of the food in our supermarket became reconnected to a ‘more normal’ supply and demand cycle. Food prices dropped and our pantry costs were lowered.

Maybe where you live food prices dropped during Trumps last trade war, it didn't drop where i live or anywhere else given how much more expensive food has gotten sinse then. I will grsant you though not all of that wass caused by tariffs, a lot of food prices have gone up in recent years due to animal disease and poor handling practices leading to major recalls of contaminated foods. Also in the first Trump trade war, as you pointed out it was just certain imports that were targeted. This time around Trump is proposing broader across the board tariffs.

 

[HempKat]

The tariffs thing is mostly a bargaining tool. It's already working and he's not even president yet. He's more a president than Biden right now. The Mexican president has already started helping stop migrants from coming here illegally. And so is Trudeau now. Did you hear about their meeting?

He also sent a message to Hamas. Shit is going to get real. You guys need to stop complaining and just enjoy the ride.

The Mexican cooperation on stopping illegal immigrants started with the Biden administration which is why the number of actual boarder crossing under Biden have been going down to levels lower then when Trump was in office the first time. It had zero to do with Trump's threats to Mexico which is why after their phone call where Trump tried to claim some sort of victory, the Mexican President made it a point to refute the way Trump was trying to make things sound. I'm sure you won't believe any of that though because you've been listening to inflate numbers where in some instances immigrants were counted multiple times to inflate the numbers.

I did hear that Trudea annd Trump had a dinner meeting but I've not heard anything suggesting Trudea is doing anything to stop migrants from coming into the US from Canada. Then again I've not heard any reliable reports of large umers of migrants crossing from the Canadian border either.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Maybe where you live food prices dropped during Trumps last trade war, it didn't drop where i live or anywhere else given how much more expensive food has gotten sinse then

That’s interesting. Where do you live ? Are you also saying that the recent hike in food prices is also trumps fault

 

[Travis Kelcee]

Maybe where you live food prices dropped during Trumps last trade war, it didn't drop where i live or anywhere else given how much more expensive food has gotten sinse then. I will grsant you though not all of that wass caused by tariffs, a lot of food prices have gone up in recent years due to animal disease and poor handling practices leading to major recalls of contaminated foods. Also in the first Trump trade war, as you pointed out it was just certain imports that were targeted. This time around Trump is proposing broader across the board tariffs.

This “universal baseline tariff” approach, is the policy that slays the dragons of the World Economic Forum, destroys the Beijing dragon and simultaneously ends the EU Marshal Plan advantage.

This is the economic policy blade to drive a stake through the vampire heart of corporatism, globalism and the exploitation of the U.S. economy by multinational corporate interests.

Not only will this system end our gaping trade deficits—and they are massive right now—and bring back millions of American jobs—it will also bring trillions and trillions of dollars pouring into the U.S. Treasury from foreign countries and allow us to invest that money in American workers, American families, and American communities.