Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[Hiddenjems]

Tariffs were targeted to specific sectors of imported products. [Steel, Aluminum, and a host of smaller sectors etc.] However, when the EU and China responded by devaluing their currency, that approach hit all products imported, not just the tariff goods.

Because the EU and China were driving up the value of the dollar, everything we were importing became cheaper. Not just imports from Europe and China, but actually imports from everywhere. All imports were entering the U.S. at substantially lower prices.

This meant when we imported products, we were also importing deflation.

This price result is exactly the opposite of what the economic experts and Wall Street pundits predicted back in 2017 and 2018 when they were pushing the rapid price increase narrative.

Because all the export dependent economies were reacting with such urgency to retain their access to the U.S. market, aggregate import prices were actually lower than they were when the Trump tariffs began


Drive down the cost of goods through expanded energy development, then leverage reciprocity in tariffs to end the exfiltration of wealth. Then cut out regulation and unleash American enterprise. This is the way to reverse this insufferable economic trajectory that creates a “service driven economy.”

I remember when the American economy turned the Soviet Union into a has been. Their state directed economy didn’t have a chance.

It’s hilarious to see people too young to remember or to brainwashed to change their minds try and direct us towards a more centralized state controlled economy.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Yes there have been long standing subsidies that usually involved paying farmers to not grow certain crops. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking specifically new subsidies that were instituted during the Trump trade wars where China stopped taking orders for crops (mostly soybean and corn) cauding much of the crops meant for China to go to waste. As a result they petitioned Trump for new subsidies to make up for their losses so that they could continue to be in business and plant new crops. If you want you can find numerous interviews with actual farmers where they discussed this in great detail.

Farmers are going to be just fine

 

[HempKat]

this is not true in any way . circumcision is mutilation and has never been essential

I never claimed that it was essential but if you bothered to do the research yourself you can find lots of reports from the Medical industry claiming that it is generally healthier for babies to be circumcised not long after birth which is why it has become so routine that parents don't have to requested for their children to be circumcised but rather they have to request they not be circumcised. At least that how it is here in the US, maybe it's different where you are from? Also this is nothing new, it's been that way here in the US for decades.

 

[Travis Kelcee]

Forbes seems to have a much different take on trade between the US and Mexico then what you're suggesting here. perhaps you're looking at old data?

"Mexico did more trade with the United States in 2023 that ever and it once again become the United States’ top trade partner, according to U.S. trade data released today.


U.S. trade fell slightly 3.85% in 2023, according to U.S. Census Bureau data. The $5.1 trillion total remains the second-greatest total on record, trailing only the $5.3 trillion total in 2022.



In addition to a new top trade partner, the nation has a new top port, a new leading export and a new leading import.


Port Laredo finished as the nation’s top port for the first time on the strength of its trade with Mexico, which replaced Canada as the nation’s top trade partner after two years.


The top U.S. export for the first time was oil, which replaced gasoline and other refined petroleum products. The top import was passenger vehicles, replacing oil.

The U.S. trade deficit, the difference between exports and imports, was $1.1 trillion, the third consecutive year above the $1 trillion mark. With trade having risen so rapidly in recent years, that’s not surprising."

U.S. Does More Trade With New No. 1 Mexico In 2023 Than Ever, Data Shows

U.S. trade fell about 3.9% in 2023, according to data released today. The $5.1 trillion total remains the second-greatest total on record, trailing only the 2022 total.

www.forbes.com

Mexico has now overtaken China as the largest seller to the United States.

That article makes my point about Mexico's dependency on US markets and the impact of tariffs on Mexico. The GDP numbers are correct and up to date.

Can you imagine how the multinational corporations are looking at this? They have funneled hundreds of billions in investments into Mexico, solely for the purpose of having access to the USA market. Sheinbaum can make all those investments disappear overnight and simultaneously collapse her government.

Cessation of all economic relations with Mexico would be extremely awesome for us. The only geopolitical downside would be the possibility of Russian or Chinese military bases in Mexico in a few years because Mexico would become impoverished and dirt cheap within weeks. Sheinbaum has no concept of the leverage in this dynamic.

 

[Travis Kelcee]

I remember when the American economy turned the Soviet Union into a has been. Their state directed economy didn’t have a chance.

It’s hilarious to see people too young to remember or to brainwashed to change their minds try and direct us towards a more centralized state controlled economy.

America used to impose tariffs on over 95% of all imports, and for decades the federal government took in over 80% of its revenue by taxing foreign producers through tariffs—not by taxing American workers and businesses.


BlackRock investment firm writes the regulatory and economic policy for Joe Biden’s administration. That’s the quid-pro-quo that maintains the Biden political financial operation. All of DC know it. No one does not know. The ones who claim they do not know about it are all pretending. Republicans take the background BlackRock bribes and pretend.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I remember when the American economy turned the Soviet Union into a has been. Their state directed economy didn’t have a chance.

Do you remember the wealth trickling down?

 

[HempKat]

These guys talk so tough about freedom but I remember who mandated vaccines that didn’t even prevent transmission

Where is your proof on this? Again I don't know how it was where you are but vaccines for Covid-19 were never mandated where I am. They were strongly encouraged and if one didn't get them they could be resticted from certain activities but everyone always had the choice to not get the vaccine. From the beginning of the pandemic until when Biden took over and made the vaccines readily available, death totals from Covid-19 totalled over one million. After the vaccines started to be distributed the death rates steadily declined until we finally reached the point that the pandemic was considered to be over. Your beelief that th vaccines didn't stop transmission is because you fail to understand how viruses work. The specific form of the virus the vaccines were for did work. In response, in an efffort to survive, the virus mutated to a new varient that required additional vaccines hence all the boster shots. I don't know what varient they're saaying is out there currently but during the course of the pandemic until now there have been at least 4 variants that I've heard of and that's not including any that may have developed in the past year.

 

[HempKat]

Farmers are going to be just fine

That's not what I've seen in interviews with farmers since Trump announced his latest tariff plans. They seem pretty worried to me. But hey they next time i see one I tell them that some guy name eastcoastjoe assures me they'll be just fine. I'm sure they'll be relieved to hear that.

 

[Hiddenjems]

Do you remember the wealth trickling down?

I remember bread lines in the Soviet Union. Our system was proven vastly superior to theirs.

 

[Hiddenjems]

That's not what I've seen in interviews with farmers since Trump announced his latest tariff plans. They seem pretty worried to me. But hey they next time i see one I tell them that some guy name eastcoastjoe assures me they'll be just fine. I'm sure they'll be relieved to hear that.

Weird. Cattle farmers by me are excited about the coming administration.

Under Biden beef prices at the store increased wildly. The farmers raising the cattle didn’t see any of that increase.

Small family farms and markets are already selling beef way cheaper than national chains around here. Been that way for a while.

 

[HempKat]

I was going to dig up annual encounters but I’m not wasting my time

I'm glad you didn't that's where close scrutiny of those numbers revealled that immigrants were being counted multiple times. I'm guess you just saw that the numbers matched what you wanted to believe and didn't bother to look any deeper.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

I remember bread lines in the Soviet Union. Our system was proven vastly superior to theirs.

Me neither.

 

[HempKat]

yep.... remember going places, and u had better be carrying your vac card...

Funny, I was given on of those cards when I got my first and only round of vaccinations and never once was asked by anyone to show it.

 

[HempKat]

I remember bread lines in the Soviet Union. Our system was proven vastly superior to theirs.

Yeah, I remember those too....from over 50 years ago when i was still in grade school. News flash, things are different now.

 

[mean mr.mustard]

America used to impose tariffs on over 95% of all imports, and for decades the federal government took in over 80% of its revenue by taxing foreign producers through tariffs—not by taxing American workers and businesses.


BlackRock investment firm writes the regulatory and economic policy for Joe Biden’s administration. That’s the quid-pro-quo that maintains the Biden political financial operation. All of DC know it. No one does not know. The ones who claim they do not know about it are all pretending. Republicans take the background BlackRock bribes and pretend.

Black Rock was around 111 years ago?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Where is your proof on this? Again I don't know how it was where you are but vaccines for Covid-19 were never mandated where I am. They were strongly encouraged and if one didn't get them they could be resticted from certain activities but everyone always had the choice to not get the vaccine. From the beginning of the pandemic until when Biden took over and made the vaccines readily available, death totals from Covid-19 totalled over one million. After the vaccines started to be distributed the death rates steadily declined until we finally reached the point that the pandemic was considered to be over. Your beelief that th vaccines didn't stop transmission is because you fail to understand how viruses work. The specific form of the virus the vaccines were for did work. In response, in an efffort to survive, the virus mutated to a new varient that required additional vaccines hence all the boster shots. I don't know what varient they're saaying is out there currently but during the course of the pandemic until now there have been at least 4 variants that I've heard of and that's not including any that may have developed in the past year.

The covid Jab did NOT prevent transmission. Many healthcare workers, teachers, federal employees, lost their jobs due to vaccine mandates

 

[HempKat]

Weird. Cattle farmers by me are excited about the coming administration.

Under Biden beef prices at the store increased wildly. The farmers raising the cattle didn’t see any of that increase.

Small family farms and markets are already selling beef way cheaper than national chains around here. Been that way for a while.

Well first of all, around here when someone says farmer they're not talking about people that raise beef, we call those ranchers. Second the Biden Administration doesn't control beef prices.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

That's not what I've seen in interviews with farmers since Trump announced his latest tariff plans. They seem pretty worried to me. But hey they next time i see one I tell them that some guy name eastcoastjoe assures me they'll be just fine. I'm sure they'll be relieved to hear that.

How many farmers do you know ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I'm glad you didn't that's where close scrutiny of those numbers revealled that immigrants were being counted multiple times. I'm guess you just saw that the numbers matched what you wanted to believe and didn't bother to look any deeper.

Of course

 

[HempKat]

The covid Jab did NOT prevent transmission. Many healthcare workers, teachers, federal employees, lost their jobs due to vaccine mandates

If they did it was because they made the choice to not get the vaccine. it's not really a mandate if you can just choose to ignore it.