Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[Captain Red Eye]

Same way illicit drugs are illegal because of public safety ?

Not sure if your question is meant to be rhetorical or not.

At least some drugs are illegal so the "right" people will make money. Public safety would increase if people were free to make their own choices about what they do with their own bodies.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I'm more concerned if something is rightful or not.

So am I. That’s why I keep asking all you pro freedom guys to talk about why it’s a good idea or let’s discuss safety. All I ever hear is choice. Never anything about well-being of the minor

 

[armedoldhippy]

and any implications considered seriously -

a child is largely subject to its parents desires/whims until a certain age. a preponderance of medical folks think that being circumsized is a healthier choice than not, and explain (which i have no doubt about) that doing it as a baby is MUCH less traumatic/painful than undergoing the procedure as an adult. sometines conditions arise that make it necessary even as an adult such as phimosis etc. i have endured this condition off and on, and if i was a (much!) younger man, i'd say "fuck yeah, cut that puppy..."

 

[Captain Red Eye]

Are you saying you agree they are harmful ?

I said many posts back "harmful" can be subjective. I'll allow by what I consider harmful, they could be.

Although that keeps bringing me back to the idea one persons displeasure is another persons pleasure etc.
Knowing that I hesitate to forcibly prevent people from doing some things I don't think I'd do, if they confine it to themselves or the people they have control over.

I lean more towards parents having control than I do government.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Not sure if your question is meant to be rhetorical or not.

At least some drugs are illegal so the "right" people will make money. Public safety would increase if people were free to make their own choices about what they do with their own bodies.

I’m sure heroin was made illegal so big pharma could make more money

 

[armedoldhippy]

Not sure if your question is meant to be rhetorical or not.

At least some drugs are illegal so the "right" people will make money. Public safety would increase if people were free to make their own choices about what they do with their own bodies.

no arguments here.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I said many posts back "harmful" can be subjective. I'll allow by what I consider harmful, they could be.

Although that keeps bringing me back to the idea one persons displeasure is another persons pleasure etc.
Knowing that I hesitate to forcibly prevent people from doing some things I don't think I'd do, if they confine it to themselves or the people they have control over.

I lean more towards parents having control than I do government.

This is not a matter of subjectivity. It’s a clear question with clear answers

 

[Captain Red Eye]

I’m sure heroin was made illegal so big pharma could make more money

Not sure if that is literal or good natured sarcasm.

Many things which are made illegal aren't done out of safety concerns, they are done to ensure the right people make money.

For instance it's both wrong and coincidentally illegal for us (you and me) to murder people. It would be wrong even if it weren't illegal. Yet, murdering people isn't illegal for governments to do, they just change what they call it to "war" or "collateral damage" and it magically becomes okay. Knowing that is admittedly one reason I'm hesitant to want them being the final say on other matters. I am biased.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

This is not a matter of subjectivity. It’s a clear question with clear answers

Okay. If it's clear to you, will you be galloping in guns a blazing and right the wrongs perpetrated on the children if the law isn't changed to your satisfaction?

Okay, another example to lighten things up...

What if a young fellow of 17 goes to a hospital that is located right on a State border and his physical position literally has half his body in one State saying he can't alter his genitalia, but the other half of his body is located in one that says he can. Then because he gets aroused, a little bit of his banana peeks into the can't cut it State....what then? I bet that's the only time that kid wishes his dick was smaller!

 

[shiva82]

I’m sure heroin was made illegal so big pharma could make more money

heroin was named' heroin' as a wonderdrug substitute for the morphine pandemic .... it was legal , and prescribed by doctors. still is prescribed under generic names . it was previously sold over the counter though

big pharma invented it and produced the addicts

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Not sure if that is literal or good natured sarcasm.

Many things which are made illegal aren't done out of safety concerns, they are done to ensure the right people make money.

For instance it's both wrong and coincidentally illegal for us (you and me) to murder people. It would be wrong even if it weren't illegal. Yet, murdering people isn't illegal for governments to do, they just change what they call it to "war" or "collateral damage" and it magically becomes okay. Knowing that is admittedly one reason I'm hesitant to want them being the final say on other matters. I am biased.

Just like not all legal things are good. This being a great example. So these kids are collateral damage ? Nice way to make your point.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Okay. If it's clear to you, will you be galloping in guns a blazing and right the wrongs perpetrated on the children if the law isn't changed to your satisfaction?

What is clear to me is these procedures are harmful to the body. It’s hard to dispute.

 

[Captain Red Eye]

You said 17 year old, I said minors.

My point was a given 17 year old would be considered a minor regarding consent in one location, but a few inches over into another jurisdiction he would not be unable to give consent. That is why I disagreed with your assertion the law determines consent. Those laws conflict with each other, they both can't be right.




Anyway, I have to go up and clean my chimney soon. I'm really glad I was born with a prehensile tail and my parents didn't cut it off, makes the job so much safer.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

My point was a given 17 year old would be considered a minor regarding consent in one location, but a few inches over into another jurisdiction he would not be unable to give consent. That is why I disagreed with your assertion the law determines consent. Those laws conflict with each other, they both can't be right

He can’t consent either way

 

[Captain Red Eye]

What is clear to me is these procedures are harmful to the body. It’s hard to dispute.

If a person is born with previous indications of alterations to their hormones, (not sure if that's the right word, but you get my drift) which seems to be occurring with some kids these days, they could think going in one direction or another is a good alternative.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

If a person is born with previous indications of alterations to their hormones, (not sure if that's the right word, but you get my drift) which seems to be occurring with some kids these days, they could think going in one direction or another is a good alternative.

How can a baby be born with “previous hormonal alterations “. Not sure I understand what you’re trying to say

 

[eastcoastjoe]

they could think going in one direction or another is a good alternative

Do you think healthy bones are essential for a kids development ?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

He can’t consent either way

Wait, you're saying no 17 year old could ever possibly consent to something, even if in that jurisdiction the law said he could?

I'm a little confused now on what your position is.

I consented to as much sex as I could at 17. Was I raping myself ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Wait, you're saying no 17 year old could ever possibly consent to something, even if in that jurisdiction the law said he could?

I'm a little confused now on what your position is.

I consented to as much sex as I could at 17. Was I raping myself ?

Have you ever taken a 17 year old to have a medical procedure done?

 

[Captain Red Eye]

How can a baby be born with “previous hormonal alterations “. Not sure I understand what you’re trying to say

Not my area of expertise. Hypogonadism.