Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[HempKat]

It would be more accurate and specific to name this thing Obama Derangement Syndrome.

That's what Trump has and of course he's passed it on to most of his supporters. Seems to be fairly contagious to people who have the pre-existing condition of wearing stuff that says, MAGA. Trump and many of his supporters seem to think Trump has actually been running against Obama the last couple of elections. At best some seem to think Biden is just a puppet with Obama pulling the strings.

 

[HempKat]

I hav been thinking about a topic which you hear about quite often when you listen to voters talk about their views regarding current political news. What I'm talking about is the idea of always voting for one political party (commonly the one we ourselves identify with). There are many reasons people do this ranging from it's the party that their family has always voted for to it's the party that represents the political views that we agree with the most.

Now naturally when we become so entrenched in voting for one party or another we begin to see the other party as the opposition or the enemy which in turn makes us even more likely to vote the party line. Now I myself registered based on one of the reasons I mentioned which is going with the party that every other member of my family goes with. Over time I began to feel that this party also represented the values I most believe in, although not always. Which means there have been times when where I wondered if maybe I should switch to independent since there are times I don't have the same views of the party I'm registered to but it's never been so radically different I felt I was more alligned with the other side, at least not in my lifetime. Ultimately I decided it didn't really matter because the party I'm registered to has no real bearing on who I ultimately vote for unless I allow myself to fall into the thinking that I must vote the party line and/or the other side is necessarily the enemy.

Now for anyone that hasn't already guessed what party I'm registered to based on the comments I typically make, I'm registered as a Democrat. That being said I don't feel that forces me to always vote Democrat and in fact there are several times I have voted Republican in my lifetime because I felt the Republican candidates were offering the better more realistic choice as to what was better for the country or in the case of local elections what was better for my State, County or City. Now I will admit this doesn't happen very often especially in the past decade or so because I've usually found the Democrat candidates had the better and more realistic vision, even when sometimes there might have been one or two items in that vision that I didn't agree with. For example I didn't agree with the idea of completely forgiving student debt. I did agree that with the amount one needs to borrow to complete a degree and the way repayment was structured it did create a burden that interfered with other areas of life that a young adult out of college is confronted with. However the fact is every student knew in advanced generally how much they needed to borrow and how difficult it might be to pay back. Ultimately though a loan is a contract one makes with the lender and therefore is required to honor or face the penalties if they breach that contract. The error students made was that they counted too much on the degree they earned as being a guarentee of the high level income they thought they would be earning. Unfortunately for them having a degree only helps to get that big salary but there are many other factors that go into getting the job that provides that salary. Therefore not being able to get that job is not a fair basis for forgiving that debt. I mean there is no other loan scenario that will forgive you your debt and let you keep the thing that loan made possible. Nobody ever got a home loan to buy a $500,000 house because they thought they would get a job that would making repaying that loan possible only to end up not getting that job and then had the loan forgiven but they got to keep the house. Nor did anyone ever get a loan to buy a high-end vehicle based on expectations of a high-end job but then got the loan forgiven and got to keep the vehicle when the job didn't come thru. So why should a student loan be treated any differently? Sure society and especially the colleges might have helped paint an unrealistic picture of what getting the degree they got might do for them, what doors it might open but it was never made as a promise and it's not the lenders fault that the student counted on getting something that was never guarenteed. Yet even though student debt forgiveness was something Democrats promised to make happen, that one thing I disagreed with was not enough to make me decide to vote Republican. Especially since the Republican candidates running when Student Debt was on the ballot had so many things they were proposing that I also disagreed with like building a wall on our Southern border, or cutting Social Security and Medicare to reduce the debt while simultaneously giving generous tax cuts that only benefitted the wealthy.

The point to all this being that we shouldn't just vote the party line based on the party we're registered to but rather we should take an honest and fair look at what all the candidates are proposing and then vote for the one we feel is offering the best plan for all of the voters and vote for that candidate even if they represent the a party other then the one we are registered to.

There is another reason though to not just automatically vote for the candidate that matches the party we are registered to and that reason is that over time the values that the party represents can change. So much so that they begin to look like the other side or even something much worse. That's how it was back in the days of slavery and why it was a republican President that freed the slaves and why it was mostly democrats that wanted to keep slavery and ultimately tried to leave the government and form their own government and engage in a civil war to resist freeing the slaves.

People who identify as Republicans are or at least should be finding themselves just as conflicted with their party these days as modern Democrats would have felt back in the days of the civil war. I mean if you're the traditional conservative, small government Republican of the Reagan era then the values of today's Democrats are just as different as they were back in the days of Reagan but you should still value the system of government we were given by our forefathers that is protected by the Constitution. Yet the modern MAGA Republicans want to promote a candidate that wants to do away with the constitution and bring about an Authoritarian style of government. They want to enact a plan that on day one will use the military to quell the protests (which are protected by the first amendment) that they are sure will happen if their candidate gets elected. They want to round up people who are legal citizens but who represent ethnic groups they don't like, put them in concentration camps and ultimately deport them. So if you vote Republican just because you are registered republican and therefore don't like democrats then you'll not be sticking to the values you claim to hold dear but rather will be voting to destroy the government you think you are patriotic to, in favor of something that will be closer to Hitler's Nazi Germany then it is to the government our country was fonded on.

So in this next election in 2024 I hope and pray you can remain loyal to the principals you claim to hold dear and resist voting for this country that the MAGA Republicans want to bring about. I hope you take a long hard look at the plan they have in mind known as Project 2025 and recognize it's about as unpatriotic as it gets and ultimately will not benefit the average Republican but rather just the wealthy elite who wants to force their view of how things should be, down your throats whether you like it or not.

‘Project 2025’: Heritage Foundation helms right-wing coalition in drafting playbook to overhaul U.S. government on ‘Day 1’ of next Republican presidency

"We need to flood the zone with conservatives," said Paul Dans, director of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project.

www.marketwatch.com

 

[HempKat]

Given all the things that are going against Trump and all the things that are completely out in the open and not possible to be dismissed as fake news, because they are coming directly out of Trump's mouth when he gives speeches and/or are written clearly in his posts on his own social media platform, it is difficult for me to believe so many of his supporters still see him as a viable candidate for the Presidency. Especially when he talks about all the changes he plans to make if he is re-elected and/or what we plans to do with those he considers as enemies or as people who have betrayed him.

I can only imagine that those people still supporting him thinks that what he has openly said he plans to do to such people will never effect them because they are on his side and therefore they aren't included in Trump's revenge agenda. To all of these people I would simply remind you to take a look at all the people who were once loyal to Trump only to be thrown under the bus the moment they became no longer useful to him or showed the slightest sign of turning against him or defying his wishes. Now I won't make a list of all the people that includes because the list would be impossibly long. Suffice it to say there is not a single person that was once on the Trump train but decided to get off for one reason or another, even if just for self preservation. I will point out one example which is Jenna Ellis, a former attorney of his that was instrumental in going around helping to spread the election fraud lies and in so doing helped to set the stage for the Jan 6th attack on the capital. If you recall not to long ago she tried to reach out to Trump to seek help in paying for legal support when she began to face criminal indictment for the previously mentioned support. He basically ignored her and left her hanging to deal with her legal troubles on her own. This left her little choice but to seek whatever deal she could make for herself to avoid going to jail. She is now on the list of enemies Trump is actively threatening along with Sidney Powell. All he had to do to keep her on his side was to provide her with the legal support that he is providing many others and without any of the cost coming out of his own pocket but rather thru funds donated to his PAC from people like yourselves. I can only imagine the reason he is being so stingy with other people's money is because he wants to keep it all for himself since he is facing so much legal trouble of his own. I'm willing to bet that had he provided her with the help she asked for she would still be on his side rather then having made a plea deal and be willing to testify against Trump. Clearly even before she made any deals Trump concluded she was no longer useful and therefore could throw her under the bus with all the others who had once been loyal to Trump. Remember with Trump it's not about what you have done for him but what you have done for him lately. If people like yourselves are successful at electing him into office, the day after he is sworn into office you will be obsolete to him and he will throw you all under the buss just as quickly if you decide you don't like anything he does at that point because once he's back in office it will be his second term and once it's over he won't be eligible again. More likely though it will be because he'll do away with our whole system and make himself supreme ruler of the land.

Another thing I would remind any of you especially those of you who are members of this website, is Trump's views of people who use and sell drugs and how much he admires leaders of other countries like Duterte of the Philippines who put thousands of even petty drug dealers to death for their crimes or like the zero tolerence thru the death penalty for drug dealers in China. He is on record for saying publically, “You want to solve your drug problem, you have to institute a meaningful death penalty for… a drug dealer”

MSN

 

[HempKat]

I was watching a report talking about the brilliance of one of the Jan 6th people who had plead guilty but was not yet sentenced. He finally made it to sentencing Tuesday and ended up recieving about 4 times the sentencing the courts were originally going to give him. The reason being that along the way to sentencing he skip several hearing dates. At some point he decided to throw a fit saying that his case was an absolute clown show of a prosecution. He also berated the judge and eventually suggested he should issue a citizens arrest against the judge. Of course his rant was laced with profanities and somewhere in the mix he threatened the prosecutor. Amazingly, despite all that they let him stay out on bound but the judge warned him that if he didn't show up for sentencing he would issue a warrant and the US Marshals would come bring him in. To which he started going off about the whole Soveriegn Citizen thing, how he felt the court wasn't legitimate and that the Marshals should arrest the judge not him. Well when it came time for his sentencing he didn't show up thereby forcing the court to issue a bench warrant and to have Marshals track him down and drag him to court. Which caused him to sit in jail until Tuesday. Now originally the courts were going to go pretty easy on him and just give him 21 days but due to his outburst in court and because he didn't show up for his sentencing the prosecution recommended a 4 month sentence. The judge told him, “Your behavior from the moment of the (guilty) plea until sentencing has been about the worst of any January 6th defendant I’ve had” The judge then sentenced him to 90 days but gave him credit for the 30 days he sat in jail awaiting the new sentencing hearing.

Now it seems pretty clear to me he got the courage to behave the way he did from the way Trump has been behaving and was copying Trump's courtroom behavior. Had he just kept his mouth shut after pleading guilty and shown up on time for his sentencing he would have done less time then he did waiting for the new sentencing hearing and this all would be behind him, rather then having to go back to jail and remain there thru the holidays.

Capitol rioter who berated a judge and insulted a prosecutor is sentenced to 3 months in jail

Frank Rocco Giustino pleaded guilty in February to a misdemeanor charge related to the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol.

apnews.com

This got me to thinking about how stupid Trump's behavior has been and about how much his trouble has increased thanks to all the death threats and other nasty messages his followers have been sendng to various court members in several of the cases Trump is facing. Which in turn has led one judge to rule that he believes Trump did incite a riot and how an appellate court looking at the gag order from the NY Civil Fraud case is now considering strengthening the gag order because of hundreds of credible threats the judge and his clerk have recieved from Trump supporters. Trump is too stupid to see he's just digging a deeper hole for himself and his moron supporters who think they're helping him are likely to get Trump locked up sooner then later if they keep reacting to what Trump has been saying, by threatening people or in the case of Pelosi's husband attacking people.

 

[HempKat]

I hope everyone that celebrated the day had a very Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[Zeez]

Carter's funeral service was Chumpless today.
In his appreciated absence he sent the first Serbian hoe who had to face the Luke warm welcome.

 

[HempKat]

Carter's funeral service was Chumpless today.
In his appreciated absence he sent the first Serbian hoe who had to face the Luke warm welcome.

I bet he just got confused...er I mean sarcastic, and thought it was McCain's Funeral he was avoiding.

 

[HempKat]

If you don't do this already, start paying close attention to the motions Trump files in these various court cases he's facing. They're really quite revealing and also show how desperate he's getting. For example in a motion he filed just before Thanksgiving Trump's lawyers essentially stipulated that Trump was lying about the election fraud and knew he was lying and therefore since the first amendment also allows people to lie the whole case should be dismissed. Unfortunately he isn't charged with lying he's charged with the actions he conspired in with others to overturn the election, so his motion was rejected. In a more recent motion Trump is now saying that his claims of election fraud stem from his concern that the election fraud was the result of interference from other countries like Russa, China, Iran and Cuba. As if any of those countries would tip the election in Biden's favor when they could have help Trump win, who has proven that he can be manipulatd simply by flattering his ego. Of course in the case of Russia they only interfered in the election he lost. He still maintains that Russia had no hand in the election he won. I mean come on, only Trump can make this kind of shit up.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

If you don't do this already, start paying close attention to the motions Trump files in these various court cases he's facing. They're really quite revealing and also show how desperate he's getting. For example in a motion he filed just before Thanksgiving Trump's lawyers essentially stipulated that Trump was lying about the election fraud and knew he was lying and therefore since the first amendment also allows people to lie the whole case should be dismissed. Unfortunately he isn't charged with lying he's charged with the actions he conspired in with others to overturn the election, so his motion was rejected. In a more recent motion Trump is now saying that his claims of election fraud stem from his concern that the election fraud was the result of interference from other countries like Russa, China, Iran and Cuba. As if any of those countries would tip the election in Biden's favor when they could have help Trump win, who has proven that he can be manipulatd simply by flattering his ego. Of course in the case of Russia they only interfered in the election he lost. He still maintains that Russia had no hand in the election he won. I mean come on, only Trump can make this kind of shit up.

And only his supporters will believe him. Everybody else sees him for what he is - a scared little man.

 

[HempKat]

And only his supporters will believe him. Everybody else sees him for what he is - a scared little man.

Yeah and what's encouraging is that lately I'm seeing lots of reports of people that either believed his lies or at least looked the other way when he told them, are starting to speak out against him. Even a few of his typical supporters, although not enough to get too excited about, still it's encouraging to see at least a few of them step back from the edge of the abyss. The one I was most excited about was this evangelical leader in the state of Iowa.. I mean his chances of winning are very small but if he loses his evangelical support then he's definitely toast.

Another good bit of news this week were stories of how much financial trouble the Republican party in general is in and that the big money doners aren't donating like usual. I mean the RNC has only about 14 Million which is like half of where they're usually at in past years when they're at this point before a major election. Then there is Michigan which only has like $35,00 in their accounts. Those were the ones mentioned specifically in the report I heard but I know there are at least 3 or 4 more States that are even worse off then Michigan. There's also the Koch Foundation who are now backing Nikki Haley. They had already back away from Trump and were favoring DeSantis for a while but apparently they see him as a losing bet and decided to now support Haley. I don't think any of them stand a chance of winning but I'm happy to see as many of them as possible stay in the race for the Nominee position because the more that does that means the less there will be for Trump. I think Trump will still end up with the nomination but if the support for others gets stronger and his numbers start to tank then I can see him panic and start to get sloppier then usual. Which if nothing else should be fun to watch.

 

[Zeez]

I bet he just got confused...er I mean sarcastic, and thought it was McCain's Funeral he was avoiding.

He knew he was not welcomed with previous presidents there. Carter was concerned with helping people. Quite the opposite of Chump.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Minneapolis has a YIMBY message for America: Build more houses and get rid of suburban-style zoning and inflation will disappear

“There is no more effective way to rein in inflation than to expand the supply of affordable housing and increase housing affordability,” says Moody’s chief economist Mark Zandi.

fortune.com

 

[buzzmobile]

Alleged family values

Sexual Assault, Secret Throuple: New Allegations Against Florida GOP Power Couple

Christian Ziegler faces a sexual battery investigation amid reports of a three-way relationship. His wife, Bridget Ziegler, who was reportedly part of the throuple, has been a vocal supporter of the state's "don't say gay" law.

www.yahoo.com

 

[audiohi]

I like this headline

 

[GOT_BUD?]

GOP Melts Down As Dick Durbin Uses Their Tactics For Advancing Biden Judges

"It's called precedent," the Senate Judiciary Committee chair said of violating the same rule that Republicans ignored to move forward with judicial nominees.

www.huffpost.com

 

[armedoldhippy]

payback's a bitch.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

And George is GONE!!!

 

[armedoldhippy]

have they voted him out, really? good riddance. there is no place in the GOP for lying money-grubbing pieces of shit...except as their candidate for POTUS.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

have they voted him out, really? good riddance. there is no place in the GOP for lying money-grubbing pieces of shit...except as their candidate for POTUS.

And the rest of Congress?

It's now being reported that if you watch the footage of the vote, at the 3 minute mark you can hear a chuckle in the room. Apparently George got all pissy when he realized he was getting booted, grabbed his coat and left.

 

[Zeez]

have they voted him out, really? good riddance. there is no place in the GOP for lying money-grubbing pieces of shit...except as their candidate for POTUS.

AttaBoy Georgie!
Chump was way worse.