Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[audiohi]

lol.

times running out to prove something.

 

[moose eater]

Yes, yes, virtually everyone knows, at least those participating in this thread, that they games you describe do in fact take place on both sides and has been for many many years, You talk like you're the only one aware of this. The problem with it, as it applies to the ACA, is why did the republicans just attempt to cripple the bill (and mostly fail in the process) when they could have just stopped the whole thing rather then just key parts of it? I mean the republicans didn't want any of it and they spent pretty much all of their political capital for several years afterwards trying to undo it and failed. Surely the doners from the Insurance industry didn't like the removal of no pre-existing conditions or the change they people could keep their children covered well into their 20's. It didn't mess them up as much as a public option but it still had to eat into the profits of the insurance providers? So why not just stop all of it or strip out those elements too? The Democrats still could have said "Well we tried..." and the republicans could have prevented something they didn't want. Instead by letting what they did, get thru, they lost support of millions of republican voters that also likee the changes they didn't block. Which made it infinitely more of a problem to get rid of it afterwards.

Like I said, if the goal was to hurt the democrats they could have been more effective if they had allowed the public option to stay and thereby cost the democrats some of their largest political donations. Unless of course there was far more to it and it wasn't just the simple slight of hand you're trying to make it out to be.

I talked like I'm the only one aware? Did I?

Less ego, more Midol.

 

[Microbeman]

I'm the only one aware?

yes; of course

 

[moose eater]

yes; of course

I thought I merely spoke in detail as to the phenomenon being discussed, based on what I know and have witnessed for decades.

There was no exclusive proprietary attitude whatsoever.

Just sayin'.

And yes, both parties do that disingenuous dance of 'hopium' to smear the other party and to mislead their more gullible constituency. Been on display for years, and all one has to do is assess the probability of a far-reaching promise actually making it into legislation based on numbers and platforms to include current stand-offs, and it avoids the entire fruitless waiting period during which the more partisan and gullible at heart wait for the non-existent Nirvana to arrive..

Ed McMahon and the chicks in bikinis with the giant cardboard check ain't coming. We can take off the formal attire and go ahead and light the barbie.

Congress is controlled by special interests/corporate lobbies and those who find ways to skirt their comeuppance as related to polling. Two of the few things they do actually dance to.

But most people who have been serious about politics already know these things.... not just me.
Thus, there was never any need to, nor did I, imply that I had some unique grasp of these issues.

"It's the best government money can buy."

 

[Microbeman]

I thought I merely spoke in detail as to the phenomenon being discussed, based on what I know and have witnessed for decades.

There was no exclusive proprietary attitude whatsoever.

Just sayin'.

And yes, both parties do that disingenuous dance of 'hopium' to smear the other party and to mislead their more gullible constituency. Been on display for years, and all one has to do is assess the probability of a far-reaching promise actually making it into legislation based on numbers and platforms to include current stand-offs, and it avoids the entire fruitless waiting period during which the more partisan and gullible at heart wait for the non-existent Nirvana to arrive..

Ed McMahon and the chicks in bikinis with the giant cardboard check ain't coming. We can take off the formal attire and go ahead and light the barbie.

Congress is controlled by special interests/corporate lobbies and those who find ways to skirt their comeuppance as related to polling. Two of the few things they do actually dance to.

But most people who have been serious about politics already know these things.... not just me.
Thus, there was never any need to, nor did I, imply that I had some unique grasp of these issues.

"It's the best government money can buy."

my post was a joke. look at what I quoted

 

[moose eater]

my post was a joke. look at what I quoted

I wasn't sure, so I did the typical thing I'm prone to doing; explained in as broad and detailed a manner as possible.

Thanks.

 

[HempKat]

I talked like I'm the only one aware? Did I?

Less ego, more Midol.

My apologies, I thought I was responding to a message from Cannavore since he was the one with whom I was discussing the ACA with and what the motives of the politicians involved might have been. Your reply, at the point you made it, seemed like a response he might have made. So I unfortunately didn't pay attention to who actually made the comment.

That apology being made, like I was saying, the idea of politicians on both sides of the aisle playing those kinds of word games is pretty common knowledge at least among the participants of this thread and anyone here that acts like they aren't well aware of that aspect of congressional politics is being deliberately obtuse and therefore an explaination of how that sort of thing goes on is really unnecessary.

I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to realize that so while I'm sorry I apparently offended you with my comment I'm really surprised you took offense. Perhaps you need the Midol and ego check more then you think I do?

 

[moose eater]

My apologies, I thought I was responding to a message from Cannavore since he was the one with whom I was discussing the ACA with and what the motives of the politicians involved might have been. Your reply, at the point you made it, seemed like a response he might have made. So I unfortunately didn't pay attention to who actually made the comment.

That apology being made, like I was saying, the idea of politicians on both sides of the aisle playing those kinds of word games is pretty common knowledge at least among the participants of this thread and anyone here that acts like they aren't well aware of that aspect of congressional politics is being deliberately obtuse and therefore an explaination of how that sort of thing goes on is really unnecessary.

I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to realize that so while I'm sorry I apparently offended you with my comment I'm really surprised you took offense. Perhaps you need the Midol and ego check more then you think I do?

Your reply indicates precisely what I both pointed to and objected to.

Whether it was for me or for Cannavore, to assess pomposity of unique knowledge where there was none would point to your ego being of issue, not mine.

When I fuck up and malign someone over something that wasn't done by them, I typically simply apologize.

But deflection and projection seems to be the walk of the way these days, more often than not, so....

The more we have a world in which people are unwilling to humble themselves appropriately, the longer there will be unresolved issues to serve as fodder in the Speaker's Corner.

I have no mandate to interact in this or any other threads.

The fact that humanity is a disappointing species in many or most regards, is proven true nearly every day.

Take a number.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Your reply indicates precisely what I both pointed to and objected to.

Whether it was for me or for Cannavore, to assess pomposity of unique knowledge where there was none would point to your ego being of issue, not mine.

When I fuck up and malign someone over something that wasn't done by them, I typically simply apologize.

But deflection and projection seems to be the walk of the way these days, more often than not, so....

The more we have a world in which people are unwilling to humble themselves appropriately, the longer there will be unresolved issues to serve as fodder in the Speaker's Corner.

I have no mandate to interact in this or any other threads.

The fact that humanity is a disappointing species in many or most regards, is proven true nearly every day.

Take a number.

We can agree on 99% of things, but will die on 1% we disagree on. Seems really dumb when you look at it like that, doesn't it?

 

[moose eater]

We can agree on 99% of things, but will die on 1% we disagree on. Seems really dumb when you look at it like that, doesn't it?

Humility on all our parts, when called for, is often the answer and price tag that is too steep to be afforded by most.

 

[GOT_BUD?]

A lawsuit challenging state legislative district maps is heading to the Wisconsin Supreme Court

The Wisconsin Supreme Court will hear opening arguments in a redistricting case on Nov. 21, 2023. Alex Crowe, host of "Morning Edition," chatted with WPR reporter Rich Kremer to clarify what the ruling could mean.

www.wpr.org

 

[HempKat]

Your reply indicates precisely what I both pointed to and objected to.

Whether it was for me or for Cannavore, to assess pomposity of unique knowledge where there was none would point to your ego being of issue, not mine.

When I fuck up and malign someone over something that wasn't done by them, I typically simply apologize.

But deflection and projection seems to be the walk of the way these days, more often than not, so....

The more we have a world in which people are unwilling to humble themselves appropriately, the longer there will be unresolved issues to serve as fodder in the Speaker's Corner.

I have no mandate to interact in this or any other threads.

The fact that humanity is a disappointing species in many or most regards, is proven true nearly every day.

Take a number.

Wow, just wow, so you have no issue of ego and yet now you're judging people's apologies and deciding whether they are legitimate or not. smh

I would apologize for my apology not meeting your standards of sincerity. Instead, I'm sorry you interjected yourself into a discussion between two other people to inform them of something you yourself admited a post or two later to be common knowledge. Informing you or anyone else that something which is common knowledge is in fact common knowledge and therefore unwarrented is hardly maligning you or anyone else unless you're incredibly thin skinned.

For what it's worth though I do agree with you that humanity can be a very disappointing spiecies especially if you go looking for something to be disappointed about. I genunely feel sorry for you that the rest of the world so often doesn't meet up to your standards. Perhaps you should take a hard look at your standards?

 

[HempKat]

Back to what this thread is more intended for...

So what do people think? Do you suppose one day soon we'll be seeing a headline something along the lines of, "And then there were five"

Nevada’s attorney general is investigating fake electors in 2020 for Trump, AP source says

Nevada’s attorney general is investigating six Republican electors who submitted a document to Congress falsely declaring Donald Trump the winner of the 2020 presidential election, a person with knowledge of the case said Wednesday.

www.washingtontimes.com

 

[moose eater]

Wow, just wow, so you have no issue of ego and yet now you're judging people's apologies and deciding whether they are legitimate or not. smh

I would apologize for my apology not meeting your standards of sincerity. Instead, I'm sorry you interjected yourself into a discussion between two other people to inform them of something you yourself admited a post or two later to be common knowledge. Informing you or anyone else that something which is common knowledge is in fact common knowledge and therefore unwarrented is hardly maligning you or anyone else unless you're incredibly thin skinned.

For what it's worth though I do agree with you that humanity can be a very disappointing spiecies especially if you go looking for something to be disappointed about. I genunely feel sorry for you that the rest of the world so often doesn't meet up to your standards. Perhaps you should take a hard look at your standards?

Your apology came loaded with "Yeah, buts" to the extent that the aplogy(ies) is/was/were mitigated, just as the last one was; a mark of ego laden perspective and persona.

Yes, I judged, or, more accurately, assessed the content of what you wrote.

I was once paid well for such assessments.

My kids' apologies once came with similar equivocations. I would repeatedly attempt to teach them that sincere apologies are offered with no prominent "Yeah buts", or equivocations, but rather merely a humble apology for whatever offense.

For some, this stance or perspective can take a life time to develop to fruition, for others not as long, and for some, they never reach that place.

And yes, the human race IS very disappointing, mostly due to the contrast of the good they/we could achieve, absent ego, versus the pitfalls or 'destruction' of reinventing the wheels of conflict (often where there need not be any, such as your initial reply to my post).

From the greatest good, to the greatest harm, humanity has erred or achieved more often to one side. .... Often as a result of lack of humility and presence of inflated ego. A person doesn't need to go searching for this fact; just open the eyes in an objective manner, and it's there, like a heavily fruited tree, in plain view, dragging the branches to the ground.

Anyone who benefited from this, if so inclined can leave $20 with the receptionist.

 

[RobFromTX]

I will pay each one of you gentleman $20 if you find a different person to bitch about than trump when he goes to jail. I mean seriously we can set up paypal and everything

 

[unclefishstick]

I will pay each one of you gentleman $20 if you find a different person to bitch about than trump when he goes to jail. I mean seriously we can set up paypal and everything

fucking zombie ass bitch maconnel! get outta the senate you decrepit fossil sell out!

i'll expect my 20 bux in the mail by monday

 

[RobFromTX]

ah come on man. Hes gone. The engines running but there's nobody behind the wheel

 

[RobFromTX]

That cant possibly count as an alternative

 

[moose eater]

I will pay each one of you gentleman $20 if you find a different person to bitch about than trump when he goes to jail. I mean seriously we can set up paypal and everything

That's both a very loose and risky financial offering.

You'll note the relative infrequency of any posts by me in this thread, and most of mine likely pertain to political/human constructs in general. Just sayin'.

Though my recent posts re. the average human's inability to plainly own their errors or 'sins' most definitely applies to Herr Von Trump.

If you were physically near me, you'd know that, by now, based on your criteria alone, you'd already owe me thousands of dollars. I complain about all sorts of unnecessary human-generated nonsense.

No, I don't take crypto currency, but a postal money order in USD will do just fine. Thanks.

 

[RobFromTX]

That's both a very loose and risky financial offering.

You'll note the relative infrequency of any posts by me in this thread, and most of mine likely pertain to political constructs in general. Just sayin'.

Though my recent posts re. the average human's inability to plainly own their errors most definitely applies to Herr Von Trump.

If you were physically near me, you'd know that by now, based on those criteria alone, you'd already owe me thousands of dollars.

No, I don't take crypto currency, but a postal money order in USD will do just fine. Thanks.

Its not safe to send money these days. Square business Moose. I guess i cant count you in this. I mean most things you say make total sense to me. Just my weekly ball busting for colonel mustard and audi the meme machine