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Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

HempKat

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Another? When did we have an insurrection? Last I checked j6 was about 50/50 cops and idiot vandals. Nobody claimed to be a new government subduing the old government by force.
You wait about three weeks to respond to a post and then all you want to do is quibble over the definition of Insurrection? You seem to have the mistaken belief that the only way something can qualify as an insurrection is if a new government subdues and existing government by force. Now I could just tell you that you are wrong but instead of doing that lets look at the actual definition of Insurrection according to established dictionaries of the English language.

Merrium-Webster
: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government.

Britannica
: an organized and usually violent act of revolt or rebellion against an established government or governing authority of a nation-state or other political entity by a group of its citizens or subjects.

Cambridge Dictionary

: an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence.

Dictionary.com
: an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

Vocabulary.com
:an uprising against a larger force that's in power.

Collins Dictionary
: An insurrection is violent action that is taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office.

The Free Dictionary
: A rising or rebellion of citizens against their government, usually manifested by acts of violence.

So there you have it, seven definitions from 7 different dictionaries and not a single one says anything about it needing to be a new government trying to subdue and existing or old government. Now to be clear if a group of citizens declared themselves to be a new government and tried to subdue the old government that would also be an insurrection. In the cas of January 6, since it was a group of Trump supporters commiting the insurrection you could actually make the arguement that it was the old government (Trump's aka a self coupe) trying to subdue a new government (Biden's) but technically that wouldn't be correct since Biden was not yet sworn in. The process the insurrectionists were trying to stop or interfere with though was the electoral count that once completed made Biden's election to the office of President official.

Now I'm not sure what echo chamber you got the idea that it has to be a new government subduing an old government to qualify as an Insurrection, from? Fox News, OAN, The Steve Bannon Podcast, etc. Clearly though they were counting on you and whoever else was listening to not really know what is and isn't an insurrecction and that you would just take their word for it and not bother to do some of your own research to see if the way they defined it had an merit, because clearly you did just take their word for it and didn't bother to do even the most basic research of looking up how insurrection is defined.

Not only that but their whole arguement of a new government against an old government isn't where the debate on if Jan. 6th was an insurrection actually rests by people seriously trying to argue it. The actual arguement centers around whether what happened on Jan 6th involved acts of violence. Which it clearly did from the moment they started attacking police with flag poles, mace, pepper spraau, baseball bats, bear spray, etc. To when they smashed in windows to circumvent locked door, to when they erected a gallows and began chanting "Hang Mike Pence" as they roamed the halls of the capital they violently entered. Thank god that the police and secret service were successful in protecting Mike Pense or Nancy Pelosi or virtually any politician they might have gotten their hands on.
 

HempKat

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RE Gaetz - news suggests that the GOP (or elements thereof) might be willing to deliberately destroy their razor-thin majority status in the House and kick Gaetz out too for his ethics lapses. would the Democrats assist then in doing so? he's one of the Ds best examples of why the GOP is the Gang that Couldn't Shoot Straight". they might not WANT to take the stench from around the Republicans necks...DON'T
TOUCH THE TARBABY! :eek: suffer, motherfuckers!
Gaetz, should have been booted out of Congress but not this late in the game but rather when the allegations about him first was going around nearly 2 years ago when his buddy Greenberg plead guilty to the sex trafficking crimes and implicated Gaetz in his cooperation that was part of the arrangement for him pleading guilty. Even at that point there were lots of reports from fellow congressmen talking about how Matt Gaetz was going around bragging about the women he had sex with, complete with pictures. Some how though Gaetz managed to drag things out long enough that the media stopped reporting about it and now the calls for an ethics investigation and his removal from congress just looks like sour grapes from his republican colleages that actually liked McCarthy and are now pissed about how Gaetz's role in getting McCarthy vacated from the Speaker's position has caused a continuous downfall of the republican congress ever since.
 

HempKat

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Given that the extreme right is supposedly very religious and therefore against immoral acts (which should be particularly true in Ohio) one would think more people there would have been on the side of the presenter and/or not very supportive of Gaetz. In fact I'm a little surprised he was even invited but I guess it's hard to get political celbrities that far north?
 

HempKat

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Man, I think Rudy Giuliani, is really slipping, he may be the next person we should start evaluating for cognitive decline? Yesterday was day one of the defamation case against him for the attacks he made against two election workers in Georgia. He had already admitted to the fact that what he said were lies and acknowledge that those lies were generally defaming to the two election workers, which allowed the judge to already find him guilty of the defamation. So the trial that started yesterday was just to determine how much he would end up having to pay the workers for the defamation. Plus he had already put himself in a bad spot with the judge by refusing to supply court ordered documents, one of which was a financial statement to let the courts know how much money he had (had he supplied an honest financial statment it could have kept the amount of damages he would have to pay down) and he missed several court dates that he was expected to show up for. This irritated the judge to the point that she instructed the jury to infer that his refusal to submit the financial statement was an attempt to hide his net worth and therefore they should infer from that, he had lots of money (which he doesn't). His lawyers are saying that anything above a token fine would be a financial death penalty and bankrupt him (although bankruptcy won't excuse his court fine whatever it ends up being). As if all that wasn't bad enough, when he came out of the courtroom yesterday he spoke to reporters and repeated the same statements that got him in court for defamation in the first place, setting himself up for potentially being sued again for defamation. It's really hard to believe this guy was once a top federal prosecutor and was once known as America's Mayor. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

 

HempKat

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Well if any of you watch even half the political news sources I watch then you should have seen several of them warning about the destruction of democracy if Trump gets elected and makes himself a full blown dictator. Which is a real concern and hopefully nobody is falling for his dictator just on day one schtick. You would have to be a complete moron to believe that once Trump has that much power he's going to just turn around and give it up the next day. Besides if his justification is just to drill oil and fix the border he can do as much in one day with both those things by executive order (assuming he can come up with ones that don't violate the constitution which is why he had so much trouble with his "Mulim Ban". That being said, as scary as it would be to have Trump as a dictator, he's incompetent enough that he probably wouldn't do as much harm as a more competent President could if he were to be made dictator. So the real scary thought is once a dictatorship was created, what would the one after him be like? I mean imagine if someone like Mike Johnson, Steve Bannon or Steve Miller would be like if they found themselves appoint as dictator by Trump on his death bed?Or imagine someone like Don Trump Jr. becoming dictator by way of inheritance.

Sure just the thought of Trump being dictator should be enough to drive every non Trump loving voter to the polls to insure Trump doesn't get elected but the thing we should worry about even more, what should turn out voters even more, is what might come after a Trump dictatorship.
 

HempKat

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Oh you silly kitty. Trump has kids. And they have kids. What makes you think a Trump dictatorship would ever end? It's their destiny really.
I'm not saying it would necessarily, of course you get a buffoon like Don Jr, or Eric running the show and I could imagine some meglomaniac in the inner circle, like Steven Miller, might feel he's more deserving and arrange to take them out and usurp the throne.

The point isn't Trump or his family though, the point is no matter how benevolent anyone might think a Trump reign might be, eventually someone will get in there that really knows how to take control and enforce his will that will make Trump seem about as terrifying as Emelda Marcos and her shoe collection.
 

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