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Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

HempKat

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I heard that too. It looked like they just shot the balloon and the the three city bus part came straight down.
It doesn't make sense that they would blow the crap out of it 12 miles up and then look for pieces to figure out what the Chinese were up to.
Yeah the most likely reason they shot it down at all was to be able to examine the hardware and/or get an idea of how good the data they were collecting was which would mean they would want it to stay as intact as possible. I also heard in another report that they were strategic about where they shot it down beyond just waiting for it to be above water so it wouldn't hurt anyone. The area it came down the depth of the water is somewhere in the mid 40 foot range, which means they shot it down so that it would land relatively close to the shore. Had they waited much longer to when it was well away from shore then the depth of the ocean drops to more like 600-700 feet which would have made salvaging it much more difficult especially since they didn't have the benefit of some kind of pinging device like they would with the black box of a downed airplane for example.

The reason i say the most likely reason they shot it down was to recover it is because this is like the 5th one of these types of balloons in the past 4-5 years (at least 2 during the Trump administration) and yet they made no effort to shoot the others down. Of course some speculate that the reason they shot this one down was because it got so much coverage by the media making it something the public was pretty well aware of, the other ones didn't get this kind of coverage and so the public was much less aware of the others.
 
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armedoldhippy

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just how little critical thinking skills so much of the population has.
Biden was going to be attacked regardless of what he did. if he had it shot down the instant it got into our airspace, the GOP attack poodles would have bitched because he didn't follow the advice the military allegedly gave him. but, since he DID take the experts advice, that means he is "weak & indecisive" according to those same poodles... three different balloons went over during the Chump "administration" but were ignored. was the fix in? "send some "weather" balloons over, i'll take care of it..." :whistling: look! it's a squirrel! 🐿️
 

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Yeah the most likely reason they shot it down at all was to be able to examine the hardware and/or get an idea of how good the datas they were collecting was which would mean they would want it to stay as intact as possible. I also hear in another report that they were strategic about where they shot it down beyond just waiting for it to be above water so it wouldn't hurt anyone. The area it came down the depth of the water is somewhere in the mid 40 foot range, which means they shot it down sso that it would land relatively close to the shore. Had they waited much longer to when it was well away from shore then the depth of the ocean drops to more like 600-700 feet which would have made salvaging it much more difficult especially since they didn't have the benefit of some kind of pinging device like they would with the black box of a downed airplane for example.

The reason i say the most likely reason they shot it down was to recover it is because this is like the 5th one of these types of balloons in the past 4-5 years (at least 2 during the Trump administration) and yet they made no effort to shot the others down. Of course some speculate that the reason they shot this one down was because it got so much coverage by the media making it something the public was pretty well aware of, the other ones didn't get this kind of coverage and so the public was much less aware of the others.
Shooting it down over water cushions the blow on landing, same as space craft recovery. The thing had to be stout and weather proof to remain functional in weather with the temps at 60,000' - severely cold. They knew exactly where it dropped. Normally, air traffic control can easily track something that big and the military had days to prepare having mission specific hardware on site. They nabbed it right away and made sure nobody was watching.

The republican spin on this story got severely stupid, wanting to down it over land.
 

HempKat

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Biden was going to be attacked regardless of what he did. if he had it shot down the instant it got into our airspace, the GOP attack poodles would have bitched because he didn't follow the advice the military allegedly gave him. but, since he DID take the experts advice, that means he is "weak & indecisive" according to those same poodles... three different balloons went over during the Chump "administration" but were ignored. was the fix in? "send some "weather" balloons over, i'll take care of it..." :whistling: look! it's a squirrel! 🐿️
Oh I know that with the talking heads whatever it is Biden's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. They've proven that countless times and most recently with the Classified documents. Trump steal hundreds and the National Archieves and the FB are aware of it and give him more then a year to do the right thing. Instead Trump hands over a handful that he didn't care about and tries to claim that's all of it which they knew it wasn't and so they were forced to raid his country club home. The talking heads scream about how wrong it was to raid his home and tries to say it was just an accident that happened by others packing up his stuff, no big deal. Biden finds about a dozen between and old office and a garage in one of his homes and it was all so minor and irrelevent that nobody even knew they were missing. Then Biden hands them over right away, and invites them in for a more thorough search and somehow that's way worse then what Trump did because he followed the orders of the DOJ and didn't discuss them publically. Imagine how they would have reacted if Biden handle things exactly the same way as Trump.

What I was talking about though with the lack of critical thinking skills are the people who listen to the talking heads and just lap up whatever they're being told no matter how far fetched it seems. I know the talking heads know better, I know they know the truth. It should really be pissing their audience of that they take them for such gullible fools, unfortunately there audience is mostly gullible fools. These fly over missions have been going on for years in one way or another, we do it to them, they do it to us. It's old news really. The only difference this time is it got out to the general public and it made us look bad to do nothing. The truth is the ones from the past we basically ignored because we really weren't all that worried about what they were getting and it was just better to let them think they got away with something. I suspect the effort to recover anything is more just to make sure their intelligence gathering is still just as weak as we think it is and in someways it's performative and something we can use to make them look bad on the world stage.
 

HempKat

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Shooting it down over water cushions the blow on landing, same as space craft recovery. The thing had to be stout and weather proof to remain functional in weather with the temps at 60,000' - severely cold. They knew exactly where it dropped. Normally, air traffic control can easily track something that big and the military had days to prepare having mission specific hardware on site. They nabbed it right away and made sure nobody was watching.

The republican spin on this story got severely stupid, wanting to down it over land.
Well keep in mind something falling into water from 60K feet when it hits it hits like it's hitting cement. Space capsules are different. They have the benefit of being slowed down by multiple gigantic parachutes.
 

armedoldhippy

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Well keep in mind something falling into water from 60K feet when it hits it hits like it's hitting cement. Space capsules are different. They have the benefit of being slowed down by multiple gigantic parachutes.
why did we blow the balloon to hell? couldn't we have gotten Israel to use their Jewish Space Lasers to just melt a small hole in the skin of the balloon & bring it down in a more controlled manner? what good are these "amazing toys" (sorry, Jack) if we can't use them to our benefit ? :whistling:
 

HempKat

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why did we blow the balloon to hell? couldn't we have gotten Israel to use their Jewish Space Lasers to just melt a small hole in the skin of the balloon & bring it down in a more controlled manner? what good are these "amazing toys" (sorry, Jack) if we can't use them to our benefit ? :whistling:
Good question, maybe they were afraid if they did that it would suddenly start flying all over the place zigzagging back and forth like a balloon that gets away from you while you're in the process of inflating it?
 

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why did we blow the balloon to hell? couldn't we have gotten Israel to use their Jewish Space Lasers to just melt a small hole in the skin of the balloon & bring it down in a more controlled manner? what good are these "amazing toys" (sorry, Jack) if we can't use them to our benefit ? :whistling:
They figured, If it went POP it would scare the crap out of the little guy in the dark room with the headphones on.
 

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Good question, maybe they were afraid if they did that it would suddenly start flying all over the place zigzagging back and forth like a balloon that gets away from you while you're in the process of inflating it?
don't think it was pressurized in that manner, more like a hot-air balloon scenario, prob hydrogen/helium filled. even if it had been highly pressurized, where was it going to go that we couldn't find it ?
 

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If it weren't for this guy's antics needing to be prosecuted poste haste, his shit would be hilarious.

Wait! Maybe it -is- hilarious, AND needs to be prosecuted poste haste?

I don't think I've ever seen or heard of anyone this shallow, personality disordered, and sociopathic in office before.

Any future sit-com about this guy is going to make some serious money, at least for a short while.

 

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Pence got subpoenaed today to testify on Chump. Ohhhh it's getting good.

Too bad Hammer got sick of the bullshit. He had good perspective on these things unfolding.
 
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