Trump thread part 2 (Or anything else we want to talk about that's ridiculous in politics today)

[moose eater]

As partisan as Pence is, I suspect he's more willing to tell the truth under oath than many of the Trump team, especially if he's not entirely sure of what the attorneys are holding to corroborate or disprove his testimony. Pence doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who plays as loosely with potential felony status as many others.

Donnie just bullshits himself into believing that no matter how high the tide, he can manage to stay dry, so lying in his case isn't that difficult, except for when he's taking the fifth/under oath.

 

[armedoldhippy]

shallow, personality disordered, and sociopathic in office

we had a governor once upon a time, Ray Blanton by name, a true swine by any accepted standards of decency. he lost his re-election bid, and embarked on a "farewell tour" by openly selling governors pardons trying to make up the difference in pay since he wasn't gonna get the expected graft/bribes along with his salary.... state officials swore in the new guy "a bit" early to stop him.

 

[HempKat]

https://www.salon.com/2023/02/09/has-already-funneled-nearly-1-million-in-donor-cash-to-himself-since-leaving-office/

More proof supporting the allegations of self-servingness on Trump's part, following all of his pleas to save 'our' (mission).

He's reportedly pocketed over $1 million in donor cash since leaving office.

I saw a report out of a local station from NewYork were a group of Santos' constituents board buses to go to DC yesterday to meet with McCarthy to present him with a petition from Santos' district with over 1000 signatures at the time of reporting (before sunrise yesterday) as well as other petitions gathered nationally all calling for Santos to be immediately expelled from Congress so they can have a speial election to get some honest representation.

Hopefully that will overcomes McCarthy's weak sauce excuse that he couldn't remove him because it wouldn't be fair to his constituents that elected him? As I understand it most of the people making this trip were people who did originally vote for Santos before all of his lies were revealled. I'm guessing it's not going to work since McCarthy won't want to risk losing even one member of his slim majority and he'll just give them some other lame excuse, probably the one where he's waiting for the ethics committee to rule. Still even if it doesn't work I love seeing this sort of thing happening were the voters are doing their best to resist the usual BS the Republican's feed them. Maybe if nothing else they will inspire voters of other districts that have representatives that would rather play foolish political games that are destined to go nowhere rather then do the job the people actually elected them to do.

 

[HempKat]

Pence got subpoenaed today to testify on Chump. Ohhhh it's getting good.

Too bad Hammer got sick of the bullshit. He had good perspective on these things unfolding.

I notice that now that some people have stopped participating in this discussion there really isn't any bullshit. Well not in the thread, there's still plenty of bullshit in politics.

 

[HempKat]

As partisan as Pence is, I suspect he's more willing to tell the truth under oath than many of the Trump team, especially if he's not entirely sure of what the attorneys are holding to corroborate or disprove his testimony. Pence doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who plays as loosely with potential felony status as many others.

Donnie just bullshits himself into believing that no matter how high the tide, he can manage to stay dry, so lying in his case isn't that difficult, except for when he's taking the fifth/under oath.

Yeah if anyone from the Trump team would be more likely to tell the truth under oath it would likely be Pence. I'm not sure they have any leverage on him though to hang over him to encourage the truth. I mean Pence seemed to be smart enough to do the right thing when it was something he could be held accountible for other then that it seems like he just mostly turned a blind eye to Trump's shannanigans. He may be able to say he doesn't know or can't recall without having to risk his Christian soul.

 

[moose eater]

Yeah if anyone from the Trump team would be more likely to tell the truth under oath it would likely be Pence. I'm not sure they have any leverage on him though to hang over him to encourage the truth. I mean Pence seemed to be smart enough to do the right thing when it was something he could be held accountible for other then that it seems like he just mostly turned a blind eye to Trump's shannanigans. He may be able to say he doesn't know or can't recall without having to risk his Christian soul.

The other alternative for Pence, and safer from the paritsan perspective, is to do a Reagan-Iran-Contra routine, with incessant, "I don't recall" responses. It's difficult to prove someone remembers something,or to prove they couldn't have forgotten it..... even if it's years before any actual evidence of alzheimers symptoms, as was the case with Reagan.

 

[Zeez]

I hope he doesn't start crying again.

 

[audiohi]

The other alternative for Pence, and safer from the paritsan perspective, is to do a Reagan-Iran-Contra routine, with incessant, "I don't recall" responses. It's difficult to prove someone remembers something,or to prove they couldn't have forgotten it..... even if it's years before any actual evidence of alzheimers symptoms, as was the case with Reagan.

I think that defense gets more difficult when you wrote a book about it that came out three months ago.

 

[HempKat]

The other alternative for Pence, and safer from the paritsan perspective, is to do a Reagan-Iran-Contra routine, with incessant, "I don't recall" responses. It's difficult to prove someone remembers something,or to prove they couldn't have forgotten it..... even if it's years before any actual evidence of alzheimers symptoms, as was the case with Reagan.

The way I see it, what he ends up saying is going to come down to one of two things, if it becomes clear that they want his information to go after Trump or to go after John Eastman. If it becomes evident they want his testimony to strengthen the case against Eastman then he'll probably be very helpful and cooperative. I don't get the impression he feels any loyalty towards Eastman and given that he doesn't seem to hold any grudge against Trump for putting him in a life threatening situation he probably sees Eastman as being completely responsible for Trump's part in the events of January 6th. Plus if I'm remembering correctly I think he's on record somewhere for dismisssing Trump's part in everything as being the result of bad legal advice.

If it becomes clear that they want his Testimony to nail Trump then he's probably going to have sudden catastrophic memory loss. Which to me is baffling because at this point he should have zero loyalty to Trump. Unfortunately for whatever reason he still seems to want to be in Trump's good graces. I mean the guy basically tried to get him lynched so he should have no problem giving Smith everything he needs to nail Trump.

 

[moose eater]

I think that defense gets more difficult when you wrote a book about it that came out three months ago.

I think we've all seen them be capable of claiming anything that benefits them, no matter how believable it is.

 

[moose eater]

The way I see it, what he ends up saying is going to come down to one of two things, if it becomes clear that they want his information to go after Trump or to go after John Eastman. If it becomes evident they want his testimony to strengthen the case against Eastman then he'll probably be very helpful and cooperative. I don't get the impression he feels any loyalty towards Eastman and given that he doesn't seem to hold any grudge against Trump for putting him in a life threatening situation he probably sees Eastman as being completely responsible for Trump's part in the events of January 6th. Plus if I'm remembering correctly I think he's on record somewhere for dismisssing Trump's part in everything as being the result of bad legal advice.

If it becomes clear that they want his Testimony to nail Trump then he's probably going to have sudden catastrophic memory loss. Which to me is baffling because at this point he should have zero loyalty to Trump. Unfortunately for whatever reason he still seems to want to be in Trump's good graces. I mean the guy basically tried to get him lynched so he should have no problem giving Smith everything he needs to nail Trump.

I think any deference to Trump that Pence shows at this point is more apt to be a matter of trying to save Pence's own electability and partisanism in general, not so much actual support of Trump. He puts on a neutral face toward Trump for the sake of Trump's supporters and the party, rather than for Trump himself.

 

[Zeez]

I think any deference to Trump that Pence shows at this point is more apt to be a matter of trying to save Pence's own electability and partisanism in general, not so much actual support of Trump. He puts on a neutral face toward Trump for the sake of Trump's supporters and the party, rather than for Trump himself.

It looks like Pence is trying to play the role of Chump without the baggage (whores, ripoffs etc) and offer a clean slate with less wacko factor.

Aside from his lack of charisma, Pence will probably try to claim at least some executive privilege which gives the appearance of taking the fifth. Not only is this a bad look, but not coming clean keeps him attached to the 1-6 legacy which he is trying desperately to escape.

 

[armedoldhippy]

as being the result of bad legal advice.

ignorance is not an excuse, nor is taking bad advice. no matter who told you to pull a trigger, YOU pulled it.

 

[HempKat]

I think any deference to Trump that Pence shows at this point is more apt to be a matter of trying to save Pence's own electability and partisanism in general, not so much actual support of Trump. He puts on a neutral face toward Trump for the sake of Trump's supporters and the party, rather than for Trump himself.

Yeah, you're probably right, just like most all but a handful of Republican's he's probably afraid of alienating the MAGA base. Although most of them probably still would like to hang him, so if I were him I'd being saying "F Trump". If Pence did that he would certainly get a ton of free publicity via news reports and he might catch the interest of all the big money donors, independents and everyone else jumping off the Trump train and at this point that might represent a larger number of voters then the MAGA base?

 

[HempKat]

ignorance is not an excuse, nor is taking bad advice. no matter who told you to pull a trigger, YOU pulled it.

True enough but these days with the way the Trump base thinks all one need do is give them someone else to blame even if it's as lame as saying Trump got bad legal advice. I'm not suggesting that such a thing as bad legal advice excuses Trump in any real way.

 

[moose eater]

Yeah, you're probably right, just like most all but a handful of Republican's he's probably afraid of alienating the MAGA base. Although most of them probably still would like to hang him, so if I were him I'd being saying "F Trump". If Pence did that he would certainly get a ton of free publicity via news reports and he might catch the interest of all the big money donors, independents and everyone else jumping off the Trump train and at this point that might represent a larger number of voters then the MAGA base?

It's by that very mechanism that I believe lock-step partisan politics on both sides of the aisle have destroyed any real representation in the US. Fear of loss of party supremacy is second only to personal re-election whims.

In that mix, any real regional or personal representation takes a third seat, at best.

IMO, we need a few more of these guys, though maybe with some subtle changes:

Social Security History

Kingfish: A Story of Huey P. Long - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GOT_BUD?]

Trump team turns over laptop, additional classified documents months after infamous Mar-a-Lago raid

Former President Donald Trump's legal team has handed over additional materials with classified markings to the Justice Department including a former aide's laptop.

www.foxnews.com

Now here is a laptop worth talking about. Classified documents on the laptop, and digital fingerprints tell the story of classified docs being copied twice.

 

[HempKat]

It's by that very mechanism that I believe lock-step partisan politics on both sides of the aisle have destroyed any real representation in the US. Fear of loss of party supremacy is second only to personal re-election whims.

In that mix, any real regional or personal representation takes a third seat, at best.

IMO, we need a few more of these guys, though maybe with some subtle changes:

Social Security History

Kingfish: A Story of Huey P. Long - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah I totally agree.

 

[HempKat]

Trump team turns over laptop, additional classified documents months after infamous Mar-a-Lago raid

Former President Donald Trump's legal team has handed over additional materials with classified markings to the Justice Department including a former aide's laptop.

www.foxnews.com

Now here is a laptop worth talking about. Classified documents on the laptop, and digital fingerprints tell the story of classified docs being copied twice.

Yeah things just got a whole lot worse for Trump depending on what evidence they can gleen from the laptop and thumb drive they've taken possession of. At a minimum it greatly stregthens the charge of willfully trying to obstruct authorities by doing everything possible to illegally retain possession of these documents. If however they can also prove that some of this material was transmitted to interested foreign contacts then it also strengthens the case of treason.

 

[HempKat]

Well there is an interesting event that happened the other day that might give us an interesting look at the Republicans. If you haven't heard there has been a second incident of a device entering American airspace. This time however rather then waiting to make sure it could be shot down safely and in a place where it will be easy to salvage they shot it down almost immediately even though they didn't know who it was from or what exactly it was doing. My guess is the quickness with which it was shot down is in response to criticism that was made on how long it took them to shoot down the previous object that they suspect was a Chinese spy balloon.

It will be interesting to see if Republicans this time praise Biden for acting upon this new potential threat immediately or if they will as i suspect criticize him this time for shooting it down too quickly.