top of the heap to third world status in one generation

[Gry]

Thank you kindly for the link, looks like his channel deals with some interesting
subject matter.
Takes me back to the days of trying to get code speed up enough to pull
an open class license. Studied an ARRL handbook, given to me by a friends
pop who was a WWII vet that loved ham radio.
Bless the WWII vets who would take the time to explain things to a kid with interest.
To live in the time when we have gone from basic signal propagation, to steerable
beam technology has been neat as can be.
First time I was able to go the Library of Congress, was like a trip to mecca.
Both the OSS, and CIA have fascinating history with Library of Congress.
Donovan maintained offices there during WWII.

Moose Eater made reference to things being scrubbed and no longer
so easy to find. I never cease to be amazed by the extent of it.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Moose Eater made reference to things being scrubbed

is it normally a deliberate attempt to erase "uncomfortable" facts/histories, or sometimes shit getting deleted to save space ? or both, depending on a persons viewpoint on the subject at hand?

 

[h.h.]

While making room for the new, it’s in man’s nature to cover up past mistakes and misdeeds. Shit happens. Plant a tree and move on.

 

[Gry]

The Danger of the Rich & Powerful Man-Bubble

All these rich and powerful men think they’re “secret geniuses”; once they’ve concluded the “truth” of their own infallibility, they stop listening to those whose opinions contradict their own

hartmannreport.com

 

[armedoldhippy]

The Danger of the Rich & Powerful Man-Bubble

All these rich and powerful men think they’re “secret geniuses”; once they’ve concluded the “truth” of their own infallibility, they stop listening to those whose opinions contradict their own

hartmannreport.com

sounds like Musk, The Chump, several generations of Kennedy, Putin, any number of people in Hollywood and/or in politics. success breeds success, and contempt for mores...

 

[Three Berries]

I like how they have turned on Musk. May be a clone or actor? Obviously not afraid to upset the apple cart. Made Apple's Cook kowtow to him. Google and Facebook are next to fall.

Suppose to be another BIG REVEAL in the next couple of days.

 

[Gry]

 

[Gry]

 

[moose eater]

Moose Eater made reference to things being scrubbed and no longer
so easy to find. I never cease to be amazed by the extent of it.

My comments to that effect also included, in the past, pics online of the obscene amounts of bi-catch left in the wakes of the trawler fleet in the North Pacific. I recall mentioning that to you once, Gry.

Not too many years ago (maybe 15-20) I could go online and easily find photos taken from the sterns of these trawlers, showing the incredible waste of crab, salmon, halibut, and alot of other ocean fish, bobbing up and down in their wakes. Wanton waste that would have landed anyone not in that fleet in jail, if not prison.

If I waste ONE King salmon or a leg of moose, I can lose my hunting and fishing privileges, lose my gear, pay a fine, etc..

The trawler fleet has a strong federal lobby in Congress, and they fish with huge nets, bringing up anything in the path of their nets, and they're not legally permitted to keep the non-target species, which is MOST of the fish they bring up a lot of the time.

Think pollock fisheries/trawlers as one example.

A person can still find articles about this travesty, but I noted over the years that there were fewer and fewer of these graphic photos of their would-be crimes; the blatant wasting of resorces.

Read up on the millions of lbs. of wasted fish/seafood they spew back into the water, unusable at that point. Dead..

Not a past mistake, but a continuing crime, legalized via the influence of lobbyists in your Congress. Accessing the folks who are supposed to 'do the right thing.'

 

[h.h.]

Save the Whales has a smaller public profile as well. Censorship or lack of interest? Not this weeks environmental flavor. More of a take on the publics attention span than lobby control. You need a tv show…

 

[armedoldhippy]

the trawlers & longline fishermen need to be dragged ashore, kicking and screaming. our oceans are NOT an endless source of protein to be ransacked for profit to the point of collapse for the enrichment of a few. ditto cutting down every damn tree you run across. extractive industries, if not regulated so as to be sustainable and ecologically friendly, need to be banned outright. the world does not belong to them...

 

[moose eater]

Save the Whales has a smaller public profile as well. Censorship or lack of interest? Not this weeks environmental flavor. More of a take on the publics attention span than lobby control. You need a tv show…

Good to know you've got that all figured out.

Rather than noting the absence of graphic pics of wanton waste sufficient to feed the entire State of Alaska for an entire year, I'll ask next time, before mentioning the obvious.

Maybe less vinegar in your water?

There's not less interest in the source-states, where the absence of once prolific fish stocks are annual news.

 

[moose eater]

the trawlers & longline fishermen need to be dragged ashore, kicking and screaming. our oceans are NOT an endless source of protein to be ransacked for profit to the point of collapse for the enrichment of a few. ditto cutting down every damn tree you run across. extractive industries, if not regulated so as to be sustainable and ecologically friendly, need to be banned outright. the world does not belong to them...

How often did you see pollock in your fresh fish case 40 years ago?

Pollock is a statement re. readily available protein from the sea that merely represents something next in line, once all the other more traditional sources are depleted.

Once found primarily in reconstituted fish sticks, it's now also sold as 'fresh fish.' And the more traditional fresh fish is double to quadruple the price.

 

[moose eater]

12 Steps For Removing Content From the Internet - Minc Law

The most effective methods to get content removed from the internet include obtaining a court order, flagging the content, and making an editorial request.

www.minclaw.com

How might wealthy lobbies use these tools?

Anyone else recall the fairly recent efforts to criminalize filming inside livestock slaughter houses? I do.

 

[h.h.]

Good to know you've got that all figured out.

Rather than noting the absence of graphic pics of wanton waste sufficient to feed the entire State of Alaska for an entire year, I'll ask next time, before mentioning the obvious.

Maybe less vinegar in your water?

There's not less interest in the source-states, where the absence of once prolific fish stocks are annual news.

Obviously censorship by the powers controlling all the buttons. I don’t know how I failed to realize.

 

[moose eater]

Obviously censorship by the powers controlling all the buttons. I don’t know how I failed to realize.

Use of extreme language like '-all- the buttons' is an effort to create a strawman, and dishonest.

Thanks for playing.

When persons use words like 'all', 'none', always', 'forever' 'never', etc., it is often an indicator revealing their inability to grasp the gray reality that is life.

Or, more aptly, just a disingenuous approach to discussion.

Again, thanks for playing.

 

[moose eater]

the trawlers & longline fishermen need to be dragged ashore, kicking and screaming. our oceans are NOT an endless source of protein to be ransacked for profit to the point of collapse for the enrichment of a few. ditto cutting down every damn tree you run across. extractive industries, if not regulated so as to be sustainable and ecologically friendly, need to be banned outright. the world does not belong to them...

To accurize my support for your comment, hippie, the long-liners include small vessels, often operated by 1 or 2 persons, esp. in the case of family fishing enterprises. You can find video of such critters out of the villages in Prince William Sound, and along the SE Alaska Panhandle Coast.

They simply attach a length of heavy line or cable with a number of hooks in a series, spanned out every X number of feet or inches between hooks, baited by hand, etc. and often/sometimes left in place with buoys.

Hand-trollers and power-trollers for salmon use much the same techniques, but they're moving, rather than leaving a line static in the water, dragging their lines with them instead..

The trawlers, on the other hand, drag the ocean with a net with openings suitable to the size fish they're catching/seeking.

When we processed drag shrimp (not the more environmentally conscious pot shrimp fishery) in the later 1970s, out of Homer, Ak., those nets, suitable for tiny salad and cocktail shrimp (imagine the tiny holes in those nets), brought up nearly everything in their paths. All variety of shark, big and small, (from lemon sharks, sand sharks, up to salmon sharks, etc.), waste fish like Irish Lord, halibut, rock fish of all varieties (very nice eating, most rock fish,. and now depleted for a number of reasons in the Gulf of Alaska & elsewhere), salmon, and more..

 

[armedoldhippy]

what i was referring to was the long-line ships setting literally miles with hundreds of hooks. many are Japanese in origin from what i have read. they kill huge amounts of pelagic species like marlin etc and open sea sharks as bycatch . commonly read about whales entangled in their gear as well as other boats tackle.

 

[moose eater]

what i was referring to was the long-line ships setting literally miles with hundreds of hooks. many are Japanese in origin from what i have read. they kill huge amounts of pelagic species like marlin etc and open sea sharks as bycatch . commonly read about whales entangled in their gear as well as other boats tackle.

Yep, a matter of scale.

And to confound things, we have many millions (billions) of people around the world, many of them living in places far from the water, and many wanting to continue a steady supply of fish in their diets.

Other issues, like how often are the lines or pots checked? How much is wasted by negligence in that regard?

Can traditional uses of such resources be maintained? Such as folks along the Yukon River feeding chum salmon to dog teams in villages that lack economic opportunities in most cases, where even the chum/'dog salmon' returns are dwindling drastically, sometimes affected by new diseases present in water (salt and fresh, both) where the ph and temps used to not support certain pathogens (or species), over-fishing on the high seas by foreign pirate ships and our own trawler fleets ('pirate ships' on their own merit, per my view), over-fishing on the rivers and in spawning lakes, and more factors.

A person can sometimes get a glimpse of who has which level of implicit 'protection' when law makers, talking heads in the subject matter, etc., go looking for which topics therein to discuss openly, and which glaring topics they ommitt from the list of variables deserving of criticism or examination.

Listen for what they're not saying or addressing.

 

[armedoldhippy]

Listen for what they're not saying or addressing.

i saw where they shut down any crab harvest this year. that's gotta hurt. hearing anything different there than the mainstream stuff RE what might have caused the collapse? are water temps a possible factor?