top of the heap to third world status in one generation

[moose eater]

There's a Hellfire version that was used on Zawahiri as he stood on a balcony.

Little-known modified Hellfire missiles likely killed al Qaeda's Zawahiri

Two Hellfire missiles fired from a drone killed the leader of al Qaeda, causing surprisingly little damage beyond the target, suggesting they may be a version of the missile shrouded in secrecy and used by the United States to avoid non-combatant casualties.

www.reuters.com

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Johnny probably shouldn't have access to that one, either.

 

[armedoldhippy]

There's a Hellfire version that was used on Zawahiri as he stood on a balcony

damn shame it took so long to get around to him...everyone lets their guard down...eventually.

 

[armedoldhippy]

But that thing truly looks FORMIDABLE

bet it would bring a chase to a screeching halt when it went down through the hood of a car...or through the trunk.

 

[moose eater]

Charged With the Crime of Filming a Slaughterhouse

So-called "Ag-Gag" laws reveal the lengths to which the agriculture industry will go to keep their business practices secret.

www.thenation.com

Iowa Just Struck Down Its Ag-Gag Law. Where Do These Laws Stand in the Rest of the Country?

Ag-gag laws effectively criminalized undercover investigations for three decades, but now, the courts are turning the tide in favor of animal rights activists.

psmag.com

Center for Food Safety | Blog | | You have a Constitutional Right to Record and Report Illegal Activity at Factory Farms

Ag-gag laws have become an increasingly prevalent way for factory farms and slaughterhouses to hide unsafe, inhumane animal treatment practices. But...

www.centerforfoodsafety.org

Not settled in some cases, in some cases over-turned a while ago. But certainly a statement that some/many corporations engaged in behaviors they'd like to not have photos of on the page of newpapers, or even on the internet, means that the urge to cover their tracks is certainly more than a unhinged baseless 'conspiracy theory.'

And the wanton waste of the trawler fleet is far more eggregious than someone kicking a piglet across a slaughter house floor.

There's plenty of corporate-bred pigs. Sometimes to the point that entire herds have been killed and buried en masse when the prices fell too low.

The fishing industry is, and has been, seeing serious fluctuations or reductions in availability of wild stocks of various species of sea-born protein..

Add that to the methods by which persons or corporations can 'cleanse the internet' of unflattering materials, and there's reason to be suspicious.

 

[armedoldhippy]

There's plenty of corporate-bred pigs

gosh! that's such a softball, i'm too embarrassed to swing at it...

 

[moose eater]

gosh! that's such a softball, i'm too embarrassed to swing at it...

Hadn't intended the double-entendre, but now that I think of it, it's pretty fitting... and funny, too.

 

[Gry]

damn shame it took so long to get around to him...everyone lets their guard down...eventually.

Have to be honest and tell you that one left me shaken and much less than comfortable.
What exactly did he know or do that merited not just his execution, but that of his male children
as well. No trial, no public hearing, but rather a public execution.
What bothered me most was that I do not recall having heard anyone even speak up in protest
of what happened.
What the hell would we have said had Russia or China executed a man and his family absent
any kind of trial ?
To my way of thinking what we did in this case was and is more than wrong, it
set an extremely disturbing precedent without so much as a peep of protest.

I would really like to know what it was that the man did to merit such a response from
this country.
I am aware of renditions that are have never been publicly spoken of, but I unaware of
any other case in which family members of an American citizen were " taken out " absent any kind of
trial or public hearing.

 

[moose eater]

Often times in the worlds of nationalism, cultural centricism, ego-centricism, faux righteousness, etc., the doers' shit doesn't stink in their own minds.

Same-same in re. to civil rights and any changes from the status quo throughout the years; "Rights for me, but not for thee."

It's the more common reality in too much of the world.

I'd hope my wife and kids aren't executed or serve time for any of my crimes they had nothing really to do with.

 

[armedoldhippy]

no mention of Zawahiris family members being killed and/or injured in the news, Gry. where did you see it? Russia and China execute their own citizens (regardless of where they might be, like in England for example) w/o trial with alarming regularity. we (the US) have been killing Islamic terror leaders for quite a while now.

 

[Gry]

Sorry I had my terrorist's confused, but here is the case I was referring to. The man taken out was
an American citizen, and after they killed him, they also went after his son. Who they murdered by
drone at a cafe in Yeman. An American citizen - who a 16 year old kid was taken out by a frigging
drone - no trail no judge no hearing - but a fucking drone killing that to the best of my knowledge
no one ever spoke up over or questioned the kid being killed. A hellish and frightening precedent was
set with that young man's death.

World of Drones

www.newamerica.org

Anwar al-Awlaki was targeted and killed by a U.S. drone strike in Yemen on September 30, 2011, along with three other al Qaeda militants. One of these three was Saudi-born American citizen Samir Khan, editor of al Qaeda’s English language online magazine, Inspire. Anwar al-Awlaki’s American-born son, 16-year-old Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki, was killed in an October 14, 2011, drone strike on an outdoor cafe in Shabwa, Yemen. The target of the strike was reportedly not Abdulrahman, but Egyptian al-Qaeda leader Ibrahim al-Banna. According to a BBC report, a memo from U.S. Assistant Attorney General David Barron to Attorney General Eric Holder “cited a 2006 Israeli Supreme Court decision that targeted killings were a legitimate form of self defence[sic].”

Having a US Assistant attorney cite an Israeli supreme court decision as a justification for
the killing of an American citizen is not at all comforting to me for some odd reason.

 

[armedoldhippy]

cite an Israeli supreme court decision as a justification

any kind of legal precedent prob better than none.

Sorry I had my terrorist's confused. it is not at all comforting to me for some odd reason.

not happy with it myself. we keep taking & justifying too many steps down a road we really don't want to travel...a case could be made that the subjects killing was legal, but i have serious doubts about "unintended" or "regrettable collateral damage". where the acceptable limit for that RE the threat posed by the targeted person in the crosshairs....how many will/may die IF you don't "take the shot"...

 

[armedoldhippy]

Israeli Supreme Court decision that targeted killings were a legitimate form

Gry, do you know if this has been litigated in any US courts? i'm gonna read up on this, i honestly have no idea.

 

[buzzmobile]

Sorry I had my terrorist's confused, but here is the case I was referring to. The man taken out was
an American citizen, and after they killed him, they also went after his son. Who they murdered by
drone at a cafe in Yeman. An American citizen - who a 16 year old kid was taken out by a frigging
drone - no trail no judge no hearing - but a fucking drone killing that to the best of my knowledge
no one ever spoke up over or questioned the kid being killed. A hellish and frightening precedent was
set with that young man's death.

World of Drones

www.newamerica.org

Anwar al-Awlaki was targeted and killed by a U.S. drone strike in Yemen on September 30, 2011, along with three other al Qaeda militants. One of these three was Saudi-born American citizen Samir Khan, editor of al Qaeda’s English language online magazine, Inspire. Anwar al-Awlaki’s American-born son, 16-year-old Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki, was killed in an October 14, 2011, drone strike on an outdoor cafe in Shabwa, Yemen. The target of the strike was reportedly not Abdulrahman, but Egyptian al-Qaeda leader Ibrahim al-Banna. According to a BBC report, a memo from U.S. Assistant Attorney General David Barron to Attorney General Eric Holder “cited a 2006 Israeli Supreme Court decision that targeted killings were a legitimate form of self defence[sic].”

Having a US Assistant attorney cite an Israeli supreme court decision as a justification for
the killing of an American citizen is not at all comforting to me for some odd reason.

It was as a result of that strike that the flying knives missile was created. 'Collateral damage' is reduced when there is not a big boom. Cold Hellfire

 

[Gry]

Gry, do you know if this has been litigated in any US courts? i'm gonna read up on this, i honestly have no idea.

Nope, I think it was just sort of ushered though and not given the thought which it should have merited.
When things are done overseas they are seldom given the same scrutiny as that which happens here.
Frequent that sort of thing is first done "overseas" where they know the scrutiny will not be so intense,
then it gets brought home to here once the precident has been set...

 

[armedoldhippy]

When things are done overseas they are seldom given the same scrutiny

nope. no "free press" in lots of spots to turn on the spotlight. plus, being in a shadow war with no opponents in uniforms/bases/borders complicates hell out of things. there are no safe places in a war...

 

[dramamine]

When things are done overseas they are seldom given the same scrutiny as that which happens here.

Yes, and when good old school reporters actually go and do first-hand reporting, such as Aaron Mate's work in Syria, it is dismissed as Russian propaganda.

 

[moose eater]

Yes, and when good old school reporters actually go and do first-hand reporting, such as Aaron Mate's work in Syria, it is dismissed as Russian propaganda.

Jeremy Scahill, and others have been dismissed by the conglomerates, despite their extremely good reporting.

Scahill exposed how loose the CIA intel requirements were re. targeting civilians in Pakistan with drone-fired missiles.

 

[Gry]

Yes, and when good old school reporters actually go and do first-hand reporting, such as Aaron Mate's work in Syria, it is dismissed as Russian propaganda.

Thus joining the ranks of others who chose to question the version told by powers that be.
This is a rough time to be a "journalist".

 

[Gry]

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan … Stalin Did

Have decades of nuclear policy been based on a lie?

getpocket.com

 

[Gry]

Spitfire List | The (Schedule F) Purge: Trump's Big Revenge Plan, Brought to You By the Council for National Policy

Web site and blog of anti-fascist researcher and radio personality Dave Emory.

spitfirelist.com