Tom Hill Haze

[ledo]

I have an Oldtimer who is less and not the same amount of leaves..I also had one in a Killer A5, blood orange sorbert, Oldtimer.. so I think its just an one off.. more hormonal maybe.by the time you trim these big beauties ... there isn't much left but this one is a lot bigger.. keeper maybe but it better be great

Some species of flower are intentionally bred for fasciation, Celosia is one off top my head but I know there are others too….

I had a huge sunflower do it last year, it was wild looking…

After you smoke for awhile there’s nothing else to do but start growing, after growing for awhile then you’ve gotta start making seed… after making sees for awhile or decades, well…. I think many of us get bored…

Experimenting keeps us on our toes, is fun & rekindles the spirit; I’m all for it and hope that plants a winner for you…. !

PS: nobody & I mean nobody hates trimming more than I - ha

 

[Stoneguru]

I was talking about variegation and specifically mentioned that, where did 16 leaflets come from in my post you replied to?

That said I’ve posted pictures in here before of plants with 18 leaflets on single leafs, perhaps more, there was no space left so it began layering them. I and others have also posted flowers growing out of the petiole where it meets the leaflets (have had this way more times than I can count), I’ve posted a Cambodian that had over 10 sites at each nodes on the primary stem exhibiting extreme whorled phyllotaxy etc etc…

You can increase leaflet count simply by pumping a plant full of certain minerals, IMO none of these “unique” characteristics are limited to NL or Haze, it’s in cannabis in general.

Mutation to me would be finding me a C4 cannabis plant vs C3; I’ve been thinking of an experiment lately to graft a cannabis plant on a C4 rootstock, perhaps sorghum or something like that just for shits & giggles…

Well at least we can both laugh about a fasciated flower which is not a beneficial mutation or rare anomaly trait beyond ornamental curiosity. whorled phyllotaxy is problematic and is not useful for breeding purposes beyond that imo

The topic has come up many times and people get triggered by it. However, anytime further inquiry is made it becomes clear that people have very limited and generally no personal experience breeding and studying with these traits at all.

These anomalous mutations may be 1:100 like THH or not at all or maybe 15-20 or more% like Fgen of Nevil's. However, when asked for documentation of line work, selective breeding, generations of work there is me and then there are speculators.

Of course you have found this or similar trait of some sort, but did you test, breed or develop any of the traits to learn about what happens and do the work? No. Not here or anywhere else public. No one seems to beyond the one off picture.

There are 2 basic groups of people on forum regarding breeding and fixing rare anomalies traits or mutations. There are curious people who wonder about it and people that immediately disregard it as nothing. Neither one does the work to learn or applies the time to experiment and study it in breeding.

Otherwise you would know that that little half leaf variegation would be amplified to over 70% of the population if crossed with the meristem mutation plant making its progeny extremely easy to identify among the population as a whole.

It's usefulness is very clear. Look at all of @stickybandits THH. There are very few different traits from one plant to another, NLD breeding by visual markers in poly-hybrids is conveluted mess.

Crossing to BLD becomes easier to distinguish at the expense of all other novel NLD traits By doing a cross as suggested the majority of the population will have 3-5 additional visual markers fixed across the parent population.

There is nothing lost in quality or vigor. The Cannabinoids and terpenes are all equatorial haze with no BLD properties.

Any cross from there or further line work with THH would make the parent selected from sticky batch of say Alpine x THH extremely easy to observe in its crosses back to THH or anything else.

My impression is that you have found random anomalies and never actually pursued any ongoing testing and development to learn about potentials.

Its a tool. Again Serrations, leaf ratios, gland size, flowering times. These are all just shotgun approaches in a poly-hybrid mess of blended traits like haze. Either traits and markers have value in breeding or they don't.

By effectively attaching or fixing a very uncommon set of traits across the majority of the population without compromising any NLD equatorial traits has a greater value in breeding then many of these other because it is tagged at a specific place and time, not the speculation of counting serrations on f-10 haze batches.

This then puts on a whole display even in line work to be able to not only have more data points to select towards or away, but observe to whole range of how trait interrelationships. How the synergize or don't. What other trait may accompany. Etc.

It's a tool. One that has a lot of potential. A lot of people walk by a stick and a rock and keep going. Not everyone puts them together into a hammer to build something else.

Some are dreamers, some scoff at new Ideas. Ancient problem. I like answering a question with an action and the journey. Sometimes I am right, sometimes I am wrong, but on this particular subject I am very very happy I didn't listen to the nay doers.

Science, the arts, technology. It all advances only because people try and discovered something others said didn't exist. On this subject there are many people who never pursued answers with actions.

I find it very interesting to build in additional traits beyond the common ones. It has also becoming very useful. Sticky has worked with a few Alpine Haze as have others. It's not a nutrient application.

Anyway. You said you had more examples of the meristem and petiole mutations then you could count in landrace and or other plants not related to 5haze.

Can you link those threads? A friend pointed out one in a Golden Loas just today. They do exist in relatively rare numbers. Their usefulness is very limited without doing the work to give them purpose talking what is common and making it common.

I don't mean to be condescending, but it really is always the the same reactions over the years A lot of spectators and speculators either interested or not interested, but very few doers following through and contributing anything of value or able to comprehend potentials. Potentials which are honestly fascinating to most people.

Either way. This is THH haze thread. I am the only one with any meaningful record working with and developing these traits and there isn't anyone else beyond speculators.

Sticky. You know what will happen if you cross and amplify that trait. My comment could have been as simple as that.

In the words of Tom. End of.

 

[Stoneguru]

Well at least we can both laugh about a fasciated flower which is not a beneficial mutation or rare anomaly trait beyond ornamental curiosity. whorled phyllotaxy is problematic and is not useful for breeding purposes beyond that imo

The topic has come up many times and people get triggered by it. However, anytime further inquiry is made it becomes clear that people have very limited and generally no personal experience breeding and studying with these traits at all.

These anomalous mutations may be 1:100 like THH or not at all or maybe 15-20 or more% like Fgen of Nevil's. However, when asked for documentation of line work, selective breeding, generations of work there is me and then there are speculators.

Of course you have found this or similar trait of some sort, but did you test, breed or develop any of the traits to learn about what happens and do the work? No. Not here or anywhere else public. No one seems to beyond the one off picture.

There are 2 basic groups of people on forum regarding breeding and fixing rare anomalies traits or mutations. There are curious people who wonder about it and people that immediately disregard it as nothing. Neither one does the work to learn or applies the time to experiment and study it in breeding.

Otherwise you would know that that little half leaf variegation would be amplified to over 70% of the population if crossed with the meristem mutation plant making its progeny extremely easy to identify among the population as a whole.

It's usefulness is very clear. Look at all of @stickybandits THH. There are very few different traits from one plant to another, NLD breeding by visual markers in poly-hybrids is conveluted mess.

Crossing to BLD becomes easier to distinguish at the expense of all other novel NLD traits By doing a cross as suggested the majority of the population will have 3-5 additional visual markers fixed across the parent population.

There is nothing lost in quality or vigor. The Cannabinoids and terpenes are all equatorial haze with no BLD properties.

Any cross from there or further line work with THH would make the parent selected from sticky batch of say Alpine x THH extremely easy to observe in its crosses back to THH or anything else.

My impression is that you have found random anomalies and never actually pursued any ongoing testing and development to learn about potentials.

Its a tool. Again Serrations, leaf ratios, gland size, flowering times. These are all just shotgun approaches in a poly-hybrid mess of blended traits like haze. Either traits and markers have value in breeding or they don't.

By effectively attaching or fixing a very uncommon set of traits across the majority of the population without compromising any NLD equatorial traits has a greater value in breeding then many of these other because it is tagged at a specific place and time, not the speculation of counting serrations on f-10 haze batches.

This then puts on a whole display even in line work to be able to not only have more data points to select towards or away, but observe to whole range of how trait interrelationships. How the synergize or don't. What other trait may accompany. Etc.

It's a tool. One that has a lot of potential. A lot of people walk by a stick and a rock and keep going. Not everyone puts them together into a hammer to build something else.

Some are dreamers, some scoff at new Ideas. Ancient problem. I like answering a question with an action and the journey. Sometimes I am right, sometimes I am wrong, but on this particular subject I am very very happy I didn't listen to the nay doers.

Science, the arts, technology. It all advances only because people try and discovered something others said didn't exist. On this subject there are many people who never pursued answers with actions.

I find it very interesting to build in additional traits beyond the common ones. It has also becoming very useful. Sticky has worked with a few Alpine Haze as have others. It's not a nutrient application.

Anyway. You said you had more examples of the meristem and petiole mutations then you could count in landrace and or other plants not related to 5haze.

Can you link those threads? A friend pointed out one in a Golden Loas just today. They do exist in relatively rare numbers. Their usefulness is very limited without doing the work to give them purpose talking what is common and making it common.

I don't mean to be condescending, but it really is always the the same reactions over the years A lot of spectators and speculators either interested or not interested, but very few doers following through and contributing anything of value or able to comprehend potentials. Potentials which are honestly fascinating to most people.

Either way. This is THH haze thread. I am the only one with any meaningful record working with and developing these traits and there isn't anyone else beyond speculators.

Sticky. You know what will happen if you cross and amplify that trait. My comment could have been as simple as that.

In the words of Tom. End of.

Also @led05 I apologize. I am just in a cranky mood today Don't take anything person. It isn't you.

 

[Raco]

Good job amigos
I have never seen fasciated leaves in THH and DC ...and their hybrids.
@Stoneguru
When you say red (dot?) on the petioles...do your mean the leaf base ...the intersection of the leaflets?
In this case I think the red dot comes from the DC
DC x THH f2

I have more questions but first I have ti read your posts with more attention

 

[ledo]

Well at least we can both laugh about a fasciated flower which is not a beneficial mutation or rare anomaly trait beyond ornamental curiosity. whorled phyllotaxy is problematic and is not useful for breeding purposes beyond that imo

The topic has come up many times and people get triggered by it. However, anytime further inquiry is made it becomes clear that people have very limited and generally no personal experience breeding and studying with these traits at all.

These anomalous mutations may be 1:100 like THH or not at all or maybe 15-20 or more% like Fgen of Nevil's. However, when asked for documentation of line work, selective breeding, generations of work there is me and then there are speculators.

Of course you have found this or similar trait of some sort, but did you test, breed or develop any of the traits to learn about what happens and do the work? No. Not here or anywhere else public. No one seems to beyond the one off picture.

There are 2 basic groups of people on forum regarding breeding and fixing rare anomalies traits or mutations. There are curious people who wonder about it and people that immediately disregard it as nothing. Neither one does the work to learn or applies the time to experiment and study it in breeding.

Otherwise you would know that that little half leaf variegation would be amplified to over 70% of the population if crossed with the meristem mutation plant making its progeny extremely easy to identify among the population as a whole.

It's usefulness is very clear. Look at all of @stickybandits THH. There are very few different traits from one plant to another, NLD breeding by visual markers in poly-hybrids is conveluted mess.

Crossing to BLD becomes easier to distinguish at the expense of all other novel NLD traits By doing a cross as suggested the majority of the population will have 3-5 additional visual markers fixed across the parent population.

There is nothing lost in quality or vigor. The Cannabinoids and terpenes are all equatorial haze with no BLD properties.

Any cross from there or further line work with THH would make the parent selected from sticky batch of say Alpine x THH extremely easy to observe in its crosses back to THH or anything else.

My impression is that you have found random anomalies and never actually pursued any ongoing testing and development to learn about potentials.

Its a tool. Again Serrations, leaf ratios, gland size, flowering times. These are all just shotgun approaches in a poly-hybrid mess of blended traits like haze. Either traits and markers have value in breeding or they don't.

By effectively attaching or fixing a very uncommon set of traits across the majority of the population without compromising any NLD equatorial traits has a greater value in breeding then many of these other because it is tagged at a specific place and time, not the speculation of counting serrations on f-10 haze batches.

This then puts on a whole display even in line work to be able to not only have more data points to select towards or away, but observe to whole range of how trait interrelationships. How the synergize or don't. What other trait may accompany. Etc.

It's a tool. One that has a lot of potential. A lot of people walk by a stick and a rock and keep going. Not everyone puts them together into a hammer to build something else.

Some are dreamers, some scoff at new Ideas. Ancient problem. I like answering a question with an action and the journey. Sometimes I am right, sometimes I am wrong, but on this particular subject I am very very happy I didn't listen to the nay doers.

Science, the arts, technology. It all advances only because people try and discovered something others said didn't exist. On this subject there are many people who never pursued answers with actions.

I find it very interesting to build in additional traits beyond the common ones. It has also becoming very useful. Sticky has worked with a few Alpine Haze as have others. It's not a nutrient application.

Anyway. You said you had more examples of the meristem and petiole mutations then you could count in landrace and or other plants not related to 5haze.

Can you link those threads? A friend pointed out one in a Golden Loas just today. They do exist in relatively rare numbers. Their usefulness is very limited without doing the work to give them purpose talking what is common and making it common.

I don't mean to be condescending, but it really is always the the same reactions over the years A lot of spectators and speculators either interested or not interested, but very few doers following through and contributing anything of value or able to comprehend potentials. Potentials which are honestly fascinating to most people.

Either way. This is THH haze thread. I am the only one with any meaningful record working with and developing these traits and there isn't anyone else beyond speculators.

Sticky. You know what will happen if you cross and amplify that trait. My comment could have been as simple as that.

In the words of Tom. End of.

Yes both Fasciation & whorled phyllotaxy in cannabis are negative traits, I agree

But If you are asking if I have specifically bred for plants that toss flowers or leaf out of where the petiole meets the base of the leaflets on a fan leaf; well no I haven’t as it wasn’t of material substance to me and I’ve seen it across numerous hybrids as well as landraces. Due fact I didn’t find it material nor rare (I’ve grown plenty enough plants over the years I don’t even pay attention to it aside from it being symbolic of a healthy happy plant tbh) it’s just not something I’ve singled out in my posts here either, you wanna search the few thousand I’ve made have at it, I’d be curious to see what you find. One other big problem is for years I’ve been posting far more of my work in an invite only private forum vs here but some is here too…

I still don’t get why nor agree this is such a noble search, or is it just your particular search that is so much superior to all others?

If you keep patting yourself on the back for this “noble” cause of following down that specific path of this expression your arms may start hurting - I think it’s a good project but holding yourself out as X and everyone else in here and elsewhere as inferior “speculators” well ya it sounds a bit condescending (as you know) and again, it’s a trait and certainly not a mutation, not by a long shot…

You’re more than welcome to choose what to chase & it’s interesting to me, I even respect it, but to demean someone else (and seemingly everyone else but for YOU, the only one lol) you don’t know jack shit about kinda says more about you and sucks a bit…

Talk to us about how your petiole leaflet “mutation” affects quality, please..?

PS: I think THH shows a good deal of variation, just go through this thread !

 

[FTL]

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now dont laugh ..this was my most extreme sat pheno from the thh f2s pheno 6 she was like a pure thai the longest flowering etc this a few buds grown outdoor uk harvested 1/12 /23 despite her looks still a real nice smooth smoke

Top effort for your lat man, did you have them in a greenhouse ?

 

[ledo]

Also @led05 I apologize. I am just in a cranky mood today Don't take anything person. It isn't you.

All good buddy; I believe nearly all disagreement are constructive and ultimately how we’re pushed and learn; I just respectively choose different paths to follow than you when experimenting…

I also don’t think that trait alone can be linked to exceptional or unusual quality or perhaps even better than average quality, another reason I haven’t chased it even though seeing it numerous times over the decades

I’d love to hear more about your experiences with it though and what you believe it means / equates to as far as quality, health, vigor etc

PS: you aren’t ever gonna offend me so no worries there

PPS: something I have intentionally chased is extreme waxy like petioles / leaflets / fans, almost like the plant can’t even contain all its juices & cannabinoids - waxy far beyond just oily

Here’s a example of a Male Gambian leaf, not sure many have chased this nor even had the chance to grow pure Gambians either, I feel blessed no doubts, cannabis renaissance I believe were in…

Lots of work to do, so little time

 

[harvestreaper]

Top effort for your lat man, did you have them in a greenhouse ?

it was my cut grown by a good friend and with no greenhouse an just a lil comfrey feed i agree they made a good effort

 

[AmericanFarmer]

Well guys and gals it’s taken me 6 days to re read this entire thread , really enjoyed EVERYTHING from Tom Hill popping in here blasting people then getting banned, then coming back here after ban is over blasting again to everyone’s contribution to this Haze thread, the good , the bad, and the ugly ,
That’s why this haze plant is so special.
Thank you all and I look forward to what becomes of this new year 2025 and beyond. Take care my Haze Brotha’s and sistas. Everyone have a safe weekend

AF

 

[Stoneguru]

All good buddy; I believe nearly all disagreement are constructive and ultimately how we’re pushed and learn; I just respectively choose different paths to follow than you when experimenting…

I also don’t think that trait alone can be linked to exceptional or unusual quality or perhaps even better than average quality, another reason I haven’t chased it even though seeing it numerous times over the decades

I’d love to hear more about your experiences with it though and what you believe it means / equates to as far as quality, health, vigor etc

PS: you aren’t ever gonna offend me so no worries there

PPS: something I have intentionally chased is extreme waxy like petioles / leaflets / fans, almost like the plant can’t even contain all its juices & cannabinoids - waxy far beyond just oily

Here’s a example of a Male Gambian leaf, not sure many have chased this nor even had the chance to grow pure Gambians either, I feel blessed no doubts, cannabis renaissance I believe were in…

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Lots of work to do, so little time

The project I've been developing for the last 4 years or so started with this trait which meant very little to me at the time. Honestly this is one of the best landrace depictions of what Nevil considered a favorable indicator within his lines.

Context is everything and there are no absolutes. We are human beings so when we find a keeper we're going to note all of its traits and can't help from being compelled to favor them in the future.

I was running 88 hunt Posting pictures Dwight called out that plant and said as much. I realized it was one of only a couple the cuts didn't take and took more in the stretch.

I would not have retaken them otherwise. 88 haze indoors was a task. Ultimately it was the best plant of the hunt, where all other mutations sprang from and still has the highest ocimene and CBG of the piffcon entries.

Maybe it's all just a coincidence, but patterns of coincidence are notable. Maybe building in a marker to a favorite came first or maybe it already was there.

Your Gambian has me happily adding another tick for the likelihood of Viet, Loas, Cambodian being a very real roll in the haze make up.

This is another topic that gets hate from those pinned to the Colombian, Thai, Mex India narrative.

Millions of Viet kong forged through the jungles for over a decade created an unparalleled engineering marvel. An artery right between Vietnam and Thailand. Networking through loas and Cambodia. North South.

Then million of Vietnamese fled east west in a mass migration to Thailand to escape with half million American soldiers that passed through all of it returning to all the hippies.

Yet. Nope. Only Thai in that haze. Nothing else from SE Asia. People can Believe what they want and their are no absolutes, but that petiole proportion shape color and the leaflet coming off are all spot on to 80% of what came out of that hunt. I love stories, and traits aren't everything nor guarantee the end product.

However. A trait may be more reliable than a story. Especially when there are many more around it. I'll enjoy reading up on the Gambian and also encourage looking out for this trait in THH

 

[Genghis Kush.]

The project I've been developing for the last 4 years or so started with this trait which meant very little to me at the time. Honestly this is one of the best landrace depictions of what Nevil considered a favorable indicator within his lines.

Context is everything and there are no absolutes. We are human beings so when we find a keeper we're going to note all of its traits and can't help from being compelled to favor them in the future.

I was running 88 hunt Posting pictures Dwight called out that plant and said as much. I realized it was one of only a couple the cuts didn't take and took more in the stretch.

I would not have retaken them otherwise. 88 haze indoors was a task. Ultimately it was the best plant of the hunt, where all other mutations sprang from and still has the highest ocimene and CBG of the piffcon entries.

Maybe it's all just a coincidence, but patterns of coincidence are notable. Maybe building in a marker to a favorite came first or maybe it already was there.

Your Gambian has me happily adding another tick for the likelihood of Viet, Loas, Cambodian being a very real roll in the haze make up.

This is another topic that gets hate from those pinned to the Colombian, Thai, Mex India narrative.

Millions of Viet kong forged through the jungles for over a decade created an unparalleled engineering marvel. An artery right between Vietnam and Thailand. Networking through loas and Cambodia. North South.

Then million of Vietnamese fled east west in a mass migration to Thailand to escape with half million American soldiers that passed through all of it returning to all the hippies.

Yet. Nope. Only Thai in that haze. Nothing else from SE Asia. People can Believe what they want and their are no absolutes, but that petiole proportion shape color and the leaflet coming off are all spot on to 80% of what came out of that hunt. I love stories, and traits aren't everything nor guarantee the end product.

However. A trait may be more reliable than a story. Especially when there are many more around it. I'll enjoy reading up on the Gambian and also encourage looking out for this trait in THH

You may want to look into the history of south east Asia and its peoples. the lines you see on a map were not always where they are now, Nor were the people.

 

[@hempy]

This is another topic that gets hate from those pinned to the Colombian, Thai, Mex India narrative.

Millions of Viet kong forged through the jungles for over a decade created an unparalleled engineering marvel. An artery right between Vietnam and Thailand. Networking through loas and Cambodia. North South.

Then million of Vietnamese fled east west in a mass migration to Thailand to escape with half million American soldiers that passed through all of it returning to all the hippies.

Yet. Nope. Only Thai in that haze. Nothing else from SE Asia. People can Believe what they want and their are no absolutes, but that petiole proportion shape color and the leaflet coming off are all spot on to 80% of what came out of that hunt. I love stories, and traits aren't everything nor guarantee the end product.

Thailand has a long history with Cannabis, Vietnam does not and at the time of the Vietnam War both Cambodia and Vietnam Viet kong were very anti cannabis where Thailand was not you should research it.

Thai cannabis was coincided some of the best if not the best cannabis in the world, and you can't compare what Thai cannabis is found there now to what was there even in the mid 80s.

I never saw or heard of any cannabis from Vietnam being exported here Heroin yes cannabis no, but I did see lots of Thai.

What makes you think Vietnamese is in Haze ?

 

[Stoneguru]

Thailand has a long history with Cannabis, Vietnam does not and at the time of the Vietnam War both Cambodia and Vietnam Viet kong were very anti cannabis where Thailand was not you should research it.

Thai cannabis was coincided some of the best if not the best cannabis in the world, and you can't compare what Thai cannabis is found there now to what was there even in the mid 80s.

I never saw or heard of any cannabis from Vietnam being exported here Heroin yes cannabis no, but I did see lots of Thai.

What makes you think Vietnamese is in Haze ?

There a lot of weed in California to, but everyone knows the real shit is in Idaho. California is always running there to get their head stash and not telling anyone to protect their plug. Best kept secret...until now. Thailand, Vietnam. Same thing. Gotta know how to read between the lines

 

[AmericanFarmer]

I thought this whole time the real shit was in Oklahoma, with the Indians and shit.
Damn…. Now I gotta go explore Idaho.

 

[Stoneguru]

I thought this whole time the real shit was in Oklahoma, with the Indians and shit.
Damn…. Now I gotta go explore Idaho.

No, you are correct .

I don't even know if we should be talking about the real emerald triangle Oklahoma, Iowa and Idaho before it went to the haze bros. Man I wish people had it before it was cut down with Thai. Not even close to the same effect since then

I hope we are on encrypted messaging right now.

I think you are referring to Okie from Muskogee who crossed it to Okobogi and then finally Idaho...Arjan is said to be lining up helicopters for a deep plains hunt into the heart of origin haze. Kansas...the indigenous are far more dangerous than Colombia. They also aren't open to trade.

It's going to be a shit show.

 

[AmericanFarmer]

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[mexcurandero420]

Thailand has a long history with Cannabis, Vietnam does not and at the time of the Vietnam War both Cambodia and Vietnam Viet kong were very anti cannabis where Thailand was not you should research it.

Thai cannabis was coincided some of the best if not the best cannabis in the world, and you can't compare what Thai cannabis is found there now to what was there even in the mid 80s.

I never saw or heard of any cannabis from Vietnam being exported here Heroin yes cannabis no, but I did see lots of Thai.

What makes you think Vietnamese is in Haze ?

Thai sticks were imported from Laos.

 

[@hempy]

Thai sticks were imported from Laos.

So all the Thai grown in Thailand by farmers and then bought by middlemen that had it sent to Bangkok where it was then graded and packed and then sold to smugglers back in the day to then be exported out to places like the US was that from Laos too ?

How many times did you score and smoke Thai sticks back in the 70s and 80s ?

Did you see any Laos sticks or Vietnamese sticks back then, I know I never did.

Sam's post.

A strong Thai influence is what was posted, not a strong Laos or Vietnamese influence.

 

[AmericanFarmer]

So all the Thai grown in Thailand by farmers and then bought by middlemen that had it sent to Bangkok where it was then graded and packed and then sold to smugglers back in the day to then be exported out to places like the US was that from Laos too ?

How many times did you score and smoke Thai sticks back in the 70s and 80s ?

Did you see any Laos sticks or Vietnamese sticks back then, I know I never did.

Sam's post.

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A strong Thai influence is what was posted, not a strong Laos or Vietnamese influence.

Yes but…. Sam didn’t know if his Brothers Of Eternal Love imported Thai stick or Thai CAME from Thailand or Laos
How could he have known was he on the smugglers plane?
These Haze brothers were just smart enough to grow and play with the imports of their time ( they didn’t know exactly where the heck it was coming from)
Like TH and so many others they just had enough foresight to play and hold on to the genetics.

AF

 

[ledo]

Thailand has a long history with Cannabis, Vietnam does not and at the time of the Vietnam War both Cambodia and Vietnam Viet kong were very anti cannabis where Thailand was not you should research it.

Thai cannabis was coincided some of the best if not the best cannabis in the world, and you can't compare what Thai cannabis is found there now to what was there even in the mid 80s.

I never saw or heard of any cannabis from Vietnam being exported here Heroin yes cannabis no, but I did see lots of Thai.

What makes you think Vietnamese is in Haze ?

So vietkong were super anti- cannabis but pro Heroin, that’s interesting…

Truth is we should all pay respect to the provenance we know, pay that forwards but also always taking it with a huge grain of salt, nobody truly knows for certain, even after growing it where it truly came from…

But the best we can do is grow it, experience and be as accurate as we can to a plants origins & provenance… but ultimately whom cares if it’s Laotian or Thai etc, let the plants do the talking

Any additional stories, tall tales etc is nothing but HYPE… and for the marketers, not true growers & breeders..

Peace