Tom Hill Haze

[GrandpaMillenial]

There’s no need to reverse males to smoke them. Just smoke the leftovers of male flowers once they have dropped pollen you will notice a light effect but which is noticeable enough to see what kind of effect the male carries. Of course you need to smoke more than you would smoke female flowers but these is no need to reverse the male. I do this all the time to see if the male is worth the effort

This is the way to do it.

I been letting my males just flower out for a bit. I have found several plants that fill up with male flowers and then start either throwing a couple pistils or just a wave of pistils or pistils coming out of the male flowers.

So just let them show you what they truly are, Male or Herm. If you are like me you will grow and smoke a herm. I will not breed with a herm.

I had two cambodian males to choose from.

as you can see I picked some smaller leaves from around the male flowers. also you can see its still pretty early in flowering.

the leaves dry in above a week

then smoke that shit

i was pretty excited to have a male that made my joint greasy
Thank you Hempy for convincing me to do this.

 

[flower~power]

How in the hell you find out "Lindau" is "Laredo" ????
You are cop?
Or you are like Peter Falk,Columbo??
Was in the 80-is his personal auto mechanic in the Auto Europa shop at the Santa Monica Bld.
Such great man,was allways sooo friendly.
Sorry for of topic but I think :
Enjoy every minut of your live!

He’s a headhunter by profession… that’s what he does ….

 

[flower~power]

Did I miss any pictures of Tom Hill’s recent Haze release from those months ago?

 

[Salva]

This is the way to do it.

I been letting my males just flower out for a bit. I have found several plants that fill up with male flowers and then start either throwing a couple pistils or just a wave of pistils or pistils coming out of the male flowers.

So just let them show you what they truly are, Male or Herm. If you are like me you will grow and smoke a herm. I will not breed with a herm.

I had two cambodian males to choose from.



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as you can see I picked some smaller leaves from around the male flowers. also you can see its still pretty early in flowering.

the leaves dry in above a week

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then smoke that shit
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i was pretty excited to have a male that made my joint greasy
Thank you Hempy for convincing me to do this.

OMG mi yerba tiene mejor pinta que eso y seguro que sabe peor

 

[g0dzilla]

There’s no need to reverse males to smoke them. Just smoke the leftovers of male flowers once they have dropped pollen you will notice a light effect but which is noticeable enough to see what kind of effect the male carries. Of course you need to smoke more than you would smoke female flowers but these is no need to reverse the male. I do this all the time to see if the male is worth the effort

This is the way to do it.

I been letting my males just flower out for a bit. I have found several plants that fill up with male flowers and then start either throwing a couple pistils or just a wave of pistils or pistils coming out of the male flowers.

So just let them show you what they truly are, Male or Herm. If you are like me you will grow and smoke a herm. I will not breed with a herm.

I had two cambodian males to choose from.



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as you can see I picked some smaller leaves from around the male flowers. also you can see its still pretty early in flowering.

the leaves dry in above a week

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then smoke that shit
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i was pretty excited to have a male that made my joint greasy
Thank you Hempy for convincing me to do this.

I see where you guys are coming from but making decisions off a few tokes isn't good enough for me. I've had great success reversing female plants. Super happy with the results. Back to posi haze topic, hopefully.

Cheers

 

[Lindau]

He’s a headhunter by profession… that’s what he does ….

I WAS ONLY jocking!!!!!!

 

[flower~power]

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

OMG mi yerba tiene mejor pinta que eso y seguro que sabe peor

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

I see where you guys are coming from but making decisions off a few tokes isn't good enough for me. I've had great success reversing female plants. Super happy with the results. Back to posi haze topic, hopefully.

Cheers

Tom left us instructions on how to genotype his plants with reversing. Your really close! Unfortunately, due to the TOU i can’t share any screenshots.

But like you said, back to Tom’s Posi haze.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

Do a search here on ICM and you'll come up with this thread and I think a thread about tanks or something like that. Signal to noise ratio on IG and the rest of social media is something I won't deal with.

_Dude_, I fucking trust UB.

Gosh, wish I knew how to grow big plants.

Response:

SEPTEMBER 13, 2000
High Uncle Ben,

My name is Sjoerd , I am one of the growers/ gene finders for the Flying

dutchmen seed co. In answer to your Haze queries: The Haze that we posses is

the original cross between the 4 sativa types you mentioned. It is however

not from Wernard, but from a guy known as Sam the Skunkman Sam the miracle

man etc. He created and patented the Skunk #1, the original hazes and also

introduced many other fine varieties to Holland in the early 80's. The

advantage we had was the hectares of greenhouses we had to select good

parents, and the patience to test the combining abilities between many of

the already selected parent plants. Since the Haze genetics came to holland

it was not inbred extensively so I can't tell you in which generation

they are in you would be better to ask rc. As for atributes the Haze we

have is the green haze. It was selected specifically for breeding purposes

that is to say don't expect 20% t.h.c until after you create your own F1

hybrid. from what I know Haze reacts better when you hybridise them than

when you inbreed them, It brings out the best in them.

Given the choice I would cross the haze with our Afghan Skunk or with the

Pot of Gold, it's more work as these are F1 plants already but if you know

what to look for you will get very interesting results. always choose a

minimum of 5 parents of each sex and try all the combinations to pinpoint

the best combining abilities. The Thaitanic is an interesting choice and one

in five do show a small number of male flowers late in flowering, mabey more

in the next generation, careful selection and some gentle light stress on

cuttings will give you an idea of how hermy they might be. the photoperiod

could start on 13/11 then to 11/13. or 12/12 from the start. If you want to

breed then an immediate short day would speed the plants up alot plus they

get mighty large if you veg them more than a couple of weeks. please write

back if you have any questions i will be happy to help. Sjoerd

Original email to TFD:

> Hello, my name is Uncle Ben. I post to (and used to moderate) cann.com and

> having been around cannabis forums for a long time. I've been putting in a

> plug for you here and there after talking to Gypsy, RC, and my email buddies

> about your quality reputation, background (Positronics/Wernard support) and

> strains. Hope you will take some time to answer a few questions for me.

>

> I have an interest in your Original Haze, for small time breeding purposes.

> Stock sold through Heaven's Stairway. I talked to Richard who wrote me from

> the Dam recently, and apparently visited with you folks at the time. After

> answering a few questions RC suggested I email you for additional info.

>

> I am a seasoned grower and don't have a problem managing sativas. What I'm

> looking for is a strain that will impart an excellent potency phenotype to its

> progeny, for a personal smoke for me and my wife principally. I have the

> genetics for yields, so yield is not that important; potency is. I have

> quite a few Dutch strains and the potency is not all that impressive compared

> to some of the old Colombia and Mexican sativas I have grown out.

> Questions....

>

> 1. Is the strain you sell the original strain that Wernard got from whomever

> that was bred by the Haze brothers from the Oakland Bay area? Is it THE pure

> unadulterated haze hybrid consisting of Col. Gold X Acapulco Gold X Thai X S.

> Indian?

>

> 2. Have you backcrossed this strain into a F10 (wherever it's at), to try to......


I have 3 of the originals left.

UB

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

This is the way to do it.

I been letting my males just flower out for a bit. I have found several plants that fill up with male flowers and then start either throwing a couple pistils or just a wave of pistils or pistils coming out of the male flowers.

So just let them show you what they truly are, Male or Herm. If you are like me you will grow and smoke a herm. I will not breed with a herm.

I had two cambodian males to choose from.



View attachment 19056610

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as you can see I picked some smaller leaves from around the male flowers. also you can see its still pretty early in flowering.

the leaves dry in above a week

View attachment 19056608
View attachment 19056609

then smoke that shit
View attachment 19056612

i was pretty excited to have a male that made my joint greasy
Thank you Hempy for convincing me to do this.

Nice, but what happened to the leaves?

 

[led05]

Hi!
Yes I"m Laredo.
The second citys right Name is Xayaboury.
All the seeds arrived healty in the straws?

Yes years ago now; a lot of work has been put into some X’s along with Cambodians I got from Musta Funk, it took years to find solid & stable Laotians but eventually we did (me & satva) and have been improving them ever since. Some of the Laotian (many) were extremely wild ladyboys but to be expected, your travels are greatly appreciated.

I shot you a PM, hit me back

Peace

 

[led05]

How in the hell you find out "Lindau" is "Laredo" ????
You are cop?
Or you are like Peter Falk,Columbo??
Was in the 80-is his personal auto mechanic in the Auto Europa shop at the Santa Monica Bld.
Such great man,was allways sooo friendly.
Sorry for of topic but I think :
Enjoy every minut of your live!

I have a photographic memory & recall how you write, where you’re from & where you travel - and I was only 95% sure until you confirmed it - haha

 

[led05]

There’s no need to reverse males to smoke them. Just smoke the leftovers of male flowers once they have dropped pollen you will notice a light effect but which is noticeable enough to see what kind of effect the male carries. Of course you need to smoke more than you would smoke female flowers but these is no need to reverse the male. I do this all the time to see if the male is worth the effort

I sniff the pollen too but I’m odd and also care deeply about selection and will go to all lengths; but as I also already said the males will tell us endless info if we know what we’re looking for wout consuming them in any fashion as well

Peace

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Most males are pretty boring to smoke. But when you smoke a good one you notice it.

 

[Sanjuro]

I sniff the pollen too but I’m odd and also care deeply about selection and will go to all lengths; but as I also already said the males will tell us endless info if we know what we’re looking for wout consuming them in any fashion as well

Peace

100%

It’s very important to study traits starting from the first leaves on seedlings. Taking your time during first the grow and getting to know the lines well will make the selection process easier when your shifting through the next generations

I do a big part of my selections when the plants are still vegging. These days i can’t even be bothered to flower plants that do not have the right stuff already in veg.

Most males are pretty boring to smoke. But when you smoke a good one you notice it.

It’s only a selection tool for me but it’s one of the most important ones

I’d say the effect is like micro dosing females. but of course the larger amount you smoke male flowers the more noticeable the effects are



The longer the plants are flowering like Hazes or landrace sativas the more important smoke testing males becomes for me in order to not to waste growing time. But i smoke every male i’m going to use for seed making

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

Most males are pretty boring to smoke. But when you smoke a good one you notice it.

That's what she said.

 

[led05]

Yeah I had a similar problem with Ace they thought it was a good idea to put their whole seed catalog in there along with the seeds. Made it through ok though

Alls well that ends well; as they say

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Gosh, wish I knew how to grow big plants.

Response:

SEPTEMBER 13, 2000
High Uncle Ben,

My name is Sjoerd , I am one of the growers/ gene finders for the Flying

dutchmen seed co. In answer to your Haze queries: The Haze that we posses is

the original cross between the 4 sativa types you mentioned. It is however

not from Wernard, but from a guy known as Sam the Skunkman Sam the miracle

man etc. He created and patented the Skunk #1, the original hazes and also

introduced many other fine varieties to Holland in the early 80's. The

advantage we had was the hectares of greenhouses we had to select good

parents, and the patience to test the combining abilities between many of

the already selected parent plants. Since the Haze genetics came to holland

it was not inbred extensively so I can't tell you in which generation

they are in you would be better to ask rc. As for atributes the Haze we

have is the green haze. It was selected specifically for breeding purposes

that is to say don't expect 20% t.h.c until after you create your own F1

hybrid. from what I know Haze reacts better when you hybridise them than

when you inbreed them, It brings out the best in them.

Given the choice I would cross the haze with our Afghan Skunk or with the

Pot of Gold, it's more work as these are F1 plants already but if you know

what to look for you will get very interesting results. always choose a

minimum of 5 parents of each sex and try all the combinations to pinpoint

the best combining abilities. The Thaitanic is an interesting choice and one

in five do show a small number of male flowers late in flowering, mabey more

in the next generation, careful selection and some gentle light stress on

cuttings will give you an idea of how hermy they might be. the photoperiod

could start on 13/11 then to 11/13. or 12/12 from the start. If you want to

breed then an immediate short day would speed the plants up alot plus they

get mighty large if you veg them more than a couple of weeks. please write

back if you have any questions i will be happy to help. Sjoerd

Original email to TFD:

> Hello, my name is Uncle Ben. I post to (and used to moderate) cann.com and

> having been around cannabis forums for a long time. I've been putting in a

> plug for you here and there after talking to Gypsy, RC, and my email buddies

> about your quality reputation, background (Positronics/Wernard support) and

> strains. Hope you will take some time to answer a few questions for me.

>

> I have an interest in your Original Haze, for small time breeding purposes.

> Stock sold through Heaven's Stairway. I talked to Richard who wrote me from

> the Dam recently, and apparently visited with you folks at the time. After

> answering a few questions RC suggested I email you for additional info.

>

> I am a seasoned grower and don't have a problem managing sativas. What I'm

> looking for is a strain that will impart an excellent potency phenotype to its

> progeny, for a personal smoke for me and my wife principally. I have the

> genetics for yields, so yield is not that important; potency is. I have

> quite a few Dutch strains and the potency is not all that impressive compared

> to some of the old Colombia and Mexican sativas I have grown out.

> Questions....

>

> 1. Is the strain you sell the original strain that Wernard got from whomever

> that was bred by the Haze brothers from the Oakland Bay area? Is it THE pure

> unadulterated haze hybrid consisting of Col. Gold X Acapulco Gold X Thai X S.

> Indian?

>

> 2. Have you backcrossed this strain into a F10 (wherever it's at), to try to......


I have 3 of the originals left.

UB


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Thanks so much for the info! I'm pretty sure, no make that I'm _positive_, that pic of FD's Haze is this very _first_ pic posted here on ICM.

"from what I know Haze reacts better when you hybridise them than when you inbreed them, It brings out the best in them."

In going down the Rabbit Hole of the history of NL, I know Nevil thought the combo of NL5 and Hz was the best thing he ever did.

"The advantage we had was the hectares of greenhouses we had to select good parents, and the patience to test the combining abilities between many of the already selected parent plants"

That's what the Dutch brought to the table with U.S genetics! Imagine if Sam or NL Seattle Greg had that fucking freedom to work the plant here in the U.S.???????

" The Haze that we posses is the original cross between the 4 sativa types you mentioned. It is however
not from Wernard, but from a guy known as Sam the Skunkman Sam the miracle man etc. "

Now that clarifies the situation and clears up some questions I've had on the origins of Hz, specifically TH's version.

I'm sure the friendly, helpful participants in this thread will _gently_ correct me if my summation here is incorrect but it appears that TH got his Hz from Positronics, worked the shit out of it, then contacted Sam and wanted to make sure it was OK with him before he decided market his version of Hz. Sam gave his OK and now we have TH Hz.

Gotta tell ya, I made a commitment to myself after I got my NL to F3 that I would _never_ work another variatal but after reading Nevil's posts on the Mr. Nice forum, I'm very fucking tempted to see what some of TH's staminate pollen could do with this. I would even order his seeds, which would be a first for me in almost 25 years.

But if he's fucked with chemical manipulation of sexuality, that pollen ain't getting anywhere _near_ this plant... she is fucking _special_ and my shit doesn't throw hermies :

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Nice, but what happened to the leaves?

I didn’t smoke the fan leaves or any older plant material.

Started with 16 seed.

As they grew, I tossed out a few deformed plants, trifoliate and such.

Narrowed it down…

Stem rubs, and such, I narrowed it down to 3 girls and 3 boys.

I kept em separate just a little bit longer, sure enough 1 boy and 1 girl had mid flower herms, immediately killed those.

I took several shoots from each of the males, I dried em on a rack.

after they dried…

i powdered the leaves from the shoots…

and they male i was left with, was glorious.

Mr. Mango

Another one of his daily loads, he was really spunkin out the plant jizz