Tom Hill Haze

[g0dzilla]

Ain't gonna defile your name, never heard of you until I searched "Vic High" on this forum several months ago, when I first started to actually participate in this forum.

You gave him respect, so I researched your nym to find out more. Didn't find much except for this thread. You seem to be fairly well respected for the work you've done:

Tom Hill Haze

21 days of veg first day of 12/12, they just gotta lil haircut.

www.icmag.com

I've been involved in multiple threads regarding fucking with the sexuality of cannabis and it got me wondering... have _you_ ever chemically fucked with the sexuality of cannabis? If you have, did you subsequently sell those seeds? See my queston here:

Tom Hill Haze

Beautiful plants and looking like mine do which is good as I'm working with a line of haze with some uncertainty around lineage, though most likely the Tom Hill line. I also got one with orange terps which is interesting as the OT haze I've done before all smell woody/forest floor- as, indeed...

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I'm trying to find at least _one_ well known cannabis developer (I refuse to use the term breeder) who _doesn't_ fuck with the sexuality of cannabis with chemicals and/or stress, more than a Tenderloin District tranny doctor dishing out testosterone and estrogen without looking at genitalia.

You are supposed to be an honest motherfucker, care to give answer?

Tom is the reason I reverse plants.


"With zero doubt in my mind I can tell you that you will make overwhelmingly more genetic progress by using pollen donors of known phenotypic worth (reversed females) than by using pollen from the same number of individuals of unknown phenotypic worth (males) with regards to the matter at hand (drug type cannabis)."

 

[sdd420]

Hey @Old Uncle Ben,

You are one of the _very_ few on this forum who I _know_ will answer my question frankly, honestly and not worry about the bullshit people will post about you for you opinions.

Other than the scant remains of what he has posted on this forum, give me the lowdown and your opinion of Tom Hill. I've never smoked or grew Haze, only heard about it on the BCGA forum from OT1 when you were Ben Dejo instead of Kip. <vbseg>

Researching NL on the Mr. Nice forum after I reverse engineered it, he had _very_ intelligent disagreements with Nevil. I don't think he was active on BCGA but he has respect for Vic High... and I remember you had disagreements with him, as did I, especially about Blueberry.

But I learned more about cannabis development from him than anyone else on the "Internet".

As you know, I was absent from cannabis fora from the Patriot Act until ~2012, so I'm totally ignorant about what went on during that time frame. Even when I started "visiting" cannabis websites after 2012, it was only for technical, lighting and tent info... not seed Haze availability.

Educate me and cure my ignorance about Tom Hill and your general thoughts on Haze, vis a vie Sam vs. Nevil, did TH improve it from Positronics, etc..

Take care,

Charlie

Dude you should be able to find some of Tom’s old threads. He was one of the first to show how to grow big plants, and is well known in Humboldt and Mendo. His Deep Chunk and his Haze are classic strains still today. An original OG

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Dude you should be able to find some of Tom’s old threads. He was one of the first to show how to grow big plants, and is well known in Humboldt and Mendo. His Deep Chunk and his Haze are classic strains still today. An original OG

Do a search here on ICM and you'll come up with this thread and I think a thread about tanks or something like that. Signal to noise ratio on IG and the rest of social media is something I won't deal with.

_Dude_, I fucking trust UB.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Sorry, don't know anything about Tom Hill regarding his Haze. I grew out "his" Monkey Balls, a Deep Chunk pure indica backcross recently and it was really good. He got banned from here less than a year ago FWIW.

I have a ditty from Genefinder of The Flying Dutchman regarding their "green Haze" and correspondence from Sam the Skunkman himself on another computer. Will post it tomorrow if interested. I still have 2 TFD Original Haze beans in the fridge. Genefinder responded that indeed they had the original Haze cross - Acapulco Gold X Colombian Gold X (S. Indian X Thai).

My personal take on Haze and whatever the hell the genetics are these days....is, it's a bunch of forum and seedbank marketing hype, another legend and a crap shoot. If someone gets some good sativa smoke from their faves that had that sativa look, good on them.

I'd look at some of the other choices, maybe landraces like Real Seeds Burmese, Lao Sa, Highland Thai, Champasak, etc. or highly worked Ace crosses like Golden Tiger X Panama or Panama X Malawi, both of which I have. Kicker is the damn hermies regarding Asian genetics.

I have 2 GT X Panama going now in fact. They're outdoors, natural light. Am hoping the photoperiod now and until late Nov. works out.

Best,
Tio

Thanks!

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Sorry, don't know anything about Tom Hill regarding his Haze. I grew out "his" Monkey Balls, a Deep Chunk pure indica backcross recently and it was really good. He got banned from here less than a year ago FWIW.

I have a ditty from Genefinder of The Flying Dutchman regarding their "green Haze" and correspondence from Sam the Skunkman himself on another computer. Will post it tomorrow if interested. I still have 2 TFD Original Haze beans in the fridge. Genefinder responded that indeed they had the original Haze cross - Acapulco Gold X Colombian Gold X (S. Indian X Thai).

My personal take on Haze and whatever the hell the genetics are these days....is, it's a bunch of forum and seedbank marketing hype, another legend and a crap shoot. If someone gets some good sativa smoke from their faves that had that sativa look, good on them.

I'd look at some of the other choices, maybe landraces like Real Seeds Burmese, Lao Sa, Highland Thai, Champasak, etc. or highly worked Ace crosses like Golden Tiger X Panama or Panama X Malawi, both of which I have. Kicker is the damn hermies regarding Asian genetics.

I have 2 GT X Panama going now in fact. They're outdoors, natural light. Am hoping the photoperiod now and until late Nov. works out.

Best,
Tio

I know Gypsy is running some NL / Malawi on a balcony grow that looks pretty good. ACE is another developer that seems to have a good rep around here.

I'm not much for landraces, I want cannabis that has been worked and developed by humans who want to get high or be able to sleep.

 

[Chi13]

I'm not much for landraces, I want cannabis that has been worked and developed by humans who want to get high or be able to sleep.

Landrace have been worked and developed by humans, just within a region rather than hybridised with cannabis from other regions. A lot of people think landrace are just wild cannabis but that isn't what landrace is at all.

 

[RobFromTX]

I find landrace sativas to be far more medicinally beneficial than mainstream hybrids, for everything from pain relief to sleep aid. It effects everyone differently though for sure

 

[Knop]

Sorry, don't know anything about Tom Hill regarding his Haze. I grew out "his" Monkey Balls, a Deep Chunk pure indica backcross recently and it was really good. He got banned from here less than a year ago FWIW.

I have a ditty from Genefinder of The Flying Dutchman regarding their "green Haze" and correspondence from Sam the Skunkman himself on another computer. Will post it tomorrow if interested. I still have 2 TFD Original Haze beans in the fridge. Genefinder responded that indeed they had the original Haze cross - Acapulco Gold X Colombian Gold X (S. Indian X Thai).

My personal take on Haze and whatever the hell the genetics are these days....is, it's a bunch of forum and seedbank marketing hype, another legend and a crap shoot. If someone gets some good sativa smoke from their faves that had that sativa look, good on them.

I'd look at some of the other choices, maybe landraces like Real Seeds Burmese, Lao Sa, Highland Thai, Champasak, etc. or highly worked Ace crosses like Golden Tiger X Panama or Panama X Malawi, both of which I have. Kicker is the damn hermies regarding Asian genetics.

I have 2 GT X Panama going now in fact. They're outdoors, natural light. Am hoping the photoperiod now and until late Nov. works out.

Best,
Tio

where did you get the monkey balls?

 

[Dime]

Yes there are primary and secondary landraces

 

[Dime]

Landrace have been worked and developed by humans, just within a region rather than hybridised with cannabis from other regions. A lot of people think landrace are just wild cannabis but that isn't what landrace is at all.

Perhaps wildflower would be a more accurate term to describe plants left alone.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

Landrace have been worked and developed by humans, just within a region rather than hybridised with cannabis from other regions. A lot of people think landrace are just wild cannabis but that isn't what landrace is at all.

I totally admit my ignorance with land races. In another thread where I asked what the big deal was with land races, somebody told me that they wanted cannabis that hadn't already been fucked up by other people.

That made sense to me.

I just took it for granted it was wild cannabis, growing without human intervention.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[flower~power]

Dude you should be able to find some of Tom’s old threads. He was one of the first to show how to grow big plants, and is well known in Humboldt and Mendo. His Deep Chunk and his Haze are classic strains still today. An original OG

Agree … I wish some of those old threads could be found. Everybody else was doing 1 pound > one plant threads …he did a 10 pound >>> one plant thread …lol

 

[Knop]

Agree … I wish some of those old threads could be found. Everybody else was doing 1 pound > one plant threads …he did a 10 pound >>> one plant thread …lol

I remember them, they had the recipe for the tom solo, but they blocked the topic, I don't know why

 

[Chi13]

Agree … I wish some of those old threads could be found. Everybody else was doing 1 pound > one plant threads …he did a 10 pound >>> one plant thread …lol

I remember that thread well. I can still picture those enormous plants.

 

[flower~power]

I’m a sucker for nostalgia !

 

[Knop]

1050 liters black gold potting
112 liters chicken manure
112 liters perlite
22kg bone meal
9kg Gypsum

 

[Knop]

I don't remember if they were 10lb?

 

[Zomboy]

I know Gypsy is running some NL / Malawi on a balcony grow that looks pretty good. ACE is another developer that seems to have a good rep around here.

I'm not much for landraces, I want cannabis that has been worked and developed by humans who want to get high or be able to sleep.

Aces Panama is past F10 I believe so some of their stuff are def worked lines

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

where did you get the monkey balls?

From a friend years ago.

 

[Knop]

Aces Panama is past F10 I believe so some of their stuff are def worked lines

F11