Tom Hill Haze

[Hammerhead]

I dont know man my weed whatever I grow is sticky as hell for months...Only thing that was dry were CBG genetics and saw this 1st time in my life. Even CBD hemp plants are extremly stick

Ive grown the same genetics most grow today. Most do not have it. They aren't the same..Most people today have never even seen the weed I'm talking about how would they even know. . I have some that retain that stickiness but most of the hyped cuts floating around do not.

 

[Rastafarout]

@Piff_cat interesting read you have the links for the pictorials? Cheers

 

[Hammerhead]

Why are you Telling Lies

This is false information


I’m not Trolling but I’m Pissed , multiple post of false information

IC is the last home of the Real . The Brst source of Cannabis Related information online .

It is All of our obligation, seniors OG’s to Provide our experiences and state it as our experiences.

But Number one to provide the Best most accurate information possible. How about Quoting our Sources or a references first Hand
Rather than from new breeders/ Seed companies and folk with no knowledge or interest in the Truth

1luvbigherb

. You can be as pissed as you like, don't really care lol... It would help to mature a bit. If you cant engage in an adult convo don't try. It ain't about your feelings. Sam contradicts info just like all of us do at times. You are the only person that thinks it's my info lying about a repost(how old are you)when it clearly isn't. This is not about you. If you don't like what I repost from the web add me to ignore its simple.

That is not my info. I make no claims it is. Your info is not better than what I posted lol. IC is not a source for real info on any haze. that delusional. I'll wait for Sam to verify or not.. You are not Sam. Nothing you posted proves it's not correct..


It's already been posted by another Sam took it to F8 must be a lie?
The link I found said Sam stabilized OH must be a lie? HSO is not a new seed company.

I didn't make those claims, others did. An adult conversation about it would be prudent. You kids just want to argue about anything you can and be an ass about it,.

If Sam saved OH and not stabilized it he still breed/made OH which is what we were discussing. Instead of having a tantrum just post your info about it instead of being an ass would have been way more helpful. I don't tend to read that kind of BS you posted..

 

[bigherb]

Being a Mature Adult is accepting when you are Wrong and correcting your mistakes

I thought about ignoring you , what’s stopping me is the ability to call out your Post of False Haze information

I think it’s my place at this point in time . To Let the Community know when False info is posted Reguarding Original Haze

Atleast While the OG’s who were there are not contributing to the boards

You posted that quote of False info from Humboldt seeds twice yesterday n today Why ? Who TF are they - we Have Sams post all over our boards but you choose to quote someone who tells his Story

If you think I don’t know anything or anyone from the Santa Cruz Haze Circle , Pm Sams

I’ve spoke with Sams about some things never posted Online

 

[Hammerhead]

Being a Mature Adult is accepting when you are Wrong and correcting your mistakes

I thought about ignoring you , what’s stopping me is the ability to call out your Post of False Haze information

I think it’s my place at this point in time . To Let the Community know when False info is posted Reguarding Original Haze

Atleast While the OG’s who were there are not contributing to the boards

You posted that quote of False info from Humboldt seeds twice yesterday n today Why ?

If you think I don’t know anything or anyone from the Santa Cruz Haze Circle , Pm Sams

I’ve spoke with Sams about some things never posted Online

How can I be wrong using a repost to talk about? It's a discussion it aint personal kid. The best advice I can give is use ignore. I'm not gonna stop posting any info I find and want to discuss. Its you that have some issues.

YOU TOTALY DESTROYED THE VIBE OF THE DISCUSSION. TYPICAL.

 

[bigherb]

I’ll just keep calling out your lies

I didn’t research Haze since 08

To have you (senior member) Destroy the Actual History in our Home ICMAG


When you speak of Original Haze Origins Don’t mention RCC

 

[Hammerhead]

I'm not gonna play the tit-for-tat kiddy games.. Ill add you to ignore so it won't continue.

 

[harvestreaper]

were you at tom ........the congregation are callin lol

 

[harvestreaper]

sam has changed his tune also ,,,,i say haze roadside hemp and they all full of it lol that why only 5% percent any good lol bring on the next puzzle lol ,,,

 

[Raco]

OK , just for fun...lazy Sunday evening.No offense intended at all

POLL:
Who are the guys in the pic?

1 bigherb & hempy

2 Hammerhead & bigherb

3 hempy & Hammerhead

There's another guy behind , so ...

#4
The three mentioned ^^
I'll delete this post inmediately if anyone gets offended

 

[Limeygreen]

OK , just for fun...lazy Sunday evening.No offense intended at all

POLL:
Who are the guys in the pic?

1 bigherb & hempy

2 Hammerhead & bigherb

3 hempy & Hammerhead

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#2

 

[Hammerhead]

It's human nature to change our perspectives. Many have lost the ability to converse without it becoming personal. It's def why the world is so fucked up toady.

 

[Hammerhead]

OK , just for fun...lazy Sunday evening.No offense intended at all

POLL:
Who are the guys in the pic?

1 bigherb & hempy

2 Hammerhead & bigherb

3 hempy & Hammerhead

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You forgot bigherb & Raco. No offense lol

 

[Raco]

You forgot bigherb & Raco. No offense lol

Good one lmao
No offense taken at all...just j/k

Monkey Haze f2

 

[Hammerhead]

Good one lmao
No offense taken at all...just j/k

Monkey Haze f2

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Yep, no offense taken. It looks like #1 to me. I'm not in any haze camp.

 

[bigherb]

OK , just for fun...lazy Sunday evening.No offense intended at all

POLL:
Who are the guys in the pic?

1 bigherb & hempy

2 Hammerhead & bigherb

3 hempy & Hammerhead

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There's another guy behind , so ...

#4
The three mentioned ^^
I'll delete this post inmediately if anyone gets offended

I’m in the pic see me in the back the Big Mofo with a third leg

Jokes are just that

Experiences are just that

Facts are very different

 

[harvestreaper]

dedication to all hazers of every persuasion

 

[Chi13]

Mel Franks pictures of Land Race / Heirloom variety's show stable non hermaphrodite lines being grown back in the 70s so how do you even argue that but were there is a way you will find it right.

I dont care what you saw or did i know what i grew and what i saw arguing i am wrong is childish you were not there were you. And No not a friend but friends and some family many people more than one.

Growers dont keep males in there grow unless they plan to make seed or they dont spot them and dont pull the males in time and when you have 50.000 plants spotting all the males in time is not often achievable is it.

Back in the day 50.000 plants was not unheard off even here for a grow and i would not be surprised if they had even larger plant numbered grows.



What three seeds did i germinate lol

The Guy that found seed in the 1978 imported Thai stick found 3 seed not me you clearly making this up as you go mate.

The first Thai seeds i got came from older growers so they were from here early to mid 70s or before i never from memory found any Thai seed in a Thai stick.

I did my own breeding and seed runs to reproduce what i was given so i had seed as i am sure you and others did.

I even had a close friend collect the best Thai he could find in 85/86 and he got his close friend (and dealer he scored from ) in Thailand on his monthly work trips to Thailand to hunt them down for us. I was given then in 86.

That was called Golden Buddha Thai the Thai guy called it that i then grew that one out and breed a shit load of seed and shared it with the guy that collected it for me his circle and my circle. No hermaphrodites in that line also.

We had no seed banks back then we made seed if we wanted to keep set lines around.

I grew quiet a few Thai lines,

Hempy, we've had disagreements in the past but it's honestly not my intention to start an argument.

I was a horticulturist and grew up in a family business. We grew 15,000 plants (not cannabis) and for sake of security lets call them tomatoes (they were the same size plants as cannabis). We ran that business with a family of three. All of us walked past those plants every day, twice a day, harvesting, maintaining, looking for pests. If they were cannabis plants we would have easily weeded out hermaphrodites. I'm sure Thai farmers could do the same with 50,000 or more plants.

We're about the same age, from the same country. My experience is that I had several hermies over the years, all sativa's. My recent growing of Thai encountered some hermies, some males, and some females. Thai is renowned for being hermaphrodite prone. A simple seach shows that. Do you want links? Even the original seed you got originated from Thai's that had a 1/3 ratio of hermie to true sex.

 

[Raco]

check out this nigerian plant from the 96 hillig study. the hawaiians in this study were the real sleepers lots of grinspoon types. many peeps report finding grinspoon types consistently in oaxacans especially older ones like mystic funk. this particular nigerian was part of an outlier group in the hillig study containing only colombians, south africa(transkei,zimbabwe, etc) these weird type plants also showed up in the 87 mazar nev donated to this study.

i agree that this type has a "survival" relationship with gender wherin a male plant will seed itself towards the end of its life.

and i think it could even happen in the beginning too-
i started 20 outback haze outcrosses(north vietnam) but flipped them in 2 groups 10 days apart.

the first 10 sexed as 9 males and 1 female
while the second group 8 females 2 males
. a small sample size for sure but it made me think the plants sexing in second round sensed the males presence and sexed as females.
adding to the intrigue i kept one of the 2 males from the second round because it was so beautiful nld... this plant ends up seeding itself with the same wild type seeds u see in this pic .
thats a big hint there- outback vietnam seeds were normal type no carnuckle did not seed shatter normal size. but when the monoceious outbackvietnam male seeded itself in f1 gen, it created wild type seeds very small, finished in open air then shattered and formed in the grinspoon type fashion.

to me it looks like there are more primal jungle types still under immense instinct from the wild which conditions have not changed much ever. they have tons of upside but this monoceious tendencies make sensimilla difficult and hybrids sex stability unpredictable. also alot of diversity is lost when these monceious male types are culled. so much diversity has been thrown away in pursuit of stable genetics. in my opinion females who show bananas should be culled. but males with female features should be bred with. the male input has the possibility of adding diversity, and if u want resin males etc the ones with the female features would have the most! worry about female stability only when it comes to selection of the production clones. i have a couple piff s2 x tom hill/old timers males going right now that smell like heaven better then most female bud ive grown!
we are finding huge chunks of diversity only carried forward in the male genomes and that semi feral lilnes have significantly larger genomes then domesticated types.
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Very interesting...
Almost 20 years ago I got seeds that traveled from Australia to CR and from there, a few were sent to me, Spain.
I grew one indoors that hermied big time so I got rid of It and its clones but one that I grew under natural light .. didn't see more balls ..found like 20 small dark seeds in it

I've seen a lot of hermie flowers but never one like this one containing 3 stigmas and one nana in the same bract

The plant was lebanese from Bekaa seeds gifted to me by @GrassMan many years ago.

DC throwing balls? Indoors , yes ...outdoors, never.
THH & hybrids I made and grew out? I have yet to see one!!

 

[Hammerhead]

The people at Humbolt Seeds believe Sam stabilized OH enough to post that info on their website. If it's that much of an issue contact them. I have no clue where they gleaned that info from?. I'm sure many have also found that info just as I did. Im, not a fact-checker lol. Im just looking for a good discussion with like minded people about topics of interest.,. I'm an old man with leukemia that can't take a decent crap and pisses 10x a night. Facts are only as good as what people believe. I'll leave the fact checking for you chads. The world is full of fake BS that people believe is true it doesn't matter what the topic is.