Tom Hill Haze

[acespicoli]

ive culled many hermis that i liked to smoke ,, just dont want them messing up any breeding im doing,, it can wipe out a lot of time an effort ,,,its frustrating if its the best of the bunch but to me its like nearly getting what i was after but not quite ,a compromise ,like a breeder of white dogs who turns a blind eye to deafness because he hit his color goal my logic is go back try again til you get the quality without the hermi , seen bagseed hermis produce non hermi offspring to which is ok for a clone but different for breeding on as you know its lurking and youll be throwing it back in the mix ,,on another side ive seen plants hermi indoors that dont outside ,,are we to use artificial lab conditions to make these assessments ? not sure it carry's much weight scientifically imo outdoors would show more as that the environment they were created/selected from ,, a tent/room is the whole world if thats the environment your using and they have to perform correctly in that world ,,but to go on an make assessments on hermis on such conditions could be misleading ,,if i grow in a tent with a houselight bulb the plants have to perform there for me simple as that march or die so to speak i dont care about there issues or reasons for issues but that got nothing to do with there quality/sexual stability only my enviromental needs which appears to be most growers position

Makes me wonder why SamS and N. kept haze clones ?
Once you get that fizz keep it for 20+ years right ?
Nothing like flat soda...You will only hit a few elite cuts in a lifetime thats why they are so valuable

 

[Chi13]

Mel Frank documented grows from the 70s on and the fact they are not Homophardites proves they were stable do they not.

Look at it logically Chi if the old sativas were as prone to hermaphrodite traits as some here believe then why is something like Haze not prone to hermaphrodite expressiveness considering its a pure sativa hybrid ?

Gee you're making me work. I have Mel and Eds Marijuana Growers Guide from 1978. On page 250 it says and I quote "Plants from Thai seeds sometimes form male and female flowers on separate branches having mostly male flowers are located throughout the plant". If you insist I will post a pic of the book page. The point being that Mel Frank was well aware of hermaphrodites in Thai in 1978.
Again Mel would not be posting pics of hermaphrodites on his site. Why would he? He would pic the most photogenic which he has done.

I am looking at it logically. Thai sticks here were mostly seedless. Do you think Thai's started with female seeds? No, they culled the male plants and no doubt hermaphrodites.

 

[harvestreaper]

Makes me wonder why SamS and N. kept haze clones ?

percy or money lol

 

[harvestreaper]

Gee you're making me work. I have Mel and Eds Marijuana Growers Guide from 1978. On page 250 it says and I quote "Plants from Thai seeds sometimes form male and female flowers on separate branches having mostly male flowers are located throughout the plant". If you insist I will post a pic of the book page.
Again Mel would not be posting pics of hermaphrodites on his site. Why would he? He would pic the most photogenic which he has done.

I am looking at it logically. Thai sticks here were mostly seedless. Do you think Thai's started with female seeds? No, they culled the male plants and no doubt hermaphrodites.

you give me aflashback we had one of those ed rosenthal books growers guide or something was epic at the time ... a new world lol

 

[acespicoli]

Gee you're making me work. I have Mel and Eds Marijuana Growers Guide from 1978. On page 250 it says and I quote "Plants from Thai seeds sometimes form male and female flowers on separate branches having mostly male flowers are located throughout the plant". If you insist I will post a pic of the book page.
Again Mel would not be posting pics of hermaphrodites on his site. Why would he? He would pic the most photogenic which he has done.

I am looking at it logically. Thai sticks here were mostly seedless. Do you think Thai's started with female seeds? No, they culled the male plants and no doubt hermaphrodites.

Maybe a concensus we can agree on is that hermi traits are possible in cannabis ?
The growers bible insiders book it was well needed when no one was a botanist,
First real science in any bag seed growers life, simply was not any source of info like today

 

[Donald Mallard]

Mel Frank documented grows from the 70s on and the fact they are not Homophardites proves they were stable do they not.

Look at it logically Chi if the old sativas were as prone to hermaphrodite traits as some here believe then why is something like Haze not prone to hermaphrodite expressiveness considering its a pure sativa hybrid ?

those pictures mel frank posted doesnt prove anything about hermies from back then ,
thats no proof of anything of the sort , other than they had weed and some of the ones he seletively took pictures of were pretty ,
sam touched on the subject of hermies in haze , he said it mostly didnt have them , not didnt have them at all ,
then with further breeding it gets weeded out ,
massive amounts of plants in a crop will show every trait , including hermies ..

as far as my grows go that you commented on ,
it was a lot more than i posted because i dont tend to need approval of others by showing how much i have grown ,
but rest assured there has been thousands of plants in those patches at any one time ,
and we easily took care of males and hermies in just an hour or two looking through them ,
so a dozen people would easily do 50 000 in a day , without any issues ...

false pictures , yea we were talking about thai , u posted pictures that were not from thailand except the first one ,
you know its better when u stay over at the other site , you are a difficult person to have on a site like this where we like to be correct on things and dont like to argue with each other ...

 

[acespicoli]

@Raco Destroyer (intersex) over the SD clone how many of those have been grown out ?
Id like to hear the effects of the high from that smoke report

 

[ICGA]

After watching that video breeding out CBD could be a factor as well. Most weed today has very little CBD.

Plants with like 4% cbd and like 20% thc are interesting. I had a plant that I suspect was in this range and it had the strangest high. Basically when you smoked it it felt as though some cbd was getting threw the blood brain barrier. The effect was like a small wave of nausea but not actual nausea, like shivered threw your core as you felt the thc go through the blood brain barrier. Then you felt a quintessentially kush high. It's hard to describe. It could have been a rare canabinoid like the ones they are allegedly discovering. But given the unique terpine profile, I suspect that it had moderate cbd in addition to high thc and somehow the terpeines were priming the blood brain barrier and allowing something to get through that normally was not able to permeate the blood brain barrier. It had the smell of white grape swisher cigar flavoring only slightly more natural.

 

[Hammerhead]

I think they were like 1:1 verities back then so 12-15% THC , 12-15% CBD.. I don't remember CBD ever being a topic. It was def much higher back then.

 

[acespicoli]

Authors E.M. Mudge, S.J. Murch, and P.N. Brown set out to test the hypothesis that the distinct effects of cannabis strains are not tied to just their THC or CBD content alone — nor the ratio of the two — but that the spectrum of possible effects is much wider than believed. Their findings confirmed this hypothesis and also indicated that breeding cannabis over the years specifically for THC has harmed the plant’s diversity in a condition known as “Domestication Syndrome.”

Study Reveals 21 New Cannabinoids - Ganjapreneur

Researchers at the University of British Columbia have published a study revealing that there may be more types of cannabinoids than expected in many strains

www.ganjapreneur.com

@Hammerhead
Their findings confirmed this hypothesis and also indicated that breeding cannabis over the years specifically for THC has harmed the plant’s diversity in a condition known as “Domestication Syndrome.”

Nice point

Domestication syndrome - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[@hempy]

Marijuana Botany Chapter 3 - Genetics and Breeding of Cannabis

n) Southeast Asia - Cambodia, Laos, Thailand and Vietnam (10 to 20 north latitude)
Since American troops first returned from the war in Vietnam, the Cambodian, Laotian, Thai, and
Vietnamese strains have been regarded as some of the very finest in the world. Currently most Southeast
Asian Cannabis is produced in northern and eastern Thailand. Until recent times, Cannabis farming has
been a cottage industry of the northern mountain areas and each family grew a small garden. The pride of a farmer in his crop was reflected in the high quality and seedless nature of each carefully wrapped Thai stick.



Due largely to the craving of Americans for exotic marijuana, Cannabis cultivation has become a
big business in Thailand and many farmers are growing large fields of lower quality Cannabis in the
eastern lowlands. It is suspected that other Cannabis strains, brought to Thailand to replenish local strains and begin large plantations, may have hybridized with original Thai strains and altered the resultant genetics. Also, wild stands of Cannabis may now be cut and dried for export.

Strains from Thailand are characterized by tall meandering growth of the main stalk and limbs and fairly
extensive branching. The leaves are often very large with 9 to 11 long, slender, coarsely serrated leaflets
arranged in a drooping hand like array. The Thai refer to them as "alligator tails" and the name is certainly appropriate.



This is what Rob Clark said in MJ Botany.

And i Quote

Until recent times, Cannabis farming has been a cottage industry of the northern mountain areas and each family grew a small garden. The pride of a farmer in his crop was reflected in the high quality and seedless nature of each carefully wrapped Thai stick

many farmers are growing large fields of lower quality Cannabis in the
eastern lowlands. It is suspected that other Cannabis strains, brought to Thailand to replenish local strains and begin large plantations, may have hybridized with original Thai strains and altered the resultant genetics.

 

[Chi13]

Yes, and those seedless gardens in Thailand were achieved by culling the males and hermaphrodites.

As I posted earlier Mel Franks book (who you cite earlier as proof hermies don't exist in Thailand) actually wrote about some Thai's being prone to hermaphrodites.

 

[therealpacific]

Toms ban is over? Anyone know if he's coming back or plans to?

 

[sneezydog]

He gon make us wait like sinners and den come down wit da sleigh full of stocking stuffers fo all.

 

[acespicoli]

Consequently, vegetative production of female
clones and the production of seedless flowers preclude the possibility of seed produc-
tion and variety improvement.



Excerpt from book Marijuana Cannabinoids
Chapter One by RC DW
Best

 

[Leocadius]

Se ve de alta calidad; a menudo, un tono rojo en su aceite proviene de las grasas y los lípidos dentro de la planta de cannabis (no deseable en las extracciones), o puede ser genético; el anterior se ve bastante limpio y bien hecho, así que apostaría por los genes.

Paz

Decoloración de compuestos orgánicos.

Con frecuencia, la solución está coloreada por impurezas orgánicas de alto peso molecular que acompañan al producto natural deseado o que se han formado como productos de descomposición o subproductos en el proceso de síntesis. En estos casos, el color puede eliminarse hirviendo la solución durante cinco a diez minutos con una pequeña cantidad de adsorbente de carbón activado.





Y si el compuesto, además de la decoloración, también está contaminado con hongos. En este caso por botrytis, la solución es atrapar las esporas con un filtro con un poro más pequeño que el tamaño de las esporas, sabiendo que las esporas son mayores de 1 µm.

Aceite de luces tailandesas, aquí el compuesto tuvo que quedar con la decoloración, se entiende por qué

 

[acespicoli]

Decoloración de compuestos orgánicos.

Con frecuencia, la solución está coloreada por impurezas orgánicas de alto peso molecular que acompañan al producto natural deseado o que se han formado como productos de descomposición o subproductos en el proceso de síntesis. En estos casos, el color puede eliminarse hirviendo la solución durante cinco a diez minutos con una pequeña cantidad de adsorbente de carbón activado.





Y si el compuesto, además de la decoloración, también está contaminado con hongos. En este caso por botrytis, la solución es atrapar las esporas con un filtro con un poro más pequeño que el tamaño de las esporas, sabiendo que las esporas son mayores de 1 µm.

Aceite de luces tailandesas, aquí el compuesto tuvo que quedar con la decoloración, se entiende por qué

led05 said:
It looks high quality; often a red hue in your oil comes from fats and lipids within the cannabis plant (not desirable in extractions), or it may be genetic; the old one looks pretty neat and well done so I'd bet on the genes.

Peace

Discoloration of organic compounds.

Frequently, the solution is colored by high molecular weight organic impurities that accompany the desired natural product or that have been formed as breakdown products or by-products in the synthesis process. In these cases, the color can be removed by boiling the solution for five to ten minutes with a small amount of activated carbon adsorbent

 

[Leocadius]

Mh f2 jardi cut

 

[thugpoet]

Mh f2 jardi cut

I assume MH means Mango Haze? (third picture unmistakenly reminds me of the bud structure of a Mango Haze cut I grew from a buddy 10 years ago)
If so, that's one helluva gene recombination effect happening in these F2s. Almost looks like purple OTH or THH.
Can you comment on the terps/ type of effect?

Cannamicably,

Thug

 

[Vegg69guerilla]

I think some of the best photographic historical pictures of the types of cannabis many of us older growers saw grew and smoked comes from Mel Frank.

I have yet to see him post any hermaphrodite so i am a bit confused why a few of you think all old land race / heirloom variety's were hermaphrodites or prone to.

Chiba Colombian 1980.

Purple Mexican 1980

Cambodian 1979

Cambodian 1978
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Imported Thai sticks (for those who've never seen them), San Francisco, 1978.
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highly colourful and wonderful history attached to this post..bless you young man!