The Search for Trip Weed

[Donald Mallard]

Hey satva ,
man that looks like some good pot ,
and particularly good descriptions ,
has me wanting to try that highland guerrero ..

Ive noticed over the years that even the nld grow indoors seems to lean toward wld traits in the high for some reason , its heavier , stonier , more sleepy , wears you out rather than giving u energy , i dont know any research that suggests why, (though id stab in the dark and say lighting and ferts) but ive certainly noted it a few times , perhaps its not true of every plant ..

I wonder if some of your more narcotic and dreamy plants would be the same grown outdoors , be interesting to see ...

 

[unregistered190]

Satva, you have some kicka$$ attention to detail when it comes to
Appreciate the time you take to share your experiences.......I am becoming more and more interested in Sativas

 

[Thcvhunter]

Hey satva ,
man that looks like some good pot ,
and particularly good descriptions ,
has me wanting to try that highland guerrero ..

Ive noticed over the years that even the nld grow indoors seems to lean toward wld traits in the high for some reason , its heavier , stonier , more sleepy , wears you out rather than giving u energy , i dont know any research that suggests why, (though id stab in the dark and say lighting and ferts) but ive certainly noted it a few times , perhaps its not true of every plant ..

I wonder if some of your more narcotic and dreamy plants would be the same grown outdoors , be interesting to see ...

I could believe that HPS only causes a more body high.
I did a few runs under Mercury Vapor, MH, and HPS and that was the best happiest least body high Ive ever grown

 

[Riddleme]

I use T5's to flower and I run a 10/14 light cycle and even Indicas come outta my garden with energetic highs, nothing I have grown in years gives couchlock.

 

[SpaceJunkOG]

. . . . . Cured + 9 months.

question: are you jar-curing this for 9 months? And if so, are you dipping into the jar(s) throughout the curing process to grab nugs here and there for yourself? I cannot imagine waiting almost a year for a cure, although i know it would be beneficial for a few of these strains.

i guess i haven't been growing connoisseur strains for very long so i don't have "backstock" of it to smoke while the new stuff cures for so long, maybe that's the difference. by the time i hit the 3 month mark on a cure i've usually smoked 75% of the jar by grabbing buds every time i burp it.

curious how you have developed the patience to wait 9 months!

and nice pics / beautiful description of the experience.

 

[satva]

"Dreamy and narcotic"

"Dreamy and narcotic"

"Dreamy and narcotic" is a phase that's often used to describe imported late -1970's commercial Colombian, that I assume was 100% tropical sativa. This is stoned verse high philosophy.

The high was strong, stoney, dense, complex and mind altering. Mango Haze phenos with some indica have a high similar to late 1970's commercial Colombian. Maybe late 1970's commercial Colombian had some indica, or maybe Mango Haze has Colombian dominate genetics. MostlyMe notes his Panama as " the best indica around".

From my experience the high from a mostly sativa Thailand dominate plant or Highland Mexican plant has a clearer, cleaner high with less stone and less heavy comedown after the initial rush fades. Thailand dominate Destroyer has very little stone when compared to the infamous mango pheno from Mango Haze which has more stone.

I've grown and smoke Mango Haze for years, its good. IMO, Destroyer and Highland Mexican have a clearer cerebral high with less stone, and less heaviness in the comedown. Vaporization, dry-sift, and edibles also, a cleaner high and softer comedown.

Jack Herer and Destroyer x Pakistani have the most indica. Destroyer x Pakistani is clear, energetic, and uplifting. I'm flowering a Punto Rojo and Colombian Gold and hopefully, I'll get some insight into "dreamy and narcotic", but as someone noted euphoric is very close to "dreamy and narcotic".

I smoked a little Punto Rojo leaf / flower ~ 9 weeks about halfway to harvest and FWIW, the effect was ah, I feel good, very pleasureable and very euphoric. another ~ 9 weeks to harvest, a 4 month cure and we'll be smoking.

question: are you jar-curing this for 9 months?

Yes, into glass ASAP.

And if so, are you dipping into the jar(s) throughout the curing process to grab nugs here and there for yourself?

I start dipping after 3 months. DS x HMBB (dominate) is still not cured properly after 3 months, very harsh smoke, difficult to burn, doesn't taste right. (100% organic)

I cannot imagine waiting almost a year for a cure,
I try and balance how much I grow with how much I smoke. Growing for personal use is legal in Colorado. Twelve months in canning jars, even cool temperatures is not ideal if your smoking flower-tops. If your making dry-sift, the drier the flowers are before sifting the better ~ 200 microns ~ Destroyer sift.

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Donald, I'm growing small plants and this time of year my plants receive 12 hours of Colorado sun, and live in the closet at night and when I'm not home. I also have a large cold frame / small greenhouse that I utilize in the spring and fall. I'll finish the harvest indoors. In the wintertime, I get good sunlight penetration thru the windows. Colorado is a sunny place.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

My little grow cabinet is loaded with NLD bud. Despite that most of the bud is airy, it is quite full. Jamaican Ganja is on the left, Colombian Punto Rojo on the right, and Panama x Green Haze is in the back:

I had a really hard time with the stretch on all of these plants. I cut them all back twice during the first few weeks while they were really stretching. All my other grows I was able to accomplish fitting them in by bending alone. The Jamaican has buds that are also long, thin, and stretchy by their nature:

There is a lot of those buds, so it makes for a pretty solid mass of buds. I think you can also see that they have a long stretched out ripening. Some parts have nicely shiny resinous areas, while most are still laying on new green bud area with no resin visible. Some of the older calyxes are turning brown. The SAGE plant that I have does this also.

Punto Rojo next...

 

[ThaiBliss]

The Punto Rojo plant is too close to the bulbs. The buds started developing as puffy round balls, but now have a super stretched out steeple on most of them. I just cannot bend them lower without snapping branches at this point, so I'm going to let them alone and ignore the bad looks.

Here are the buds. You can see the environmentally caused stretching at the top of the photograph:

They look mighty nice if I focus on the rounded bottoms of the buds:

I can't help but imagine them ripe, cured and in my bowl. The resin looks very different on the Punto Rojo compared to the Jamaican. The Jamaican resin is very shiny and clear. The Punto Rojo buds have more of a frosty look to them:

This flowering cycle is 10 weeks into it now. With continued luck, they are almost halfway done. This is a long haul. My outdoor garden will be ripe, dry, and put away before these are ripe. Outside, they are just starting to show small buds now.


ThaiBliss

 

[Thcvhunter]

Those pics were the best way for me to wakeup.
Great job.

 

[waveguide]

unexpectedly trippy visuals from a very middle of the road hybrid - c99 x l.a. confidential..

plant had a bit of heat stress in late flower (cut at 9) as well as accidentally raised soil pH and a foliar with a bit of magnesium... i fluffed it and growth kinda shut down in the last week or so, the buds were a bit hard and indestructible..

fwiw to mention.

 

[ThaiBliss]

unexpectedly trippy visuals from a very middle of the road hybrid - c99 x l.a. confidential..

plant had a bit of heat stress in late flower (cut at 9) as well as accidentally raised soil pH and a foliar with a bit of magnesium... i fluffed it and growth kinda shut down in the last week or so, the buds were a bit hard and indestructible..

fwiw to mention.

Interesting observation. Was it magnesium sulfate? Did the pH move out of the nitrogen absorption zone?

 

[satva]

Smoke Report

Smoke Report



Revised repost from smoke report forum. Maybe we should have a "Search for Trip Weed" thread in the smoke report section with everybody's smoke reports and comments about "The High". For me, threads in IcMag's smoke report forum on an individual strain are easily lost in the smoke report forum and don't get much critical review and comment. Any suggestions?

"Red Hair - 11-finger" smoke / vaporization.
14 weeks flowering. Aroma in the jar after three month cure - citrus / cedar.

The high is pleasurable, you feel " as you should be" - not as trippy as some, but definitely a keeper and part of the search.

"Red Hair" is my favorite smoke this summer, the high is cleaner than Highland Mexican and less stoney, less psychedelic, less dense, and less trippy. Similar warm and pleasurable high as Highland Mexican. Spent a week comparing "Red Hair" to everything else and this is a good one!

Vaporizing starting at low temperature and incresing the temperature in three stages- low- medium - hot.

Low / early vapors are Papaya / Lemon. The high is balanced, profound, spacious, euphoric, and calm energy. Spiritual high! Energy is balanced with increased awareness in a sphere from your heart to the top of our head. Tropical fruit early vapors are, for me the most trippy.

Medium vapors are Lavender. The high expands out into the horizon with your vision. Your consciousness easily goes out into things, staring at objects, and a fascination with your senses. Lavender vapors have a trippy vibrational energy above the eyes and below the top of the head.

Hot vapors are cedar and not dense, burnt or smokey. The high has calm, feel-good energy that's balanced between pleasurable, grounded and expansive sensory awareness. Soft energy flow quiets thoughts - which is liberating and nice energy flow that's not draining, easy to stay high for 12 hours smoking / vaporizing a few calyxes every few hours. No heaviness, comedown, or burnout after blazing all day.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I love this post. It has a detailed smoke report, and a fine assortment of pictures. I assume they are all the Red Hair individual. This post is the gold standard. The smoke report does not have to have a specific structure, as long as there was some time spent in the provision of detail.

The only thing I would suggest is give it the title "Smoke Report". Then people might be able to "Search this Thread", and get all smoke reports to list.

Part of the reason I like this post so much, is that this sounds just like the plant I am looking for. I want trippiness, but the "up" kind. Your description seems to capture that. Besides, that plant and bud are extremely beautiful. I think I'll spend the next 10 minutes just staring at your pictures. LOL.


B.T.W., I hope you are the type that keeps a cutting alive of your favorite, better yet two or more and in separate locations. I'd also make seeds from that. It breaks my heart when these are lost.

Again, great job.


ThaiBliss

 

[waveguide]

Interesting observation. Was it magnesium sulfate? Did the pH move out of the nitrogen absorption zone?

yes and dunno... i just cut the trim so in a fortnight i'll have some contrast to see how much the imbalance affected the high (albeit torturing plants attempting to change the effect isn't really a discipline i want to explore..)

 

[ThaiBliss]

...torturing plants attempting to change the effect...)

This seems exceptionally hyperbolic. Are we "torturing" our children if we don't give them everything they want as soon as they want it? I would argue that spoiling our children is exactly the wrong thing to do. This encourages bad character.

Back to agriculture, the same can be said for growing grapes for wine. Pampering the grapes also makes for poor wine. Any grower worth their salt knows this.

ThaiBliss

 

[satva]

I assume they are all the Red Hair individual.

Four of the pictures are the "Red Hair" female from Destroyer -A x a cool Highland Mexican dude. One of the pictures is a male named "Sweet Red Legs" same growth structure, same red stems , same 11- finger leaves, similar aromas, but no- not exactly the same ,lol> (you knew that) <vbg>.

"Red Hair" x "Sweet Red Legs" is Destroyer -A x HMBB - f2 (DS x HMBB) f2.
I know this is "Red" genetic bottlenecking, but that's what it is

Individual branches of the "Red Hair" female were pollinated with pollen from "Sweet Red Legs". to make Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry- f2. "Red Hair" should be accessible thru 3 different sets of seeds Destroyer (DS), Destroyer - A x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry, (DS-A x HMBB) and Destroyer -A x Highland Mexican/BB - f2 ( DS - A x HMBB) - f2

ah la - "Red Hair" x "Sweet Red Legs" f2 (DS - A x HMBB - f2)

PS> FWIW, there is Destroyer - A, B, C in my world plus Destroyer fudge.

I have done extensive smoke testing between "Red Hair" and her Destroyer" mother, and "Red Hair" always wins. I haven't grown many different phenotypes of Chimera's Highland Mexican, but my thought is that "Red Hair" is an expression of the 1960's Mexican genetics used in Destroyer with some Highland Thai genetics shining thru in the high. Thai + Mexican high was the original breeding goal.

I made several clones, male and female, and re-vegged the male, and kept male pollen. Once the Punto Rojo grow was underway, I culled these DS x HMBB -f2 clones. It wasn't easy! This allowed a fresh start creating grow space to keep several Punto Rojo clones.

Of what I've tried, "Red Hair" is similar to the first taste of Punto Rojo in mid-flower ;-) I start singing James Brown, ~~~ " I feel good -----da, da, da, da, da da" (sung quickly)~~~ very blissful, very pleasurable, kind'a pure.

It was not easy, killing these clones. I have pollen from "Sweet Red Legs" and pollinated Punto Rojo and Colombian Gold females with "Sweet Red Legs" (shown) pollen , also two other males. The HMBB (Guerrero dominate ?) the father of "Sweet Red Legs" who looked X (extreme)-NLD XNLD and a Colombian Gold (dominate) x C99 male. We'll see what we see. Which is also the 64 thousand dollar question. Will plants from seeds of "Red Hair" - f2 that look like "Red Hair" produce the same high as "Red Hair"?

Charlie Garcia told me, I should be able to identify the traits of the parents in a cross. Great advice, but much easier said than done in a IBL x IBL cross than in a "3 way sativa hybrid x 3 way sativa hybrid. Destroyer x Highland Mexican is basically Thai/Mex/Colombian x Thai/Mex/Agfanghi. While its unlikely, I can isolate a "Juicy Fruit Thai" phenotype from the Thai in Blueberry. I have a Punto Rojo female that smells like juicy fruit - Mango/pineapple or Mango/papaya.

Here's the deal. Since, I felt stupid killing several Destroyer x Highland Mexican - f2 clones, I decided to try and recreate the high from "Red Hair" in a blend of dry sift ~ 200 microns. I made a dry sift blend from the Thai dominate Destroyer, Highland Guerrero x BB, Destroyer - (A) mother x Pakistani and "Red Hair's" Destroyer mother a balanced Thai/Mex/Colombian phenotype. Viola - and you know what - this dry sift blend is pretty good. I've compared the high from this dry sift blend to smoking "Red Hair" flowers, but not " "Red Hair" dry sift to the blended dry-sift - but: I will.

When you smoke Destroyer dry-sift you go from straight to very, very high, very very fast, I'm not sure what's going on vaporizing Destroyer dry-sift, but similar deal - very high, but not so fast, and without the smoke.

I vaporize a few other blends, categorized by color, which I use to code the high of the parents in breeding. Yellow is Thai dominate, "Red Hair" is green, Highland Mexican is pink, orange is a spiritual high (for me) a blend of Destroyer x Pakistani, Mango haze, and Destroyer, white is a very pure high, a very long flowering Mango Haze with a Thai high and extremely clean effect. Punto Rojo is red, but I'm hoping it becomes a pure high - the color white. If I was planting seeds tonight, it would be "Punto Rojo" x " Sweet Red Legs" " Red x Green or hopefully white x green. White is a pure high with almost no stone, both white and green have an "as it should be effect. White is not a strong high, its more about contentment or centering your awareness, if that makes any sense?

"We'll see what we see" , if this is not true, and Punto Rojo extreme narrow leaf phenotypes that flower for 20 weeks - produces a stoney, dreamy, narcotic high, then all bets are off. " What we see, is not what we get"

I cull WLD phenos, so I'll never find that WLD pheno with 7 weeks of flowering that produces a "god-like" pure high. I'm not currently, but if I was looking for a "god-like"pure high from a WLD with 7 weeks of flowering (or NLD long flowering), I'd look thru various Highland Nepalese, Highland Burmese, and Highland Thai (Thailand/Laos/Vietnam/Burma borders) genetics. 1971 Burmese charas were "god-like" -. I just didn't get enough of those charas to achieve enlightenment before I got old. <lol>

I'll soon have purple cloud's "Blue Lotus Flower" which is~~~
Blue Nepalese (hint of blueberry?) / Black Colombian / Rain (a very Tropical long flowering Thai haze) female x Burmese male. purple clouds notes the high as spiritual. From what little I remember from the 1970's, these genetics are from the right neighborhoods to create a spiritual high. <lol>

Also Sam the Skunkman's seeds - " Original Haze x Skunk#1 x (Love Potion #1 (G13 / Colombian Gold) x Original Haze x Skunk #1. Seedbay wrote Sam's seeds as a 3-way cross, (a menge a trois ?) Could be Original Haze x Skunk #1 mother and two fathers - Love Potion #1 and Original Haze / Skunk #1, or Original Haze/ Skunk #1 x Love Potion #1 as the mother.

Sam, if you're reading this - inquiring minds, want to know more about this cross. Original Haze could be Punto Rojo dominate, Thai dominate, or any equatorial sativa dominate, same with Skunk #1 (Thai/Mex/Colo/India) G13 who knows? I can tell you this - CBG's Punto Rojo has very different genetics from USC's Colombian Gold, just based on appearances. More later~~~~

That said, IMO, FWIW, - Punto Rojo and Colombian Gold are good data points in the the search for trip weed.

Cheers!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I always list females in a cross first. So if I say O Haze X Skunk #1 the mother was O Haze. In the case of Skunk #1 it was both Afghani X Colombian and Columbian X Afghani and they were crossed with Acapulco gold again both ways, then they were selfed on a population level for ten years. At this point I have no idea what is dominate or what, but I like it. I don't remember what I gave to Gypsy Bail Fund but I listed them with females first. I very seldom use two different males in a single cross unless they are basically the same like with several Skunk #1 males I have. I found what I gave:

Original Haze/Love Potion X Original Haze/Skunk#1
and
Original Haze/Skunk#1 x Love Potion X Original Haze/Skunk#1

-SamS

 

[satva]

Thanks Sam! That's about what I envisioned.

I'm excited about the Acapulco Gold genetics! I smoked a lot of 1971 - 1973 Acapulco Gold that came thru Miami/Atlanta.

I liked it!

 

[satva]

The only thing I would suggest is give it the title "Smoke Report".

Done, (via edit).

Works for me! Everyone title "Smoke Reports" ~ "Smoke Report" enabling searches in "Search for Trip Weed" for "Smoke Report"

PS> ThaiBliss, I'll provide a more comprehensive "Smoke Report" for "Red Hair" when I'm confident, she is properly cured. "Red Hair" is close, but "Red Hair's" sister " Perfume Skunk" (the orange one you liked) - is not yet properly cured.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Of what I've tried, "Red Hair" is similar to the first taste of Punto Rojo in mid-flower ;-) I start singing James Brown, ~~~ " I feel good -----da, da, da, da, da da" (sung quickly)~~~ very blissful, very pleasurable, kind'a pure.

LOL. Sounds so good.

It was not easy, killing these clones. I have pollen from "Sweet Red Legs" and pollinated Punto Rojo and Colombian Gold females with "Sweet Red Legs" (shown) pollen , also two other males. The HMBB (Guerrero dominate ?) the father of "Sweet Red Legs" who looked X (extreme)-NLD XNLD and a Colombian Gold (dominate) x C99 male. We'll see what we see. Which is also the 64 thousand dollar question. Will plants from seeds of "Red Hair" - f2 that look like "Red Hair" produce the same high as "Red Hair"?

Good luck. If they do, then you are sitting pretty. Given a choice between a cutting with the effect I want, and having seeds that breed true to the effect, I'd choose the seeds, obviously.

Charlie Garcia told me, I should be able to identify the traits of the parents in a cross. Great advice, but much easier said than done in a IBL x IBL cross than in a "3 way sativa hybrid x 3 way sativa hybrid. Destroyer x Highland Mexican is basically Thai/Mex/Colombian x Thai/Mex/Agfanghi. While its unlikely, I can isolate a "Juicy Fruit Thai" phenotype from the Thai in Blueberry. I have a Punto Rojo female that smells like juicy fruit - Mango/pineapple or Mango/papaya.

I am detecting the ripe fruit basket aromas from Punto Rojo, but there is something else that I can't put my finger on just yet. The Punto Rojo is in contrast to the sour fruit, medicine, and pepper from the Jamaican. The Panama Haze is giving me the woody/balsam/cedar aromas. I can't tell if the Punto Rojo also has some woody type aroma, or if it is all coming from the Panama Haze.

I cull WLD phenos, so I'll never find that WLD pheno with 7 weeks of flowering that produces a "god-like" pure high. I'm not currently, but if I was looking for a "god-like"pure high from a WLD with 7 weeks of flowering (or NLD long flowering), I'd look thru various Highland Nepalese, Highland Burmese, and Highland Thai (Thailand/Laos/Vietnam/Burma borders) genetics. 1971 Burmese charas were "god-like" -. I just didn't get enough of those charas to achieve enlightenment before I got old. <lol>

Don't be too sure about a hard and true WLD and NLD flowering times. I had cutting that was NLD and finished ripening by the second to third week in September in Oregon. It was in the top ten of all time best that I ever grew for potency and cerebral high. It was top three of my biggest regret of lost genetics.

I also have this NLD which looks on track to be done by mid October. Coincidentally this has Nepalese genetics in it, as well as Congolese:

I'll get a close-up of the buds in a week or so. I can't reach the top of the plant now, but buds are now starting to form on the lower branches.


To reiterate the main goal of my trip weed search, I'm looking to revive the effects of a Haze cutting I once had. I have the genetics captured somewhat in seed form. I outcrossed the Haze to a couple of other lines I had that were pretty good, but had real bud formations, as opposed to the Grinspoon trait of the Haze, and were both quicker to ripen.

Haze (The One) x Hawaiian Haze = A

Haze x A = B

B x Burmese = C

Haze x C

I looked through lots of these seeds, and did not find the effect from the Haze. I have very little seed left. So, I'm trying to find something that is remotely similar or even different but of exceptional quality to breed with the few seeds I have left. The expressions of the end result of the crossings above are wide leaf like the Burmese, but exceptionally gold colored and difficult to grow plants that get ripe in a reasonable amount of time, 9 to 12 weeks. They are extremely sensitive to excessive nutrients, and start out very slow growing in the seedling stage. Both of these traits are from the Haze. The effect and potency of these children are not as good as any of the parents. However, the Haze was so extremely excellent that I can't believe these seeds won't express something in the future that will be extraordinary. I'm hoping to get this expression in the next generation by outcrossing to something like the genetics I'm currently looking through and posting about in this thread.

Thanks for your contributions to this thread, and your encouragement. I seem to be doing just the things you are suggesting, using Nepalese and Burmese, in addition to the Haze. I, like you, also have an affection to my spiritual Mexicans, in the form of SAGE and probably in my newly acquired Big Sur Holy Weed. Based on your results, Guerrero Berry is next to try.

ThaiBliss