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The Search for Trip Weed

Siever

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My single Destroyer plant yielded a rather kind and warm high actually. It sure looked Thai, but may have more Mexican influences than what you have encountered. Cerebral and spacious apply to the high as well.

Sure is an interesting project though, exactly the kind I would like to pursue if I had the resources. I should move :D


What about the high of the other Destroyers' high?
I'm very interested in Destroyer. I've heard so many amazing things about it.

Siever
 

pinkus

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Just popped two bean from my "malberry mix pack". they are both up... now only 9 more months lol
 

satva

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I should move

A male plant needs to be mature, but not big. All you need is pollen from one mature branch of a Destroyer male and an artist paint brush, you could paint pollen on one or two female flowers on a lower branch of each strain in your tent yielding 15 - 20 seeds per female plant. The remaining flowers would be unseeded. Even with an artist paint brush you'll pollinate other flowers and get more seeds than you'd expect.

Everything x Destroyer. For awhile, Ace Seeds used male(s) from Kaiki's Meao Thai in several crosses. Of course, Meao Thai is the female side of the original family in Destroyer.

PS> cool may not be the best word, kaiki use the terms spacious, time warp, jazzy for Destroyer, but the Highland Mexican and hazey Mango Haze have a nice warm, energetic energy flow, makes me want to be in the vegetable garden, hiking in the gym, or riding a bike.
 
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MostlyMe

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The Thai girls are upside down now, took 17 weeks of mostly 11/13. Still some white pistils here and there, but progress had grinded to a halt and they just had that done look.

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ThaiBliss

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Very nice MM. I'm looking forward to your smoke report. Those were faster than I expected. How many weeks total?

The top buds of my over fertilized Headband came down today also. Two weeks of flushing with a minor amount of phosphorous and potassium and it barely put a dent in the extremely dark green color. In this Headband leaf, you can see a slight amount of purple color coming through the green at the intersection of the leaflets:

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It did not negatively affect the Indica structure of the bud nuggets. Very tight leafy rock hard looking resinous golf ball looking buds. People eat this stuff up:

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Right now it smells like equal amounts of menthol, mint, and sweet/sour perfume hash. This start of harvest is 7 weeks from start of 12/12 light cycle.

ThaiBliss
 
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HatchBrew

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holy fuck nuts. harvested some khmer gold couple weeks ago, as it was going to start to reveg outside...So hacked off all the tops and left all the lower stuff to regrow. Just sampled a half bowl of it. Cleared and rushed my noggin' right away. feeling light and floating. like arms aren't attached. I'm going to go walk around the property and enjoy this. wow this is refreshing.
 

ThaiBliss

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holy fuck nuts... Cleared and rushed my noggin' right away. feeling light and floating. like arms aren't attached. I'm going to go walk around the property and enjoy this. wow this is refreshing.

Sounds like a trip weed confirmation to me.

Congrats Hatch...

ThaiBliss
 

Infinitesimal

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Very nice MM. I'm looking forward to your smoke report. Those were faster than I expected. How many weeks total?

The top buds of my over fertilized Headband came down today also. Two weeks of flushing with a minor amount of phosphorous and potassium and it barely put a dent in the extremely dark green color. In this Headband leaf, you can see a slight amount of purple color coming through the green at the intersection of the leaflets:

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It did not negatively affect the Indica structure of the bud nuggets. Very tight leafy rock hard looking resinous golf ball looking buds. People eat this stuff up:

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Right now it smells like equal amounts of menthol, mint, and sweet/sour perfume hash.

ThaiBliss

looks perfect to me, IMO, most people create nutrient deficiencies during the most important time of maturation of the plant when optimal nutrient levels facilitate maximum secondary metabolite production (essential oils)... "flushing" creates deficientcies causing the plant to work harder by making it move nutrients around the plant to get the necessary precursor molecules to the budsites which uses precious metabolic energy the plant could have devoted to producing terpenes and cannabinoids.

so I say good job and keep it green through harvest... these are flowering annuals after all, not trees that need to survive and store nutrients over the winter in order to regrow in the spring.

-Infinitesimal
 

MostlyMe

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Very nice MM. I'm looking forward to your smoke report. Those were faster than I expected. How many weeks total?

Ace says they take 16-20 weeks, so 17 weeks at 11/13 is even a bit long IMO.

First impressions of a quick dried sample are good. Starts with a pressure on your chest with a feeling something profound is going to happen, then moves into a frantically energetic phase. I got really tired after an hour or so, but I was tired to begin with, so I am not yet attributing that to the DT.
 

ThaiBliss

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Time flies, except for my grow. LOL

Good initial report. Sorry about the tiredness. I hope you are correct, and the wake and bake test, relatively, is improved. It also may get better with a good cure.

T.B.
 

ThaiBliss

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looks perfect to me, IMO, most people create nutrient deficiencies during the most important time of maturation of the plant when optimal nutrient levels facilitate maximum secondary metabolite production (essential oils)... "flushing" creates deficientcies causing the plant to work harder by making it move nutrients around the plant to get the necessary precursor molecules to the budsites which uses precious metabolic energy the plant could have devoted to producing terpenes and cannabinoids.

so I say good job and keep it green through harvest... these are flowering annuals after all, not trees that need to survive and store nutrients over the winter in order to regrow in the spring.

-Infinitesimal

Infinitesimal,

I have been having this difference of opinion with many different posters on this website. If I had to guess, > 90% of people believe what you are expressing. It sounds so perfectly logical, and when I was younger and less experienced, I argued the same theory. The only problem is that it is contrary to my total smoking and growing experience. It is virtually impossible to get anyone to take the contrary opinion seriously without smoke tests, double blind would be ideal, but I'm going to try... again.

I will start by conceding that every strain has it's own sweet spot of fertilizer level, and for the Headband previously posted, this over fertilization, IMHO, may not show significant loss of potency/quality at the nutrient level it has been exposed to. Only time and testing will tell. This is my first grow of this strain. Due to my experience, I highly doubt that this is the best I will be able to grow it. If it smokes reasonably well, I will grow again and do various tests of incrementally decreased nutrient levels from the current level, particularly nitrogen.

There are two other strains in the cabinet that I have grown previously, one of them several times. They are both suffering from the excess fertilizer, and it is visually obvious. I will use the extreme example to make my case.

First, since everyone seems to love a theory, I'll express a couple here. It may be correct that a plant needs rich fertilizer for a plant to produce the greatest amounts of THC, other cannabinoids, and terpenes, which so far are the chemicals that the plant produces that are generally recognized to affect our perceptions. However, I smoke buds, and it is the correct concentration of these chemicals in the flowers that is my goal. It must be stressed here that for some cannabinoids, for example CBD, it is desired to have these cannabinoids reduced. I may like the effects, and feel the effects in a more pronounced way in buds with 12% THC and .01% CBD, than I do with 25% THC and 1.0% CBD. I am making up these numbers and ratios without precise testing. However, I believe there has been enough testing that this notion is somewhat accepted, at least by many.

Here is the thing. We do not know all there is to know about what is affecting our perceptions of the potency and quality of the high experienced, and it is certain that our cultural experience and our unique brain chemistry affects our experience. What I do know is that pretending that we know all there is to know about the high we experience when smoking weed will inevitably lead us to incorrect conclusions. It may be that green chlorophyll modifies our experience with smoking buds by modifying the THC in a negative way, while yellow chlorophyll enhances the experience with THC and the other cannabinoids in the buds. In my 46+ years of smoking, the best buds were always "gold" (yellow), red, black (dark purple), brown, or some combinations of these colors with occasionally some green in the mix. Never in my life have I smoked a strongly green colored bud, and considered it one of the best that I have ever smoked. I will concede that I have smoked some light colored green bud that were world class, IMO.

The paragraph above addresses combinations of chemicals in the buds that are produced, which obviously vary depending on the fertilizer levels and curing conditions. After all, we can detect these differences with our eyes. I'm not just talking about THC, other cannabinoids, and terpenes. Buds are a complex soup of chemicals that we know very little about. The other thing that should be discussed is the physical structure of the buds. I am quite sure that varying levels of fertilizer, as well as varying levels and quality of light affect the tissue of the bud. These conditions not only affect the size of the resin glands, but also the surface area and thickness of the tissue that the resin glands grow from. These tissue differences and resin gland size differences are not optimized in a way that makes the overall bud most densely concentrated with resins and THC, when the plant is grown and flowered using rich fertilizer levels, in my experience. I hope I can make this obvious to the low nitrogen doubters with the following series of pictures.

Here are some pictures of a particular SAGE x Purple Haze Thai individual. The first picture shows a bud harvested at 9 weeks of flowering light timings. The first picture is of a grow that I consider a touch too green, slightly too much nitrogen, but it turned out pretty well, and can be roughly representative of the fertilizer level that I am targeting. This is one of the few strains that I have kept in my collection over the past decade:

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Here are some pictures of the very same cutting at 7 weeks. Not only has the overdose in nitrogen severely and detrimentally affected the structure of the bud, and concentration of resin in the bud, but it is also very likely to delay the harvest time significantly:

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Here is a picture that shows an over fertilized bud in the best condition that I can find:

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Once again, this is the plant I grew with much less fertilizer, particularly nitrogen, but at an earlier stage of flowering. I'm guessing that this was close to 5 or 6 weeks of flowering:

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This is a small slice, exaggerated at the high nitrogen side, of my overall experience with limiting nitrogen in my grows. I have seen a strain with "normal" fertilizer levels compared to extremely low levels. The extremely low level buds were smaller, very "gold" like, and had highly concentrated resin levels as compared to the higher fertilized, but still light green buds from the same cutting. The example of extremely reduced nitrogen had a cleaner high and was more potent by a factor of 2 or 3. This was for a particular strain, and this extreme reduction in nitrogen may not be applicable to all strains.

I have been given cuttings that I grew outside at moderately reduced nitrogen levels, compared to most growers, and when showing these buds to the person that gave me the cutting, they were surprised that they were grown outside. People in this area seem to prefer indoor buds. I think it is because, in general, the indoor looks less leafy and more resinous. Lowering levels of nitrogen can have the same effect.

I hope I did not completely waste my time writing this. Some people will not find it worthy of a thought, much less of a response. So be it. However, if one person out there somewhere is convinced to have an open mind and experiment a bit, then this has been time well spent.

ThaiBliss
 

Shooters

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Interesting ThaiBliss!

I've been experiencing similar results in the buds I've grown. The Lionheart will yellow the leaves automatically to increase light penetration to lower and internal buds, for the first three years of growing that strain outdoors and in greenhouses, I ruined the buds by feeding lots of nitrogen and ferts to green the leaves back up like I'd been taught and read. Buds ended up being harsh and not very potent. Last year I fed the Lionheart no ferts at all and let it pull what it needed directly from the soil. I just watered and kept it off the roof of the greenhouse.

The buds ended up being much more potent then previous years and better tasting as well.

I've been going to the local dispensary and sampling the buds they offer. All indoor grown and all with the same or similar ferts and lots of flowering boosters, they all taste the same for the most part and none have given me the same quality of smoke or high as my Lionheart. Green crack, Jack Herer, Harly Girl, G-13, Durban Poison have all been a let down in high and taste, I did get some Skunk 1 that was decent quality but still tasted of their ferts

I have found some seed in the Skunk 1 that the growers says was polinated by a male SK1 so I'm going to pop and grow those seeds to see if an outdoor grow in organic soil w/out ferts will out-perform the quality of the dispensary grow.

I'm pretty damn sure it will! Thanks for the info and experience you continue to share!!
 

MostlyMe

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Time flies, except for my grow. LOL

Good initial report. Sorry about the tiredness. I hope you are correct, and the wake and bake test, relatively, is improved. It also may get better with a good cure.

T.B.

Second time around there was no tiredness, but the energy phase morphed into a deep yet non-sedative relaxation. The kind of relaxation you experience when you go on holidays and sit down with a nice beer after your long trip: content and full of anticipation. Way different than the deactivatingly narcotic indica stone.

I paid more attention to the high this time, and it's akin to Destroyer's, but even more spacious, as Satva described it. It stays with you through-out the high, also during the relaxed phase.

I never personally experienced such a dramatic turn in a strain, which is kind in it's own right. I am hoping the relaxation will develop towards Double Jam though. That would make it 'your' trip weed, but without the cold harsh phase I don't care for anyway ;)
 

ThaiBliss

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Second time around there was no tiredness, but the energy phase morphed into a deep yet non-sedative relaxation. The kind of relaxation you experience when you go on holidays and sit down with a nice beer after your long trip: content and full of anticipation. Way different than the deactivatingly narcotic indica stone.

I paid more attention to the high this time, and it's akin to Destroyer's, but even more spacious, as Satva described it. It stays with you through-out the high, also during the relaxed phase.

I never personally experienced such a dramatic turn in a strain, which is kind in it's own right. I am hoping the relaxation will develop towards Double Jam though. That would make it 'your' trip weed, but without the cold harsh phase I don't care for anyway ;)

Thanks for the smoke report. I love the detail, and some contrast. It will be nice to how this modifies over time with a cure.

I am thrilled to hear about your Double Jam, especially since I have two Jamaicans going at the moment.

It is difficult to describe the states of mind that strong weed can put you in. If what is being described as a "cold harsh phase" is what I imagine, I like it to a certain extent. To me, it feels like a reality check, a mini mid life crisis, a reset button, a short exhilarating adventure on a completely different planet. It is worthwhile to take a moment of introspection, as long as it morphs into "everything is alright", and "life is beautiful". I do have to say that I loved the freaky Neville's Haze I once had because after the exhilarating and scary "where is this taking me", it morphed to a more pronounced and exaggerated euphoria, actual bliss, than what I remember how Thai Stick was. Judging by your descriptions, I would want to cross Double Thai with Double Jam, but those are my preferences.

Thanks again,

ThaiBliss
 

Siever

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Malawi x Purple haze is in my opinion also tripweed. By this I'm not talking about visual halucination, but auditive (I hope this correct English) halucinations. I mean it makes me hear wonderfull music always when I smoked it.
 

idiit

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Malawi x Purple haze is in my opinion also tripweed
^siever

Hi

A grower has analyzed his outdoor Malawi, and it tested:
THC: 24.07 %
CBD: 0.07 %
CBN: 0.01 %

http://sclabs.com/sample-detail.html?id=87492

Amazing high THC content, just a single Malawi plant from seed, and already competing with the highest THC elite clone from USA.

His Chem Dog x Malawi homemade cross tested even higher:
THC: 27.28 %
CBD: 0.08 %
CBN: 0 %

http://sclabs.com/sample-detail.html?id=87491
There are more clear and energetic malawi phenos without or with very little ceiling.
The killer malawi high is super powerful, dense and long lasting, very few people can overindulge it, just one joint is enough to blow your mind for 4-5 hours.
dubi

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=6455094#post6455094

Malawi is quite inbred landrace line, great genetics to breed with and to make crosses: its vigour, branching, high yield, high resin production and high potency are easily transmited in its hybrids.
dubi

That's the character of the malawi seed line: very vigorous and high yielding sativa, with an overpowering scary trippy effect that is very long lasting, a dense and intense experience.
dubi

Purple Haze Malawi effect is very clear, mental and motivating as you experienced, more on the Haze side .... surprisingly the Malawi influence doesn't make the effect heavy or very physical.
dubi

my experiences with the 2011 golden tiger are totally consistent with dubi's posts. the 2011 was incredibly trippy after a 6 month cure. that plant was very heavy, narcotic trippy. as dubi has stated, some of the Malawi's and Malawi hybrids can be up, energetic, psychoactive as well.

interesting how additions/changes to an existing genome (hybrids, phenotypes) can be so radically different performance wise re electric vs sedative in ace's Malawi line. most seem to be powerful to very powerful and psychoactive.

many have noted that oth performs best in hybrids.
 

HatchBrew

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idiit...okay okay i'll throw down the malawi seeds I have :) Thanks for all the info!! Ran these seeds before, don't know breeder, but they were some beautiful large cola'd happy plants. Grew them outdoor three seasons ago, will have to find a male and do some fun with him.

Khmer gold is starting to send out some new growth for cuttings. She'll be seeing more run this summer time. Will throw the cuts into the Light dep once they're rooted.
 

satva

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Highland Burmese - Highland Thai

Highland Burmese - Highland Thai

meadowman, is this your Highland Burmese? If so, it should be similar to Highland Thai genetics used by DJ Short, Ace Seeds, and Cannabiogen. There are also indica dominate Burmese genetics.

Double Thai - Koh Chong Thai (tropical Thai) x Meao Thai (Highland Thai) should have a more spacious effect as Dubi and MostlyMe have noted.

Strain Name: Highland Thai
Brand: landrace(sativafiend)
Landrace,F1,F2, Selfed,Polyhybrid etc
Worked Landrace
Lineage:Highland Thai X Highland Thai

Landrace pure sativa, Grown by the Lahu hilltribe in northern Thailand and Burmese border areaThis tribe are from Tibet originally,they migrated through China and Burma over a three hundred years ago.Seeds are always collected from same source,a pure breeding strain grown for over 100 years in the mountain village they are collected from on Thai side of the border,one farmer crosses male to famale using many different plants and distributes the seeds to others.Grows at 2000 metres,and producing two crops a year.This is the same landrace type as used bye DJ short for his blueberry and flo crosses.I have never seen any herm traits in this line,even plants that are stressed and re-vegged for three seasons has not shown any herm traits.A great breeding tool,rooted cuttings can be flowered strait away a will produce a managable sized pure sativa at just under a meter tall,flowering photoperiod is best at 11 hours 30 mins for quicker bud set.These seeds are from 19.5 latitude.
 
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