The Search for Trip Weed

[satva]

what other trippy strains have you smoked in the '60s & '70s?

1974 Maui Wowie
1975 Highland Oaxacan Gold
1972 Panama Red
1973 Acapulco Gold
1970 Colombian Gold
1970 Colombian dark brown - black
1978 Thai Sticks
1970 Colombian Red
1969 Burmese charas.............all dealers stash, clean calayxes, not pressed

 

[Siever]

Colombian Red as in Punto Rojo? CBG sells those seeds, but they have a damn long flowering time.

 

[satva]

I don't remember genetics like Punto Rojo or Purple Corinto associated with 1970 Colombian's just color and what the flowers looked like - individual buds, flower stalks, or pressed. When I hear haze or trip weed - I think equatorial long flowering sativas.

The darker Colombians were intense cerebral, strong with similar short term effect to LSD. I've been smoking Mango Haze phenotype with a Colombian high ~ its more euphoric than Destroyer. redrider notes the effect of Punto Rojo as euphoric, blissful, "as if God walked into the room" - all things I like. PR maybe not as strong as other genetics.

In 2010 , CBG collected Punto Rojo (Red Point) from three highland areas
Northern mountains, Sierra Nevada Santa Marta, Central mountains - Cordillera Central and Southern Mountians, Cordillera Southern. I've seen photographs of two pheno-types.

From CBG seedlot - One pheno-type is: green with red points or red tips on the leaves during flower (Ponto Rojo) and, one pheno-type is red all over, and many with green coloring, and some with pink pistils.

CBG has been selecting and developing Punto Rojo since 2010 and CBG makes good breeding selections based on high and plant structure.

Underground Seed Company (USC) offers Colombian Gold x Jamaican Lambsbreath - backcrossed to Colombian Gold (75% Colombian Gold). USC plants retain an equatorial plant structure, skinny, long inter-nodal, wispy flowers, ultra long flowering + 20 weeks.

Crossing Punto Rojo with Destroyer / Highland Mexican would be similar the original concept for Destroyer _
Highland Hmong Thai and Highland Guerrero. [Thailand x ( Mexican / Colombian)].

In 2003 Destroyer became ~ 75% Thai - [(Thailand x (Mexican/Colombian) x (Thailand)].

Many speculate Punto Rojo is a haze (equatorial sativa). Sam Skunkman haze is often better in a cross. Today sativa dominate genetics are just that Haze x Skunk, Haze x Afghani, 1972 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry, and so on - to the point nobody knows the genetics of the haze used in Kali Mist or Mango haze and so on...........

CBG's Punto Rojo is about as pure of an equatorial sativa was you'll find today. Punto Rojo won't grow like an indica and smoke like a sativa!

 

[Infinitesimal]

Nice score!!good luck im saving my red congo for tc.....

thanks man

hopefully I get good germ rates, then I am going to F2 and cross the shit out of these

 

[Siever]

What happened to the USC website?

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I planted 6 seeds for my next flowering cycle, one Green Haze x Panama, two Jamaican Ganja, and three Punto Rojo. The Green Haze x Panama came up, both 60s Jamaicans, but only one of the Punto Rojo. I'm glad I planted three of those Punto Rojo. I think they may be old. One of them was a floater in the water glass. I soak them a day before putting them in soil. I went to add another of the Punto Rojo, and I accidentally crushed it. It looked dead, so I got two more again. I only have a few left. I'm mighty glad one came up. I hope it is a female that has those red tips like it's namesake. With luck, I'll have a female of each strain.

At this stage, the Jamaicans are the most Sativa looking with very skinny leaves. They look the most like plants I tried growing when I was in Jr. High, and kept failing at, except for some leaf and immature buds. I'll take some pictures of all of them after a few weeks when they get some good sized leaves.

I'm optimistic with this next batch. Many heartfelt thanks to the generous souls who shared these wonderful genetics.

ThaiBliss

 

[Infinitesimal]

hey TB... and you trippers,

here is my Tabitha v1.1 cross @ 5 weeks flowering currently under an 11/13 cycle

This is one of the super tall lanky, wispy budded phenotype that most closely resembles her pure NLD mother

and here are some shots of the shorter phenotypes who much less resemble their mother in the growth structure of the plant at least...

crazy how long these take to get moving, and with how plain looking they are with very little resin so far... yet still, the quality of the terpenes coming through so far have me very excited for this cross I can't wait for them to finish so I can cure and sample some.

Peace

 

[Riddleme]

Kumaoni after 6 weeks ,,,

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I love the discussions that have been happening on this thread, but we need more pictures like the beauties that Infinitesimal and Riddleme have posted recently. Those are lovely.

My SAGE cut is starting to fatten up, and is plastered with copious resin:

I've taken a beating for drastically reducing nitrogen, and I let it affect me too much. I am using more, and waiting longer to taper it off. It does not seem to be affecting the SAGE adversely at all, but the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai looks like crap. It was much faster to develop and had tighter buds with less nitrogen. I'm too embarrassed to post pictures of it now. I'm tapering off the nitrogen now, and I hope it is not too late. I think the more Sativa the genes are, the more that reducing nitrogen helps.

I'd sure like to see pictures of HatchBrew's Khmer Gold. I think MostlyMe is way overdue for some pictures. Weren't you growing a Gypsy Nirvana Thai? How is that doing? Throw down dog!


I was at the Portland Or. Hemp Expo last weekend and acquired more seeds that I don't have time or space to grow, Neville's Haze. In a few months I should know the rules that will be in effect to grow commercially here in Oregon. Perhaps I will get a license and make some room to look through larger numbers in order to find what we are looking for.

Great work everyone,

ThaiBliss

 

[Infinitesimal]

Sage is looking bomb... i will have to give it up to adam dunn for that one. I guess the big sur holy is strong genetically.

2 of my tabithas are still not showing any kind flowers to speak of after almost six weeks... that with the heavy dual leaf serrations and the chocolate stem rub smells make me hopeful for something really strong if not just psychedelic in nature.

 

[MostlyMe]

I am overdue for some pictures indeed, especially since I started harvesting a couple of weeks ago.

First to come down was Eldorado, when it popped a banana:

She looks nice and frosty, is quite a big yielder and she especially smells nice and strong (fuelly), but I don't like the high. It´s muddy and heavy. It's not very potent either.

Next came Purple Haze Thai. First the really purple pheno:

And also what I call the calyx-on-stalk pheno:

Both have a fantastic clear and clean high. The purple is more energetic, the cos pheno more spiritual.

I also harvested a foxtailed green pheno, a purplish pheno and I still have a Thai leaning pheno growing, as well as three Double Thai. Week 16 has just begun and it looks like they will need 2 more weeks.

Also finished my two Double Jam, this is one of them:

After an initial bad experience - I smoked too much - I am absolutely in love with this strain. Dried, it looks like hay, but it has top notch aroma and high. In the right dose it gives me a profound sense of being at peace with the world, an existential happiness.

More to follow when the Thai girls come down.

 

[ThaiBliss]

She looks nice and frosty, is quite a big yielder and she especially smells nice and strong (fuelly), but I don't like the high. It´s muddy and heavy. It's not very potent either.

This may need to be harvested on the early side, or may clear up after 6 months of cure. I wouldn't give up on this line. Did you take samples along the way?

Next came Purple Haze Thai.
Both have a fantastic clear and clean high. The purple is more energetic, the cos pheno more spiritual.

I like my SAGE x Purple Haze Thai for it's combination of stoniness and energy. I made a ton of seeds from this cross. I need to look through more of them. I consider this to be commercially viable with it's aroma and looks, and has nice solid quality of effect.

Also finished my two Double Jam, this is one of them:

After an initial bad experience - I smoked too much - I am absolutely in love with this strain. Dried, it looks like hay, but it has top notch aroma and high. In the right dose it gives me a profound sense of being at peace with the world, an existential happiness.

Dude... please do tell the "I smoked too much" experience.


"In the right dose it gives me a profound sense of being at peace with the world, an existential happiness."

The quote immediately above is damned near my definition of trip weed. This is what happens to me when I do mushrooms, acid, or weed, in the correct dosage for me. I don't know why people focus on hallucinations. That only happens to me when I'm on the verge of passing out, after doing too much. My handle is "ThaiBliss" for a reason.

Great post and smoke report. It also looks to me like you did a darn good job growing it. I am looking forward to more posts like this from you.


Thanks,

ThaiBliss

 

[MostlyMe]

This may need to be harvested on the early side, or may clear up after 6 months of cure. I wouldn't give up on this line. Did you take samples along the way?

You may be right, I let her go really long for sure. At least two weeks after all pistils had died. Still, I'd say 60-70 % clear trichomes at harvest.

Another possibility is that smallish plants just don't develop to their full potential. In my last two grows I had three plants that needed some more veg time, which I couldn't give because their companions would stretch big time, and they would have liked bigger pots as well. All of these 40-45 cm plants turned out a dud. Anyone with similar experiences?

Dude... please do tell the "I smoked too much" experience.

Well, I wasn't happy with the heights I had reached the last couple of smoking sessions, so when trying out the Double Jam I tried to make sure. It didn't look very resinous so I smoked 1 packed bowl and another decent one. Rookie mistake Wave after wave hit me, taking me to the stratosphere and back. My heart rate followed suit. During peaks I had to tell myself to keep gaming so as to not freak out. I had visual distortions and didn't register sound properly. I remember audio 'coming back' after a while, even though the sound effects kept playing all the time. I just didn't hear them.

The peaks got bearable after a good hour, after close to two hours a nice peaceful afterglow set in that lasted till bedtime.

"In the right dose it gives me a profound sense of being at peace with the world, an existential happiness"

The quote immediately above is damned near my definition of trip weed. This is what happens to me when I do mushrooms, acid, or weed, in the correct dosage for me. I don't know why people focus on hallucinations. That only happens to me when I'm on the verge of passing out, after doing too much. My handle is "ThaiBliss" for a reason.

I am happy you said that! After all, the only way I could get to grips with your definition of trip weed is to experience it. Otherwise it is like imagining a new color so to speak. I honestly didn't consider DJ to be trippy before, but I see now what you mean. It works on a deeper level.

Looking forward to the Thai girls, if they are anything like DJ, I am in for a treat.

Great post and smoke report. It also looks to me like you did a darn good job growing it. I am looking forward to more posts like this from you.

Honestly, it was an easy grow. These girls don't need much. Did I mention I forgot to hook up one PHT to the Blumat system? That means it got watered only once a week starting 3-4 weeks into flowering! In a 4 liter pot!

I am not as extreme in my nute regimen, but I certainly agree with you that less is more up to a point. But I grow organically anyway, so it's "take what you need" kind of feeding. I do add soil bacteria a couple of times during a grow though, just to top up the soil web.

Thanks for the kind words and it'll be my pleasure to keep contributing to this thread. Apart from the Thai girls, it'll be a while though. I will do a quick indica run and then it's down time until I can work through my stash a little.

 

[ThaiBliss]

It figures...

The guy repeatedly expressing the biggest doubts has the best success.


Well congratulations with the grow, you deserve it for the good growing, and the wisdom of acquiring the Double Jam.


I have two 60's Jamaican seedlings up, one of the parents of the Double Jam. I'm aching for one of these to be a good female example. I am beside myself waiting. If these are not female, I've got the Punto Rojo and Green Haze x Panama to back them up. Not bad odds for me to trip over a tripper, in my opinion.

How about a picture of the Double Thais? Give an inch, I ask for a mile.


Thanks,

ThaiBliss

 

[HatchBrew]

I need to sprout my sativas for the outdoor season! What to do what to do.... Maybe a couple of everything... Let y'all know what's hitting the water.

 

[MostlyMe]

@TB: I also understand now what you wrote about Bangi Haze, that it dips it's toe in the lake of trippiness (or something like that) - it does indeed. The trippy quality of my Zamaldelica, on the other hand, is very different... in a way opposite. Zamaldelica makes the world seem unfamiliar, new, yet interesting... whereas the Double Jam makes everything seem like it is what it should be.

Now that I have an idea of what psychedelic qualities are exactly, I am much more positive again about the chances of finding it. I previously assumed the effects would be so far removed from even a really good high that the odds were very low, and that was wrong. I can see now how a strain, not just a freak phenotype, can be trippy. That makes a huge difference!

When I get home on weekdays, lights are already off, so the Thai pictures will have to wait till the weekend.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi HatchBrew - How did the Khmer Gold smoke for you?

MostlyMe - When I wrote that your description is damned close to my definition of trip weed, the part left out was your Zamaldelica description. To me, just three good hits of Thai Stick would send me into your Double Jam "bad" experience, would progress through the Zamaldelica introspective unfamiliar dark side, then end up like your Double Jam bright mind expanding profound connectedness to the world. It was a 6 hour tour of trippy experience. It went from terror to bliss. It was not weed you wanted to smoke everyday, but you wanted it available in your stash, or some of us did. Bangi Haze is like just the tail end of the experience, but lasts a long time. That is why I like it so much. It is more of an every day positive vibes Irie smoke.

I'd declare that I have already found trip weed in Zamaldelica, but to me it leans too much to the dark disturbing downer side, for my tastes. Dubi says that there are ones in there that are more electric and mind expanding (Thai leaning), so I bought several packs and Dubi added an extra as a freebie. After the Jamaican, Punto Rojo, and Green Haze x Panama, I'm going to sprout a couple of Zamaldelica and a Highland Mexican x Blueberry.

By your descriptions, I'd cross the Zamaldelica with your Double Jam making lots of seeds to preserve them and share with lots of friends. Think of all the possible combinations of the spectrum of trippy that might express. You are a fortunate one. Imagine if they combined and the potency was doubled.

I'd highly discourage getting the idea to cross these trippy strains with a good Indica. That is how we lost the trippy strains in the first place, in my opinion. For some reason, that is the idea everyone and their brother gets.

ThaiBliss

 

[HatchBrew]

Khmer is still flowering... Going to chop her soon-ish. She likes being outside too much. But is definitely of the calyx on a stem type of buds. I'll get out there in a little and show you what she's done/doing Super lemon with a earthy, just-rained-on-asphalt kind of thing.

 

[HatchBrew]

I'd highly discourage getting the idea to cross these trippy strains with a good Indica. That is how we lost the trippy strains in the first place, in my opinion. For some reason, that is the idea everyone and their brother gets.

ThaiBliss

2nd that fully! Like smells and flavors that compliment another/are similar, not the smushing-mashing of two opposite of the spectrum plants.

 

[MostlyMe]

@TB - Interesting, so actually it's three phase trip weed you're after. I know all the phases now, but experienced them separately. The coldness and terror I actually got from a Bangi pheno, but that went away pretty quickly in the cure. My Zamaldelica isn't like that actually. That one makes the world unfamiliar but it's warm and not scary - another facet I guess.

I must say I don't care much for the cold thing. Getting too high is a risk we all take and an experienced toker will ride it out, knowing nothing bad can happen. If the coldness can be avoided, I will do so... it is pretty cool though.

Now for the bad news: I don't keep cuts and I don't make crosses. I would if I could. I know all it takes is a small cabinet and an extra tent, but the only space I have for it, is where visitors sometimes stay or pass through. I am not prepared to live with that kind of security risk.