The Search for Trip Weed

[JamieShoes]

I noticed the Oaxacan IBL too... finsihes in 8-8.5 weeks so doubtful to be "trip weed" but nice to see these guys looking back to a time when we valued different highs to those we see so often today

 

[MostlyMe]

I noticed the Oaxacan IBL too... finsihes in 8-8.5 weeks so doubtful to be "trip weed" but nice to see these guys looking back to a time when we valued different highs to those we see so often today

I came back to add the Oaxacan IBL, but you beat me to it Wouldn't dismiss it on account of the flowering time though, Bangi Haze doesn't need that long either. One of mine took 9 weeks 11/13 (that's 9 weeks from flip, not from showing sex).

 

[JamieShoes]

well, I ordered a bunch so I guess I'll know soon enough.. I'll be happy to report my findings

edit: got some yrs old HOG in the fridge too, maybe I should crack a couple to run along side...

 

[satva]

Destroyer x HMBB f2

Destroyer x HMBB f2

Harvest!

 

[SoufLondon]

Ace Purple Haze x Panama

Wow that looks LOVELY. keep up the great wprk!

 

[Siever]

Satva,

are those seeds from females with nanners?
If so you can sow them again and have almost femmed seeds. I do it MK Ultra for more than a year, but not continuesly and to me it works fine. I m just saying it. At the end you do what you please of course.

Siever

 

[VanVulpen]

Infinitesimal,

I have been having this difference of opinion with many different posters on this website. If I had to guess, > 90% of people believe what you are expressing. It sounds so perfectly logical, and when I was younger and less experienced, I argued the same theory. The only problem is that it is contrary to my total smoking and growing experience. It is virtually impossible to get anyone to take the contrary opinion seriously without smoke tests, double blind would be ideal, but I'm going to try... again.

I will start by conceding that every strain has it's own sweet spot of fertilizer level, and for the Headband previously posted, this over fertilization, IMHO, may not show significant loss of potency/quality at the nutrient level it has been exposed to. Only time and testing will tell. This is my first grow of this strain. Due to my experience, I highly doubt that this is the best I will be able to grow it. If it smokes reasonably well, I will grow again and do various tests of incrementally decreased nutrient levels from the current level, particularly nitrogen.

There are two other strains in the cabinet that I have grown previously, one of them several times. They are both suffering from the excess fertilizer, and it is visually obvious. I will use the extreme example to make my case.

First, since everyone seems to love a theory, I'll express a couple here. It may be correct that a plant needs rich fertilizer for a plant to produce the greatest amounts of THC, other cannabinoids, and terpenes, which so far are the chemicals that the plant produces that are generally recognized to affect our perceptions. However, I smoke buds, and it is the correct concentration of these chemicals in the flowers that is my goal. It must be stressed here that for some cannabinoids, for example CBD, it is desired to have these cannabinoids reduced. I may like the effects, and feel the effects in a more pronounced way in buds with 12% THC and .01% CBD, than I do with 25% THC and 1.0% CBD. I am making up these numbers and ratios without precise testing. However, I believe there has been enough testing that this notion is somewhat accepted, at least by many.

Here is the thing. We do not know all there is to know about what is affecting our perceptions of the potency and quality of the high experienced, and it is certain that our cultural experience and our unique brain chemistry affects our experience. What I do know is that pretending that we know all there is to know about the high we experience when smoking weed will inevitably lead us to incorrect conclusions. It may be that green chlorophyll modifies our experience with smoking buds by modifying the THC in a negative way, while yellow chlorophyll enhances the experience with THC and the other cannabinoids in the buds. In my 46+ years of smoking, the best buds were always "gold" (yellow), red, black (dark purple), brown, or some combinations of these colors with occasionally some green in the mix. Never in my life have I smoked a strongly green colored bud, and considered it one of the best that I have ever smoked. I will concede that I have smoked some light colored green bud that were world class, IMO.

The paragraph above addresses combinations of chemicals in the buds that are produced, which obviously vary depending on the fertilizer levels and curing conditions. After all, we can detect these differences with our eyes. I'm not just talking about THC, other cannabinoids, and terpenes. Buds are a complex soup of chemicals that we know very little about. The other thing that should be discussed is the physical structure of the buds. I am quite sure that varying levels of fertilizer, as well as varying levels and quality of light affect the tissue of the bud. These conditions not only affect the size of the resin glands, but also the surface area and thickness of the tissue that the resin glands grow from. These tissue differences and resin gland size differences are not optimized in a way that makes the overall bud most densely concentrated with resins and THC, when the plant is grown and flowered using rich fertilizer levels, in my experience. I hope I can make this obvious to the low nitrogen doubters with the following series of pictures.

Here are some pictures of a particular SAGE x Purple Haze Thai individual. The first picture shows a bud harvested at 9 weeks of flowering light timings. The first picture is of a grow that I consider a touch too green, slightly too much nitrogen, but it turned out pretty well, and can be roughly representative of the fertilizer level that I am targeting. This is one of the few strains that I have kept in my collection over the past decade:

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Here are some pictures of the very same cutting at 7 weeks. Not only has the overdose in nitrogen severely and detrimentally affected the structure of the bud, and concentration of resin in the bud, but it is also very likely to delay the harvest time significantly:

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Here is a picture that shows an over fertilized bud in the best condition that I can find:

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Once again, this is the plant I grew with much less fertilizer, particularly nitrogen, but at an earlier stage of flowering. I'm guessing that this was close to 5 or 6 weeks of flowering:

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This is a small slice, exaggerated at the high nitrogen side, of my overall experience with limiting nitrogen in my grows. I have seen a strain with "normal" fertilizer levels compared to extremely low levels. The extremely low level buds were smaller, very "gold" like, and had highly concentrated resin levels as compared to the higher fertilized, but still light green buds from the same cutting. The example of extremely reduced nitrogen had a cleaner high and was more potent by a factor of 2 or 3. This was for a particular strain, and this extreme reduction in nitrogen may not be applicable to all strains.

I have been given cuttings that I grew outside at moderately reduced nitrogen levels, compared to most growers, and when showing these buds to the person that gave me the cutting, they were surprised that they were grown outside. People in this area seem to prefer indoor buds. I think it is because, in general, the indoor looks less leafy and more resinous. Lowering levels of nitrogen can have the same effect.

I hope I did not completely waste my time writing this. Some people will not find it worthy of a thought, much less of a response. So be it. However, if one person out there somewhere is convinced to have an open mind and experiment a bit, then this has been time well spent.

ThaiBliss

I can see where you coming from with this. Here's a Afropips Malawi Gold i had with me years ago, first two pics are the mother plant struggling in rich N soil, last is a clone grown in a bucket of mushroom compost at about the same age, 12+ weeks or so...

 

[Dave Coulier]

Im digging the new shots Satva. Those nug shots look so inviting. I bet they'll be a treat to smoke. Someday, I hope to contribute finished sativa nug shots to this thread. Now if my Thai would only finish up. She's 157 days into 11.5/12.5 and is still packing on long stringy foxtails. It could be another month or more before she is done... I neglected to switch to 11/13 as TB suggested. Im gonna do that tonight this time for sure.

I hope the clone next to her will be faster, but lets be honest, it's going to be a long wait no matter what. This time Im running the clone and reveg Thai with Osmocote 5-7 month formula. I think at the right rates this will make carrying for very long flowering sativa's much more do-able for growers. Does anyone else here ever use Osmocote? It'd be nice to compare rates. Ill try to update how that goes down the line for those of you who are curious.

This wouldn't be a Trippy/Thai thread without some pictures of Thai, so Ill share a few. Anyone else have some Thai plants to share today?

First up is a clone of TSA. Solid female so far. The mother plant hasn't shown a single nanner after nearly 160 days and Ive subjected her to light leaks many times over. Now to find a male so I can make my own seeds.

Next up is TSB Revegged Seedplant @ 2 months post harvest. The cross-dresser. Im fair, Ill giver her/him a second chance, but if she doesn't walk the line its the axe!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Satva,

Looks like Mexican Red Hair! Have you pushed for the ceiling of any of these individuals?

Can't wait for smoke reports.

T.B.

 

[satva]

are those seeds from females with nanners?
No.

Looks like a Mexican Red Hair!
Yes she does! Destroyer mother had Red Hair and a Thai high. Here's the Destroyer mother.


Have you found a ceiling in any of those?
No too early. Only smoked a bit of the DS x HMBB harvest. After smoking the Destroyer mother all morning, my first taste of a "Red Hair" bud made me go wow! The high was ~ "as it should be" clear and psychedelic. I've been mostly vaporizing "180 micron" dry sift ~ a blended mixture of well cured Destroyer and Highland Mexican. The high from vaporizing dry sift is like THC (Chocolate) edibles, you think you're not high, then before you realize what's happening, you're really high.

I cure for a month before evaluating the high. I have clones of the two DS X HMBB females and a DS X HMBB male. Any reason to keep DS x HMBB clones in addition to keeping DS x HMBB f2 seeds?

In my next run, I'm leaning towards a Colombian lovefest Colombian Punto Rojo / Colombian Gold / Jamaican Lambsbread. Some risk as Colombian ladies are tall and skinny and take a long time to flower.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Any reason to keep DS x HMBB clones in addition to keeping DS x HMBB f2 seeds?

In my opinion, if you find any f2 that are as good or better than the original DS, HMBB, or DS x HMBB, then no. If you find any f2 that are definitely better, then preserve those f2 for backcrossing if further generations drift. Even if further generations smoke as good or better, backcrossing to the f2 now and then can bring back some variability, without losing the essence, if things start getting bottlenecked in f6, f7, fn....

Sounds like a very good line. Lots of clone preservations will wind up being valuable in some way or another, if you have space.

 

[Stonedform]

Was Puna Budder (Budda) ever mentioned?

I've seen it floating around in Santa Cruz of late, including a cross with Girl Scout Cookies. I tried the cross, VERY sativa heavy, had some psychedelic qualities. I'd imagine the original was closer to what you guys are looking for?

 

[ThaiBliss]

Funny you mention... I just picked up some clones today, Maui, Sour Diesel, Tahoe OG..., and Girl Scout Cookies. The guy told me that the Girl Scout Cookies was very euphoric and upbeat.

If I come across Puna Budda, I'll give it a try.

Thanks!

 

[sdd420]

Funny you mention... I just picked up some clones today, Maui, Sour Diesel, Tahoe OG..., and Girl Scout Cookies. The guy told me that the Girl Scout Cookies was very euphoric and upbeat.

If I come across Puna Budda, I'll give it a try.

Thanks!

You'll love the cookies it's the best I can find in the clubs. The Tahoe is my favorite Og very sedative and great taste no yield tho. Sourdiesel is very hit or miss hope you got the real deal if so but not the trip were looking for. I'll never forget the one hit stuff from back in the day........hope to find it but it's not everyday weed, one hit and bam you couldn't work if you wanted to for at least a few hours no shower or coffee would sober you up. At least with hybrids you can function and work. I like an all day high as well as a nighttime weed too. Still, I want that trip too! I believe the Thai sticks were the best followed by the panama red then the gold . I'm growing again now and will get in the hunt soon peace sdd

 

[bigtacofarmer]

All my zamal are starting to swell up real nice. 6 girls. One leafy pheno with barely any smell. 2 with kinda a skunky musky scent with nice lookin crystal coated buds. I expect them to finish first. 2 with what I consider a sativa spice (only grown a few pure sativa) kinda piney and fuely. One of which has long super aury and frosty colas. The other has huge fluffy tops. The last pheno is my favorite smelling. Little bit like fruit punch. The only one that's even a little sweet.
A week or so ago I chopped 2 tops of the leafy pheno that kept getting in way of light and stretching real bad. I dried and smoked with no cure. The flavors were good. Nothing to great. Reminded me of good mexi brick weed I used to get sometimes. Flavor improved as smoked also. The high though. Its excellant. All in the head. Nice floating feeling. Defiantly could get trippy. And I'm guessing its close to a month immature. After smoking that for a few days I'm totally let down with the quality of my stash. Organic gg#4, ghost og, chem d and tangerine kush. They all still taste great of course but I can already tell I'm gonna be a crack head for some zamal. And the samples a were off the least stinky and least frosty. All the others are looking 10x better.

 

[Siever]

If you want real trippy weed that makes your mind float: Purple Haze x Malawi!
I've smoked Zamaldelica as well and IMHO PHxM is better, much better.
It would be nice if someone could give a comparison of one of those 2 with CBG Destroyer.

Siever

 

[MostlyMe]

If you want real trippy weed that makes your mind float: Purple Haze x Malawi!
I've smoked Zamaldelica as well and IMHO PHxM is better, much better.
It would be nice if someone could give a comparison of one of those 2 with CBG Destroyer.

Siever

Interesting. How many phenos of Zam did you have? Fem or reg? I bet it has a lot of phenos with quite a range of effects, maybe there's one or two you like better.

My love for Destroyer is growing every week. It's the strongest I have in stock at the moment. My only complaint is the taste. After a cure the aroma really intensified and reminds of lavender, as advertized. A nice smell, but too strong as a taste.

 

[Siever]

Mostly Me,

I had a regular seed pack. I had 2 or 3 females, I can't remember how much exact. As far as I remember there was not much difference between those females. All of them gave me clear head high, euphoric happiness. It's already 2 years ago, so it's a long time to remember every detail. Anyway it hadn't any or just very lightly of a body stone.

Siever

 

[satva]

Love for Destroyer...after a cure the aroma really intensified and reminds of lavender,

In the smoke - I taste fresh lavender soap! Destroyer long cured is leather/ lavender / sage not a pleasant fragrance. When you vaporize Destroyer the first vapors are guava, then lemon, if you stop here and only take the guava / lemon vapors, the high is very pleasurable / blissful, and soaring. This high has minimal connection to your ordinary world, your experience is very spacious and uplifting - "as it is" which by the way is the definition of satva - "as it is" or as somebody else on ~ Tripweed ~ said "as it should be". Those guava and lemon vapors from early or low vaporization are "some of the best" I've experienced. There is a bit of an edge to it ~sativa enough for me! I use "cool" to define that trippy edge. You can stayed mentally focused or go traveling out in the big scary universe......

the next vapors are Spicey / Frankincense / lavander, a sweeter version of the infamous "incense" and "frankincense" "Incense" and "frankincense" which are stronger and denser in Highland Mexican. Incense and frankincense are euphoric with a nice warmth to your mind/ body. Wonderful energy flow from the Highland Mexican. Destroyer is more about letting things be and figuring things out.

The last vapors are lightly burnt - coffee or burnt popcorn. Even the last vapors never give a heavy high or stone. That's the beauty of Destroyer love.

PS> Legally, under the influence of Destroyer x Highland Mexican - Destroyer dominate phenotype "11-finger / Red Hair" -

 

[red rider]

Greetings my friends. The other day i was walking through a little park here in San Bernardo (Bogota) when I smell the distinct smell of weed. I found on the ground a still lite half a joint. I looked around but no one was close so I picked it up and crushed it out in my pocket. I went back home and tried a couple hits in my bong. It had a very harsh taste and unpleasant smell. But OMG it was super strong, setting me down after two hits. The effect came on fast and strong leaving me tripping for 20 minutes unable to move staring at the wall. The twenty minutes seemed like 2 minutes, like the blink of an eye. After that it was like a normal session. I have no idea where or what kind of weed this is but it will defiantly put you on a trip. I tried the last of it this morning and the trip/time warp effect lasted longer and was more intense. There were no seeds in the little half joint so it could be crippa, I wish a had a bud of it to see how it really looked and tasted. In conclusion there is some really trippy Colombian down here even now.

red rider