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The Search for Trip Weed
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Note from the flowering cabinet:
I included two of the three male Jamaican plants I have in this flowering cycle to make absolutely sure the male I want to cull is the #2 male I marked and thought was the hermie. Sure enough, the #2 threw a pistil as well as mostly male flowers. Interesting, and reassuring, that the hermie male hermied in two different grows. It's gone.
Out of four 60s Jamaican seeds planted:
1 did not sprout
2 solid males
1 hermie male
I think I'm due for a solidly female Jamaican!
As long as I have a male Jamaican in flower, I'll use it on the SAGE, SAGE x Purple Haze Thai, and Headband.
It is one beautifully fragrant cabinet right now. I forgot how wonderful the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is. Pungent woody incense soaked in Port wine smell.
Next planting, one Jamaican gets put into soil along with one Punto Rojo and one Green Haze x Panama during the next new moon in 3 days.
ThaiBliss
I included two of the three male Jamaican plants I have in this flowering cycle to make absolutely sure the male I want to cull is the #2 male I marked and thought was the hermie. Sure enough, the #2 threw a pistil as well as mostly male flowers. Interesting, and reassuring, that the hermie male hermied in two different grows. It's gone.
Out of four 60s Jamaican seeds planted:
1 did not sprout
2 solid males
1 hermie male
I think I'm due for a solidly female Jamaican!
As long as I have a male Jamaican in flower, I'll use it on the SAGE, SAGE x Purple Haze Thai, and Headband.
It is one beautifully fragrant cabinet right now. I forgot how wonderful the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is. Pungent woody incense soaked in Port wine smell.
Next planting, one Jamaican gets put into soil along with one Punto Rojo and one Green Haze x Panama during the next new moon in 3 days.
ThaiBliss
I have read some pretty interesting reviews of love potion inlcuding and ranging from really uplifting long lasting euphoria to visuals...
so these are getting popped here soon.
so these are getting popped here soon.
thanks, you can look foward to watching them for sure
Greetings,
I'm starting to see some buds forming in my flowering cabinet.
SAGE x Purple Haze Thai:
Tiny little SAGE nuggets of goodness forming:
Headband Buds:
Jamaican male flowers are just about ready to drop. This little plant in the corner of the cabinet has shot up to tower over the others. These male flowers are so delicate looking when they open with their narrow arm star shape, but the pack a punch. I have ruined a crop by letting as few a 3 open up in there. I have to watch closely:
ThaiBliss
I'm starting to see some buds forming in my flowering cabinet.
SAGE x Purple Haze Thai:
Tiny little SAGE nuggets of goodness forming:
Headband Buds:
Jamaican male flowers are just about ready to drop. This little plant in the corner of the cabinet has shot up to tower over the others. These male flowers are so delicate looking when they open with their narrow arm star shape, but the pack a punch. I have ruined a crop by letting as few a 3 open up in there. I have to watch closely:
ThaiBliss
I've been doing some more thinking and reading about the UV light and early amber trichomes. The color has to be a result of polymerization of compounds in the resin, particularly terpenes. Terpenes are chemically known as alkenes or olefins, i.e. compounds with carbon-carbon double bonds. These types of bonds are well-known to polymerize when exposed to UV light (photopolymerization). See the top right picture of this wiki page of an example. Hence, it is no surprise to see amber earlier when using UV lights with enough penetrating strength.
Now, what does this mean? You could argue that through polymerization terpenes are lost and since cannabinoids are made from a particular terpene and a phenol, basically building blocks are being destroyed.
You could also argue that polymerization creates a kind of protective shell, which prevents further polymerization of untouched terpenes and cannabinoids (and any of those compounds still to be produced). Certainly less light reaches them because the colored compounds absorb light. We know THC content is highest when the trichomes are still clear, so protecting it from harm at that stage might work out better than keeping trichomes fully exposed until production diminishes naturally and discoloration sets in.
In other words, we just don't know. I am dying for some good scientific experiments to figure this one out, but that most likely won't happen any time soon. Still, I certainly wouldn't dismiss early amber as bad, which might be the instinctive reaction of many (I'll admit it was mine). So there you go, Riddleme
Now, what does this mean? You could argue that through polymerization terpenes are lost and since cannabinoids are made from a particular terpene and a phenol, basically building blocks are being destroyed.
You could also argue that polymerization creates a kind of protective shell, which prevents further polymerization of untouched terpenes and cannabinoids (and any of those compounds still to be produced). Certainly less light reaches them because the colored compounds absorb light. We know THC content is highest when the trichomes are still clear, so protecting it from harm at that stage might work out better than keeping trichomes fully exposed until production diminishes naturally and discoloration sets in.
In other words, we just don't know. I am dying for some good scientific experiments to figure this one out, but that most likely won't happen any time soon. Still, I certainly wouldn't dismiss early amber as bad, which might be the instinctive reaction of many (I'll admit it was mine). So there you go, Riddleme
Riddleme
Member
I would love to see scientific studies as well, but I would also be leary of any that were guberment sanctioned or funded. I mean look at the Malburg study that started the whole amber thing. They were not looking to make "our" plants better, they were trying to figure out how to eliminate THC to get a better hemp plant and NO WHERE in the study was the word amber used, they used the word brown! And yet here we are with thousands of growers growing inadequate plants and not knowing the difference. Then there are those of us that are older and remember the difference actively out here searching for it.I've been doing some more thinking and reading about the UV light and early amber trichomes. The color has to be a result of polymerization of compounds in the resin, particularly terpenes. Terpenes are chemically known as alkenes or olefins, i.e. compounds with carbon-carbon double bonds. These types of bonds are well-known to polymerize when exposed to UV light (photopolymerization). See the top right picture of this wiki page of an example. Hence, it is no surprise to see amber earlier when using UV lights with enough penetrating strength.
Now, what does this mean? You could argue that through polymerization terpenes are lost and since cannabinoids are made from a particular terpene and a phenol, basically building blocks are being destroyed.
You could also argue that polymerization creates a kind of protective shell, which prevents further polymerization of untouched terpenes and cannabinoids (and any of those compounds still to be produced). Certainly less light reaches them because the colored compounds absorb light. We know THC content is highest when the trichomes are still clear, so protecting it from harm at that stage might work out better than keeping trichomes fully exposed until production diminishes naturally and discoloration sets in.
In other words, we just don't know. I am dying for some good scientific experiments to figure this one out, but that most likely won't happen any time soon. Still, I certainly wouldn't dismiss early amber as bad, which might be the instinctive reaction of many (I'll admit it was mine). So there you go, Riddleme
Though my experiments are not completely scientific, I do only change one thing at a time to observe the variance and there are several growers that follow me doing the same things and getting the same results.
Also consider this. When I first grew my CTF I was smoking 2 joints a night for my medical needs (over a year and a half ago) not ever was there any kind of tolerance issues. I have smoked my CTF every night since growing the first one and today (as in last night) I only need to smoke a half a joint for my medical needs, pretty much all the tweaks and adjustments I have done since adding UV had upped my potency and though not truly scientific it is none the less compelling.
Nice score!!good luck im saving my red congo for tc.....
Greetings,
My Jamaican male started dropping pollen, so I moved it out of my flowering cabinet. I think the SAGE cut is showing signs of pregnancy.
I'm trying to dust the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai a bit, and the Headband a bit also.
I don't have room in my veg. cabinet at the moment due to preparations for outdoor starts, so I left it in my utility room. That sucka' is stinking up the whole house. I don't believe I have ever had male plants that are so pungent. The aroma is wonderful. I'd say it is strongly of incense, with a sour apple cider note to it. I believe I have read about the genetics of this line, but I don't remember hearing anything about how pungent it is. I have read many posts about how amazing it is. I hope that means that the quality and potency of the high overshadows any considerations of aroma. That is my dream, and I'm sticking to it until proven otherwise. Preparations have started to find a female.
ThaiBliss
My Jamaican male started dropping pollen, so I moved it out of my flowering cabinet. I think the SAGE cut is showing signs of pregnancy.
I'm trying to dust the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai a bit, and the Headband a bit also.
I don't have room in my veg. cabinet at the moment due to preparations for outdoor starts, so I left it in my utility room. That sucka' is stinking up the whole house. I don't believe I have ever had male plants that are so pungent. The aroma is wonderful. I'd say it is strongly of incense, with a sour apple cider note to it. I believe I have read about the genetics of this line, but I don't remember hearing anything about how pungent it is. I have read many posts about how amazing it is. I hope that means that the quality and potency of the high overshadows any considerations of aroma. That is my dream, and I'm sticking to it until proven otherwise. Preparations have started to find a female.
ThaiBliss
Thanks sdd,
I just killed a reversed male. It was natural I guess. All three males I had are pungent, though the hermie might have been the strongest. I'm going to find a good female for the last two males I've kept.
The backup plan is pollenating all my best female cuts. The SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is powerful incense, but instead of a cider background, it is wine flavored.
T.B.
I just killed a reversed male. It was natural I guess. All three males I had are pungent, though the hermie might have been the strongest. I'm going to find a good female for the last two males I've kept.
The backup plan is pollenating all my best female cuts. The SAGE x Purple Haze Thai is powerful incense, but instead of a cider background, it is wine flavored.
T.B.
RoosterGrows
New member
Thaibliss:
First, let me say thank you for this thread. This is a topic near and dear to my heart, as I've always been a fan of the psychoactive strains, and I'm always "chasing the dragon" trying to find a strain more psychoactive than the last.
I have been a longtime lurker on this thread, and I actually registered, in large part, so I could be a part of this discussion. I am a legal, hobby-level grower of medical cannabis here in Washington, and I try to grow high-quality small batches using mostly organic means.
The strain I wanted to bring to your attention is Mindscape by Gage Green. I have yet to grow the strain myself, so I can't comment on the cultivation characterisics of the plant. That said, I have purchased the dried flower from a local dispensary twice, and based on my experiences, I can unequivocally recommend the strain to you and others searching for psychoactive strains.
My experience with the Mindscape high was characterized by a traditional soaring, racy sativa high, but also marked by auditory distortions/ semi-hallucinations. After smoking Mindscape on one particular occasion, I took a shower-- during the shower, the sound of the water running through the pipes took on an otherworldly, musical tone, like an alien chick singing an aria.
I don't know if you've ever explored the strain-- if you have, sorry for the repetitive info. Hopefully, the pheno I smoked is fairly representative of the strain overall, I would hate to steer anyone wrong!
Anyway, that's all I have for now. Happy hunting!
First, let me say thank you for this thread. This is a topic near and dear to my heart, as I've always been a fan of the psychoactive strains, and I'm always "chasing the dragon" trying to find a strain more psychoactive than the last.
I have been a longtime lurker on this thread, and I actually registered, in large part, so I could be a part of this discussion. I am a legal, hobby-level grower of medical cannabis here in Washington, and I try to grow high-quality small batches using mostly organic means.
The strain I wanted to bring to your attention is Mindscape by Gage Green. I have yet to grow the strain myself, so I can't comment on the cultivation characterisics of the plant. That said, I have purchased the dried flower from a local dispensary twice, and based on my experiences, I can unequivocally recommend the strain to you and others searching for psychoactive strains.
My experience with the Mindscape high was characterized by a traditional soaring, racy sativa high, but also marked by auditory distortions/ semi-hallucinations. After smoking Mindscape on one particular occasion, I took a shower-- during the shower, the sound of the water running through the pipes took on an otherworldly, musical tone, like an alien chick singing an aria.
I don't know if you've ever explored the strain-- if you have, sorry for the repetitive info. Hopefully, the pheno I smoked is fairly representative of the strain overall, I would hate to steer anyone wrong!
Anyway, that's all I have for now. Happy hunting!
Well, science is a human endeavor and as such it can be biased, even corrupted. In the long term, however, I have faith the truth will prevail. Unfortunately, that doesn't help us right now.
The amber/brown thing could indeed be significant. They are probably both the result of degradation, both different molecular mechanisms may be responsible.
Interesting suggestion, especially considering the high indica portion in the genetics. I don't know it, but I have heard people I know speak highly of Gage Green.
RoosterGrows
New member
Yeah, I only found out about the parentage of Mindscape after I smoked it-- def some indica in there, so its psychoactivity likely derives from the Headwrecker side of the cross. I have looked around for headwrecker to see if I can get even more pronounced psychedelic effects, but I've never found clones or seeds.
The above being said, I don't know that we should always dismiss strains containing indica genetics from our search for trip weed. I have smoked some very indica-leaning hybrids that have displayed psychoactive characteristics.
I didn't mean to dismiss indica genetics. I wonder if the psychoactive effects are the same though. The only (mild) psychoactive effects I have experienced are from sativas and somehow I don't think I could get them from an indica. I may be mistaken though.
On another note, I have been going through the 'Question for Sam the Skunkman on Original haze' thread, as I am sure many of you did. Apparently only a small percentage of phenos are very psychoactive, and this characteristic doesn't breed true. I find that rather discouraging, because that means it won't be possible to get a consistently psychedelic haze strain
Is there any reason to suppose other genetics can do better?
