The Search for Trip Weed

[satva]

dubi's Ace Seeds notes on Zacatecas Purple, the sativa noted in Big Sur Holy Weed
I have heard from mexican friends that Zacatecas grows close to Torreon and it's known as Torreon Violeta, it's suposedly one of the finest mexican varieties

Torreon is north of the Tropic of Cancer and supposedly an IBL from a high mountain valley of the Sierra Madre Occidental Mountain Range. My thought is the leaf structure from Zacatecas marijuana originating from this highland region of Central Mexico would be a medium to medium/thin leaf, certainly not a thin leave structure like an equatorial sativa from Colombia or Thailand. Crossing Zacatecas with Afghani and backcrossing again to Afghani would make it difficult to identify or isolate the Zacatecas based on leaf structure, although Zacatecas growth / branching characteristics and high should be sativa dominate. How does Afghani respond to topping by branching out in every direction like a Colombian, Thailand or Mexican sativa.

Highland Mexican females grow long branches and topping a couple of times creates a plant structure with 8 -10 main colas, instead of just one. Will an Afghani dominate plant form 8 - 10 main colas from topping twice?

 

[Dave Coulier]

One Thai Down

One Thai Down

Well it finally came to it, I had to cut down my faster and chunkier Thai plant due to too many nanners popping up. She made it to 112 days from seed before coming down. Its a shame as she was the healthier of the two by a mile. But, I did decide to retain some lower growth and moved the plant into my veg room to re-veg, and she's somewhere in the middle of the process. I even managed to get a shoot to root, so I have a clone to play around with as well. Fun times ahead.

Ill keep the plant around so I can further refine my nutrient profile for these plants and try to do it better next go around. Ive already learned they do not appreciate large swings in ppm levels in the soil solution. Low to High, High to low, It doesn't matter. The plants will respond with crazy lush growth, or rapid loss of yellowing fan leaves and curled brown tips. Whomever attempts the GN Thai Stick should try to maintain nutrient levels at a constant value to make their life much easier. Now to figure out just what that value is.

An update wouldn't be much without pictures, so without further ado..Also more in the photo album as well.

 

[red rider]

Purple Corinto

Purple Corinto

Hi ThaiBliss! I found a Colombian Corinto that is pretty trippy. The bud itself is good and potent but I made some super QWISO to concentrate it and wow. The oil is much stronger and I "tripped" out over a ballpoint pen for about 15 minutes. It really amazed me how the pen was able to transfer ink to the paper and be instantly dry. The oil seems to bring complexity to even the most un noticed things. Add in a humorous filter on everything and this Corinto is trippy. Here's a picture.

Colombian Purple Corinto

I love this thread!


red rider

 

[ThaiBliss]

Dave - Thanks for the update. Thai plants are the best example of difficult to grow pure Sativa strains. Most Haze strains sold today are 12.5% to 25% Indica, which makes them much easier to grow than a pure Sativa. You've tackled THE most finicky Sativa of them all. Kudos to your grow and the general direction of your conclusions from it.

I'd like to know how many hours of dark are your Thai plants exposed to every day. How many weeks has it been since you started flowering. This "healthy" one seems pretty close to being done. It seems surprisingly quick to me, but I have not kept track.

You know what is coming from me... right? See my signature. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with yellowing old fan leaves. Your plan of finding something in between the super green that you have now, and the yellowing fan leaves is a step in the right direction. You'll come around if you keep trying to grow this Thai plant over and over again. I hope the smoke comes out good enough to make you want to keep growing it.


Yellowing Fan Leaves:

Red Rider - Save those seeds man! I know you will, and grow them beautifully in the perfect climate in Colombia where they were bred in. How does the high compare to the Coastal Green (also purple) that I think is the most beautiful plants you have grown, as far as you can remember?

Thanks for posting those insanely gorgeous Corinto buds here on this thread. Your Vintage Colombian thread is great. I recommend any who has an interest in Sativas, Trip Weed, or Colombian weed to subscribe.

ThaiBliss

 

[Dave Coulier]

Dave - Thanks for the update. Thai plants are the best example of difficult to grow pure Sativa strains. Most Haze strains sold today are 12.5% to 25% Indica, which makes them much easier to grow than a pure Sativa. You've tackled THE most finicky Sativa of them all. Kudos to your grow and the general direction of your conclusions from it.

I'd like to know how many hours of dark are your Thai plants exposed to every day. How many weeks has it been since you started flowering. This "healthy" one seems pretty close to being done. It seems surprisingly quick to me, but I have not kept track.

You know what is coming from me... right? See my signature. IMHO, there is nothing wrong with yellowing old fan leaves. Your plan of finding something in between the super green that you have now, and the yellowing fan leaves is a step in the right direction. You'll come around if you keep trying to grow this Thai plant over and over again. I hope the smoke comes out good enough to make you want to keep growing it.


Yellowing Fan Leaves:


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Red Rider - Save those seeds man! I know you will, and grow them beautifully in the perfect climate in Colombia where they were bred in. How does the high compare to the Coastal Green (also purple) that I think is the most beautiful plants you have grown, as far as you can remember?

Thanks for posting those insanely gorgeous Corinto buds here on this thread. Your Vintage Colombian thread is great. I recommend any who has an interest in Sativas, Trip Weed, or Colombian weed to subscribe.

ThaiBliss

You're not joking about the difference between haze hybrids and pure thai. I thought my experience with haze hybrids would prepare me for the world of thai. Not quite. Finicky is an understatment perhaps. The battle is not over though. My slower flowering one is still going, but she's lost a ton of fan leaves, and has curled brown tips on many remaining leaves. She has at least two more months to go, so Im not doing a great job at this point with her. She's faded far too soon.

Thats what the cutting Im trying to root is for, a second chance. Round two will someday come again. I hope to be better prepared then .

As for the smoke, Ive already consumed it all within a few days. Too early of a harvest to produce anything memorable, but it satiated my habitual smoking at least. As long as the other one doesn't throw any nanners she will be taken to as proper a finish as I can muster.

The one plant pictured was 16 weeks from seed under 12/12 for a few weeks, then switched over to 11.5/12.5. By day 60 the faster one was budding already. So lets say about 7.5 weeks of actual bud growth. Without having experience with Thai, I would estimate 1.5-2 more months to finish. Thoughts on what you've found to be average flowering times?


Your garden is looking exceptional. Nicely bulked up buds with yellowing setting in near the end. Please keep up the updates of them. I think we all enjoy them. :grin:

 

[ThaiBliss]

Those are old grows in the last few years. That beefy budded cabinet picture was my first and best Bangi Haze. I really liked the high from that plant also. My latest grow is just getting started. I'll update in a couple of weeks.

If you don't mind, I'd suggest something closer to 11 hours of light per 24.

Please post a photo of the yellowing Thai. I'm really interested in seeing it.

Thanks,

ThaiBliss

 

[MostlyMe]

Amazingly, I harvested my first three plants already. Only 12 weeks of 11/13! Two of those were Purple Haze Thais that spent their entire lives in <1 liter pots, which I suspect forced them to finish quickly. My other PHT has a bigger pot and is clearly not finished.

PHT purple pheno:

PHT calyx-on-stalk pheno:

The other plant I harvested is the green pheno Double Jam, which started throwing nanners. You can see a couple poking out:

 

[ThaiBliss]

MostlyMe - Those Purple Haze x Thai buds look great. Nice job.

Dave - I think for a pure lowland Thai, 6 months is probably normal. However, as a brand new indoor grower, I swear I grew some seeds from a Thai Stick that got done in the 3 to 4 month range. Other seeds from a Thai Stick, I could not get to finish. My last experience, documented on this thread, went 9 months and was still throwing pistils, but I believe was smelling best at about 6 or 7 months. Thais, a pain in the ass, but some of the best weed when lucky enough to figure them out. I have only had two crops of Thai in my lifetime that smoked like premier weed. I've probably tried a dozen times. If you have ever smoked good Thai, you will be searching for that trip weed for the rest of your life.

ThaiBliss

 

[Madjag]

Does anyone remember the Thai in 1969-1971 that was coated with white? It was sold as opiated Thai Sticks in Denver where I was living at the time.

It just about made a man nod...

 

[ThaiBliss]

Does anyone remember the Thai in 1969-1971 that was coated with white? It was sold as opiated Thai Sticks in Denver where I was living at the time.

It just about made a man nod...

I think that was just before I ever smoked Thai Stick. I believe '72 might have been the earliest I ever smoked it. If it was white, it was probably heroin. It was not needed! Pure Thai weed was strong enough. The most psychoactive product even compared to weed laced with PCP. I can't believe I tried that shit. Stupid, ignorant, young, and trying everything.

I do remember smoking "opiated" hash at around that time, also probably heroin, so I don't doubt people put it on Thai Sticks. It seemed to be a fad back then.

I actually have fond memories of trying all that crazy shit. But a friend also died injecting heroin, another drowned swimming in a pond while doing Quaaludes, so definitely tragic times also.

Alcohol is the most dangerous drug I still do. Weed is the safest, next to coffee.

ThaiBliss

 

[Dave Coulier]

MostlyMe - Those Purple Haze x Thai buds look great. Nice job.

Dave - I think for a pure lowland Thai, 6 months is probably normal. However, as a brand new indoor grower, I swear I grew some seeds from a Thai Stick that got done in the 3 to 4 month range. Other seeds from a Thai Stick, I could not get to finish. My last experience, documented on this thread, went 9 months and was still throwing pistils, but I believe was smelling best at about 6 or 7 months. Thais, a pain in the ass, but some of the best weed when lucky enough to figure them out. I have only had two crops of Thai in my lifetime that smoked like premier weed. I've probably tried a dozen times. If you have ever smoked good Thai, you will be searching for that trip weed for the rest of your life.

ThaiBliss

Thanks for the info on the thais. I hope to put it to use the next time around. I think Ill switch over to the 11/13 you recommend. My ac is down atm so that would make perfectly good sense. I hope I dont have to wait 9 months, but I can handle 6 months.

I think the issue with the remaining one is she has encountered root problems. Even when nutrient levels were sufficient to maintain leaves she was still shedding them. Im gonna treat her roots with some biofungicide and see how she does.

Ill try to snap some pics of her tonight. Maybe have them up in a day or two.

 

[makedon]

i had a trip in 2004 at 'kho chang',the weed there was something very special,kinda tripy.
i must go one more,to do a bean colection

 

[Riddleme]

Well Thai, I understand now why you said I would like the Zamaldelica, she is showing amber in week 4

1st pic Zamaldelica, 2nd pic is the Komaoni land race
.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Well Thai, I understand now why you said I would like the Zamaldelica, she is showing amber in week 4

1st pic Zamaldelica, 2nd pic is the Komaoni land race
.

Hi Riddleme,

Would it be possible to use your electronic scope to take a close up picture of the 4 week early amber in your Zamaldelica and post it on this thread? I think it would be of great interest.

Glad to hear/see that your crop is looking so good.


ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Now that I enlarge your attached picture, I see that it is obvious.

Not sure I see that under my lighting scheme. I think your added UV lighting must be causing this, like you've been telling us over and over.


I'm definitely going to get me added UV in my next iteration of my grow cabinet design.

Hope you find a special, especially euphoric, Zamaldelica.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge,

ThaiBliss

 

[Riddleme]

Hi Riddleme,

Would it be possible to use your electronic scope to take a close up picture of the 4 week early amber in your Zamaldelica and post it on this thread? I think it would be of great interest.

Glad to hear/see that your crop is looking so good.


ThaiBliss

Here ya go

 

[Riddleme]

Now that I enlarge your attached picture, I see that it is obvious.

Not sure I see that under my lighting scheme. I think your added UV lighting must be causing this, like you've been telling us over and over.


I'm definitely going to get me added UV in my next iteration of my grow cabinet design.

Hope you find a special, especially euphoric, Zamaldelica.

Thanks for sharing your knowledge,

ThaiBliss

Well I just share what I learn, and I don't care to argue as I know it is very different. There are however seveal growers that have switched to T5's all reporting similar successes

 

[ThaiBliss]

Beautiful! Thanks so much.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Ultra Viotet Lamps

Ultra Viotet Lamps

Greetings,

Since the search for trip weed is not only genetics, but environment also, I thought I would share some information found about ultra violet radiation from metal halide and mercury vapor HID lamps:

"Ultraviolet Radiation Burns from High Intensity Metal Halide and Mercury Vapor Lighting Remain a Public Health Concern"

"Background"

"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently learned that more than 100 people were exposed to short-wave UV radiation from a broken mercury vapor light bulb at a high school gym. Eighteen people went to the hospital with severe eye and skin burns. Personnel investigating the event confirmed that a broken, non self-extinguishing "R" type metal halide bulb caused the injuries."

"Similar incidents have been reported in the past involving “R” type light bulbs installed in open and wire grid fixtures. Most injuries have occurred inside school gyms, after the light bulbs were struck and partially broken by balls or other sports equipment."

Source:
http://www.fda.gov/Radiation-EmittingProducts/RadiationSafety/AlertsandNotices/ucm116540.htm

This supports my memory that HID lamps produce huge amounts of UV light, which is filtered by the outer glass shield. When these shields are broken, people get severe burns even when the lamps are 30 feet high mounted on the ceiling of a gymnasium. That proves that the UV light is so strong, it would penetrate deep into a plant canopy.

What we need the manufacturers to do is to produce a glass shield that is only partially filtering the UV light.


ThaiBliss

 

[Shooters]

Yellow leaf Zamaldelica at 14 weeks flower, extremely potent scissor hash has me anticipating the cured buds... damn I hate waiting for buds to cure...