The Search for Trip Weed

[MostlyMe]

Your Blue Dream looks damn fine, but that doesn't prove it's the UV. Could be your green fingers, genetics, could be lots of things! Wouldn't you consider putting some sort of divider - cardboard would be fine - in your room for a side by side experiment at some point? Same room, same clones, except one side UV and one not. It's not that hard and it would be very convincing proof, could make you a legend in the scene!

No need to go over the scientific papers again here, that was covered in the thread I mentioned. Have a looksy, people like spurr and knna really know what they are talking about. Post #169 in there has some key papers as attachments.

The reading you mentioned, 480 uw/m2, is a reading of what? At a certain wavelength? A UV index?

 

[Riddleme]

Your Blue Dream looks damn fine, but that doesn't prove it's the UV. Could be your green fingers, genetics, could be lots of things! Wouldn't you consider putting some sort of divider - cardboard would be fine - in your room for a side by side experiment at some point? Same room, same clones, except one side UV and one not. It's not that hard and it would be very convincing proof, could make you a legend in the scene!

No need to go over the scientific papers again here, that was covered in the thread I mentioned. Have a looksy, people like spurr and knna really know what they are talking about. Post #169 in there has some key papers as attachments.

The reading you mentioned, 480 uw/m2, is a reading of what? At a certain wavelength? A UV index?

It was a UV meter, so I assume it was the whole UV index/spectrum. It wasn't me that did the test.

And there truly is no point in another side by side. I've had UV in my garden over a year now, while it is true I'm still tweakin things it is very plain that it was/is these bulbs that make/made the difference.

Not to mention the whole early/true amber thing which NEVER happened until I added UV and now happens all the time.

I also just harvested some Namaste which is my strain and I have grown it for over a year and I have buds grown without UV still in the jars. The difference in the smoke/high is very distinct

While I humbly disagree, there are already many that have told me I'm a legend in the scene, it is not my goal, I am merely sharing my experiments to help others have better herb. And I guess it's true, I have a green thumb and can grow the shit outta this plant but the guy I got the Blue Dream clone from has already told me he has never seen what I'm gettin before and he has been growin it for over a year.

On a lighter note ,,,,,,,,,
ThaiBliss here is a land race Komaoni showin female this morning (the other one showed male, so beans will be made)

 

[BoldAsLove]

installing a light that has UVB but also an amount of UVA that 100x the natural amount, might be counterproductive.

Yeah it sure might be, I guess that's why I checked out the spectrums of my bulbs before I bought them. They're actually lacking in UVA light. I decided to go this route simply on the tip from knna.

Who is installing a light with UVA 100x the sun? Maybe you should buy a meter and rent it out to growers.

 

[pinkus]

Not to mention the whole early/true amber thing which NEVER happened until I added UV and now happens all the time.

makes total sense since UV degrades molecules very very quickly and the amber is from degraded products. I'm guessing tent life would also be decreased if you were in tent.

UV causes degradation of DNA through formation of thymine dimers. That's across all species

 

[Riddleme]

makes total sense since UV degrades molecules very very quickly and the amber is from degraded products. I'm guessing tent life would also be decreased if you were in tent.

UV causes degradation of DNA through formation of thymine dimers. That's across all species

Sorry to disappoint, but the notion that amber is a sign of degrading THC is not always true. My amber buds have been tested and NO % of CBN was seen though they did have 25% THC and 5% CBD

They turn amber early, I see em in week 4 & 5 mostly when they are startin to degrade they turn red, and once degraded they turn black. The Cannibanoid profile is very different with proper amounts of UV

 

[Pwyll]

People - Please don't cross disparate styles of weed. This has been the dominate recipe for 40 years. We are awash in the results of this technique. The result has become bland to my tastes.

ThaiBliss

Thai - Agree completely.

I understand why someone might say "this weed is too speedy I need to slow it down a little".

But if I want sweet coffee I don't look for a sweet coffee bean I just add sugar to my cup.

Anyone have thoughts on the difference between crossing a Haze and a Kush versus mixing up the herb in the bowl?

 

[pinkus]

LOL. I'm not disappointed I'm just quoting what is known. The amber may be something besides degradation, but UV is a very very effective wavelength at degrading DNA, hence all living things are to some extent damaged by UV rays.

Some of ya'll want magic, none of this is magic beyond the magic of life itself. There are real mechanisms that control the processes. I think UV may play a role in trip weed...but it CERTAINLY degrades living and non-living materials.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Riddleme,

Excellent posts of the abstracts from the UV light studies. Thanks for posting them here. It would be very interesting to know about what strains they used. I am no doubt convinced that adding UV and bluer light sources in general would help the quality of my grows. I also have no doubt that a combination of HPS and MH alone are sufficient for some strains. I've been mixing HPS and MH for 30 years, and I have recently been looking at LED, Plasma, or Mercury vapor to make a three, or more, blend. My first HID grow with Mercury vapor alone was successful for quality. But I soon discovered that neither Mercury nor Metal Halide were as efficient as HPS for light intensity and productivity with regards to weight which is why I have always used some of that. I have never used HPS by itself. Call it intuition, but I always thought product from people who did use HPS alone seemed lacking in intensity of effect, and I linked the two observations together. It is my understanding that HID lamps do produce strong ultraviolet light, but it is specifically filtered/shielded by the type of glass used in the bulbs. We need manufactures to produce better bulbs for us. If my understanding is correct, this would be an easy fix by the companies involved. We have to demand it.

I disagree with the amber color alone being a sign of degradation of THC. Perhaps this is simply a perception of what amber is. I would say that strains that are clear, transparent piss yellow, or transparent amber early on and then turn opaque, then this may coincide with THC degradation. But that is something different all together. When these colors exist, but are still somewhat transparent, then everything is cool. When they go opaque, then I start thinking of harvest, as long as the vast majority of pistils are dying or dead. I have noticed that most, but not all, of the best strains I have grown have some color to the resin long before I, or anyone else, would consider them ripe. Most often this is a piss yellow, but I've seen amber and copper colors. Once again, no hard fast rules. I would never cull plants based on resin color without testing first. And by testing, I mean smoking it. Life would be much simpler with a easy test, but my experiences never seem to perfectly coincide with rules that people dream up.

Glad you are preserving those Komaoni genes.

ThaiBliss

 

[yoss33]

Amber is a sign of degradation not of cannabinoids (which are more stable) but of terpenes, which polymerize easily.

 

[Riddleme]

Amber is a sign of degradation not of cannabinoids (which are more stable) but of terpenes, which polymerize easily.

Not in the report that started the whole amber is bad thing ,,,

http://www.hempreport.com/issues/17/malbody17.html

and the most ironic thing is they used the word brown, not amber

b. Effect of gland age on cannabinoid content
We also examined cannabinoid content of stalked gland by age to measure the major cannabinoid components in both a fiber and drug strain (Table 2). Glands, viewed under a microscope, can be classified according to their secretory phases from the color of their contents. Glands most active in secretion (mature) are translucent in appearance, aged glands are yellow in appearance and senescent glands are brown in color. Mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid in both the fiber and drug strains. Senescent glands possessed low levels of cannabinoids. The concentration of some components, as CBD in the drug strains, may be so low that is was not detectable in our analysis; similarly, for THC and CBN in the fiber strain. It is unknown where the cannabinoids go during the aging process, but we suggest that it is possible they volatilize into the atmosphere along with the terpenes in glands, as noted later in this report. Nevertheless, this phenomenon of altered content in glands during aging is one that should be studied to gain a more complete understanding of the secretory process of cannabinoids in the cell.

 

[Siever]

It even degrades plastic

 

[Thule]

What is it exactly that makes those T5's so good? Do they all emit UV or do you use different bulbs?

One thing we know about cannabis is that stressing the plant tends to produce better bud, maybe it also ties in with UVB.

 

[MostlyMe]

And there truly is no point in another side by side.

Yeah it sure might be, I guess that's why I checked out the spectrums of my bulbs before I bought them. They're actually lacking in UVA light. I decided to go this route simply on the tip from knna.

Who is installing a light with UVA 100x the sun? Maybe you should buy a meter and rent it out to growers.

100x was an exaggeration, but my impression is that a lot of lamps don't come close to mimicking the sun in the ratio of UVA:UVB they deliver.

What I should do is buy a place that allows me to build a proper grow room and do the experiments myself. Not really an option right now, but it will be at some point.

Some of ya'll want magic, none of this is magic beyond the magic of life itself.

That's the problem when working with stoners. Damn hippies!

 

[Riddleme]

What is it exactly that makes those T5's so good? Do they all emit UV or do you use different bulbs?

One thing we know about cannabis is that stressing the plant tends to produce better bud, maybe it also ties in with UVB.

I use,

3 ATI True Actinics (for UV)
6 GE 4100K's (for red)
9 ATI Coral Plus (for deep blue)

 

[sdd420]

I read somewhere the Amber trichs just mean maturity not degradation like it was previously thought. Of course being stoned can't remember where maybe UC Davis study ? And has any one seen purple trichs? Peace sdd

 

[MostlyMe]

I use,

3 ATI True Actinics (for UV)
6 GE 4100K's (for red)
9 ATI Coral Plus (for deep blue)

Am I overlooking something or are those Actinics emitting no UVB at all?

 

[Riddleme]

I read somewhere the Amber trichs just mean maturity not degradation like it was previously thought. Of course being stoned can't remember where maybe UC Davis study ? And has any one seen purple trichs? Peace sdd

Yeppers

 

[Riddleme]

Am I overlooking something or are those Actinics emitting no UVB at all?

according to the spectrum chart on their site ,,,,,, no

 

[MostlyMe]

according to the spectrum chart on their site ,,,,,, no

So basically you installed a couple of lights that emit deep blue light and a little UV (basically glorified blue actually) and then claim the UV is what makes all the difference.

 

[Riddleme]

So basically you installed a couple of lights that emit deep blue light and a little UV (basically glorified blue actually) and then claim the UV is what makes all the difference.

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Really don't know why you wanna debunk me, I'm not tellin "you" to go buy T5's and IMO the meme pics are not worthy of this thread whether it's a sticky or not.

I did a grow without the UV bulbs, I took clones from the same plants and grew em with the UV bulbs. The difference in the effects of the high were beyond telling. Several people smoked the buds and agreed.

Since then I have tweaked a few things and the pot just keeps gettin better. And since then several growers have either changed to T5's or added em as side lighting and reported the same effects. One grower is doing several side by sides with clones from the same plants under T5's (same bulbs as I use) and HPS and CMH. He has thus far harvested 2 of em and has one still going. With the 2 harvested he has reported that the yield from the HPS is higher (to be expected) and that the high (effects) are better with the T5's. The yield and high from the CMH's was in the middle, little lower yield than HPS, better than T5. T5's still had the better high. I could prolly get him to come here and discuss if you like (he is a member of my forum)

Or you could, like many others have, come for a visit and smoke a bud with me

It seems you want some empirical scientific study done by a lab before you believe what I have said and what has been verified by several others? It works as stated and I'm enjoyin the buzz

What you do with the shared info is totally up to you, but TB asked me to post here and I have and in doing so have not once ever said to anyone that they need to grow like I do.