The Search for Trip Weed

[BoldAsLove]

yoss- thanks! I love the complexity of these highs. They're not the typical one trick ponies, that's for sure. Great point on the anxiety, I too have felt that from a couple haze hybrids. You're right, no paranoia, no anxiety with these pure plants. Although I think Charlie did a smart thing by removing those types of plants from the original lot they received--I think he reported there were some that were like that. Music has been a big part of my life for quite a while, and it's great to experience plants that can take that to new, exciting places

MostlyMe- big jars I've also heard some people getting good results by compressing in something where you can get almost all the air out, like a syringe. I think that might be more like doing a cob fermentation, but I'd like to try it at some point.

Mustafunk- thank man! I agree, the buds definitely aren't bigger, but they smell and feel great!

ThaiBliss- I plan on it. Even though this last top bud of #5 is a temptress

Thule- I've heard no THC improvement too, and that could very well be true. I think it's in the terpene profile, but that's just a guess from smelling and smoking different buds. I know Sam has said in the past that there was no improvement in a greenhouse, but I have to wonder if it doesn't make a much bigger impact indoors under much less natural main lighting sources.

 

[Koondense]

I also do leds for tropical strains indoors and I really love it. I think they are much more suitable than HPS lamps because the great possibilities in the full spectrum and best efficiency on the latest chips.

Ahoy Mustafunk,
what kind of leds do you use indoor? Combined specrtum leds(red, blue,..) or just white(cool,warm) leds?

Cheers

 

[Siever]

I find the UV thing interesting, but as far as I know it's not proven by any scientific studies. No increase in THC levels has been found in tests so the changes in the qualities of the resin must occur in the terpene profile. Od bud certainly smells different to indoor, the light also plays a big role. I vouch for CFLs for growing sativas, blue spectrum too. I seldom see people using big, 125-250w fluoros on the boards but ime nothing nails a stretchy sativa like these babies do. They emit UV light as well, any idea if it's significant enough? The damn thing does tend to give me a headache if I spend too much time close to it..

Be carefull for your eyes if they emit UV light!! No joke. B.T.W. a year or so back there was UV or not thread on this forum (which forum else?) and I did some research. What I found was that UV light does nothing or very little good plants. Of course, I'm no scientist, so I don't dare to say that I'm right.

Siever

 

[HatchBrew]

Khmer Gold from seed, starting to smell of lemon.

 

[Madjag]

ThaiBliss,

What a nice thread. Potency, with all of it's various descriptors, is a topic that never ends. Fantastical arguments around the world have been its focus as well.

The following article that I wrote concerning the most potent weed that I've ever smoked was also posted in another thread, but I felt it had a place here as well. It may speak primarily to knock-out, narcotic potency that is more in the vein of the Indica couchlock legacy, however it pertains to a Colombian Sativa cultivar, not Indica, that I smoked and had the good fortune to experience many times over the 2 year period that it was available in the USA.

This Sativa was probably the original "Wacky Weed", a term rarely discussed or heard of since. My source, a good Colombian friend who had a connection with super stash growers in rural Colombia, lived in the US for 8 years starting in 1971. The herb was nicknamed "Candybar" for its characteristic 1 oz., compressed form, neatly wrapped in aluminum foil and Saran wrap, looking like a "Chunky" candybar or something similar. It wasn't named for its taste either. Many times people would think my firend Gerardo (Johnnie) was rolling a joint of hash because of the compressed hardness of the black resin that required use of a razor blade to cut off enough for a pin joint or New York Needle as his Queens' friends in the Colombo neighborhoods liked to call it.

The trippiest weed I've smoked in terms of its vicinity to an acid trip was "Cartoon Weed" in Denver in 1969. I don't know where it was from and it was only available one time from our source back then. In addition to my description of it in my story I can also add that it was insanely fun to get newbie smokers high on it and watch them wet their pants in laughter......a type of frozen laughter that paralyzed them from outright physical movement, allowing only spasms of laughter and tears of joy while they lost their shit. Like a good acid trip effect without any negative tripping effects.

The most devastating herb I have ever toked was a true, landrace Colombian Wacky Weed was known to me as "Candybar". It showed up three or four times a year via Brooklyn, New York to Phoenix, Arizona. The only person in America getting it was my good Colombian friend Gerardo. His source was an old-time grower from Neiva, Colombia, land of the Colombian Blacks that ranged from a shady chocolate color to a rich tar coloration.

Candybar came so black and compacted in one ounce "bars" that it looked like hash and had very little if any apparent leaf or vegetable matter. It was tightly sealed in aluminum foil with an outer wrapping of Saran Wrap. The few people who were lucky enough to examine it up close were like, “WTF?” because it couldn’t be just plain weed. Not coming like that. What these lookers didn’t know, though, was the true surprise that the source of this smoke was handful of female plants that were not annuals. These mother plants were many years old and treasured by the few, rare individuals that had access to the herb they produced. Though I've never seen photos of multi-year plants from Colombia, my friend RCC sent me photos of a Thai tree with a sturdy trunk slightly larger in diameter than your forearm, with average height of approx. 16-18 feet. Standing alone along an agricultural field's wooded edge, a single plant looked very similar to a small stand of bamboo. It doesn’t necessarily mean a lack of vigor at the Equator when a plant grows beyond a year….or five.

One toke from a New York needle pin joint of Candybar was enough to send people falling down staircases, to start spinning so hard that they vomited, and to even lose their balance like my best friend who immediately passed out, fell forward into a brick wall, smashed his eyeglasses, and hit the cement - all before we could move from the same instantaneous freeze and time-stoppage induced by the one, hard-to-pull-from-the-pin joint hit that we each inhaled.

The time period helped the high. In 1974 when Candybar was selling for $100.00 an ounce in Phoenix, an outrageous price for those early days, very few people has smoked decent sinsemilla or had ever tasted this kind of highest quality, professional Colombian grower's personal stash weed. Peter, AKA Johnnie, and actually Gerardo, had people driving down 3 hours in the dark of night from Flagstaff just to grab one of the 3-5 bars being sold shortly after it arrived in Phoenix. Many were disappointed due to its absolute rarity and the general impossibility of getting even a 1/8 of an ounce, ever. Folks laughed when they heard about it. They just couldn’t relate without the experience. They had no reference point that was comparable. I’m sure many of the farmer bros out there reading this account can remember their first space dream and total wipeout.

He had tales of heavy intoxication from wherever he roamed. In Redway and Shelter Cove in Northern Cali he told me of sitting in the pitch-black Redwood forest on a summer night and listening to insect, animal, and sounds from "The Standing People" (trees). Yeah, sitting for 4 hours without barely moving. Now that's some zone. What territory.

Other times there were humorous stories of leaving pin joints in public places and following/watching the poor mental-patients-to-be as they blasted off instantly and lost their grip on the way. Much like the best highland Thai or other southeast Asian smoke that exhibited a SAM (Surface To Assassinated) missile speed. Victims who later swore that they had smoked herb spiked with LSD. Today, looking back, I'd compare it to a DMT blast, though not quite as psychedelic as a stunning combination of extremely high THC accompanied instantly by a wave or windblast of an even more intense CBD spin. And spin they did.

In the stashed Rasta section of Brooklyn’s Bed Stuy, Peter watched helplessly (yep, frozen in time) while a friend's girl tumbled down an entire wooden flight of Brownstone stairs. Once they could break free of Candybar's Tractor Beam they spent awhile tending to yet another casualty.

I remember several occasions when hipsters asked Johnnie what type of hash he was preparing. He used a razor blade to slice chunks or slices from the candy. Imagine, for you that can relate to what a “Chunky” candy bar was (is?), that you took two Chunky bars and lined them up touching, side-by-side. That was the general shape except it was not quite as thick. It smelled of warm dark humus, an earthy cannabis with a hint of fruit.

I never, ever smoked more than one hit at a time once I experienced the time-warp of 5 hours disappearing from a couple-three thin hits from a Ney York Needle pin joint. I laid wasted on the banks of Sycamore Canyon’s swim hole just below Laurie’s Cave wondering who I really was and when was I going to be able to, hey hey, think again. Only a few like Gerardo, George B., and Rob T. were perpetually motivated by Candybar and took off hiking for hours or drove a tractor in 100 degree heat all day under its spell. For most like myself it was paralyzing.

Second place (oh yes) goes to “Cartoon Weed”. Whatever it was, it was extremely predictable and intensely stony in its effects: you will be somewhere, probably in public, most likely in a place that you wish you weren’t, and totally lose it, laughing ridiculously until you cried. The release was enough to make some piss their pants, oh man.

I like that smoke a lot, too. It made life’s dream a magic, funny, shadow show.


As you might know, I was gifted with some of Gypsy Nirvana's early Zamal genetics (circa 2000) by an ICMag member sending me some of Gerrit Slot's Magus Genetics Warlock cross strains: 2008 Masibindi (Zamal A x Warlock) and 2005 (Zamal B x Warlock) x Warlock.

Pulling the Zamal out isn't my only option though I'm working on that, too. primarily I'm going for the Skunk#1 or Hazish fusion possibilities from the new hybrid I did with MNS Critical Mass F2s, a gift another member.

CM has quite a bit of Skunk#1 which was a cross of two Sativas (Colombian and Mexican) along with one Afghani Indica. Id like to find the pheno exhibiting the most Sativa and go from there. Zamal x Skunk#1 sounds good to me.....

Just for fun and the bizarre thought of creating a "new" Haze, I dusted one branch of the CM x Masibindi (Zamal A x Warlock) with a bit of Eldorado, Nirvana's supposed 10th generation Oaxacan legend. Hahaha, every has a legendary smoke somewhere, eh? Perhaps a killer smoke will evolve.

There are some SOA (Seeds of Africa) Malawi phenos lurking about that seasoned growers swear by as the most psychedelic high that they've ever experienced. Check with idiit for more info. He's been busy....

 

[Raco]

Hola amigos

Cool post Madjag...I love it

Good to see you around btw

I love this thread

 

[satva]

I'd love to hear guesses about the genetics, or notes on other genetics with an effect similar to BoldAsLoves Old Timers Haze #7 pheno. I'm guessing MostlyMe's Ace Seeds -Double Thai might be a contender for joyful /blissful effect. For me one of the long flowering hazes in Mango Haze is similar. One of the Haze parents in Mango Haze is perhaps Colombian and this Haze expression perhaps South East Asian. Vaporization smells of Guava / Lemon. Destroyer phenos in early cure have that sage/spice/ maybe leather smell in the jar. Destroyer x Guava/Lemon Mango Haze pheno, might jazz it up. Koh Chong Thai x Destroyer and or Koh Chong Thai x Guava/Lemon Mango Haze is another thought.

Any other notes on genetics with an effect similar to BoldASLove's wonderful description of Old Timer's Haze #7 pheno?

PS> I store freshly harvested 10" stems in tall glass jars and after 3 -4 months, when the stems are completely brittle, I remove the flowers and re-jar in smaller 16 ounce glass jars.

 

[Pwyll]

The "trippy" I am seeking is more cocaine than opium, more ecstasy than peyote, more dance than trance.

It seems that several on this thread also show a preference for the cocaine end of trippy rather than the opium influence.

With this in mind.

I was chatting with a very experienced professional grower about Neville's haze - Greenhouse seeds version. Lamenting that my grow situation precludes a four month flower time. He suggested that a 10 week flower might give me the product I want.

Any thoughts? Anyone have experience chopping a plant 5-6 weeks earlier than the breeder suggests?

 

[satva]

Chimera's Highland Mexican will get you dancing, in no time!

PS> Cannabiogen's Destroyer at 13 weeks is exhilarating, better for me harvested at 14 - 16 weeks. About + 2 -3 weeks longer than CBG recommendation.

PPS> For me, Destroyer is about as sativa as I need to be. Highland Mexican may benefit from Destroyers exhilaration, if you know what I mean.

PPPS> ThaiBliss's notes on Cannabiogen's Bangi Haze seems more appropriate than taking Neville's haze 5 -6 weeks early.

 

[Siever]

The "trippy" I am seeking is more cocaine than opium, more ecstasy than peyote, more dance than trance.

It seems that several on this thread also show a preference for the cocaine end of trippy rather than the opium influence.

With this in mind.

I was chatting with a very experienced professional grower about Neville's haze - Greenhouse seeds version. Lamenting that my grow situation precludes a four month flower time. He suggested that a 10 week flower might give me the product I want.

Any thoughts? Anyone have experience chopping a plant 5-6 weeks earlier than the breeder suggests?

Isn't that supposed to be: a professional liar from greenhouse seeds? Who were you talking to? Franco? IMO he's disgusting. Watch the video's from strainhunters and you'll know enough.
B.T.W. the effect of opium and opiates is called sedative, of cocaine stimulating. Of course L.S.D. can stimulate as well but that is together with sound and vision enhancement most of the time. if you want a stimulating strain of cannabis I'd suggest Ace seeds Oldtimer haze & variants or CBG Destroyer although I have no experience with Destroyer. CBG Ghana is said to be trippy as well, but you should ask Waldgeist the great grower to be sure.

Siever

 

[Pwyll]

no I am talking about a respected grower/consultant - former dispensary owner in Colorado mountain west.

 

[Siever]

Not the Amsterdam headquarters then. Still there much better companies

 

[Siever]

Please don't get me wrong I just don't like 'em. There are a lot of people who don't like 'em. By no means I want to insult you.

Kind regards

 

[Pwyll]

no - but I think it was Franco in the grow video saying that the plant needed 4 months flower to get the most potential.

 

[satva]

Chimera's Highland Mexican will get you dancing, in no time!

PS> Cannabiogen's Destroyer at 13 weeks is exhilarating, better for me harvested at 14 - 16 weeks. About + 2 -3 weeks longer than CBG recommendation.

PPS> For me, Destroyer is about as sativa as I need to be. Highland Mexican may benefit from Destroyers exhilaration, if you know what I mean.

PPPS> ThaiBliss's notes on Cannabiogen's Bangi Haze seems more appropriate than taking Neville's haze 5 -6 weeks early.

PPPPS> I've grown Mango Haze for years, and unless you are willing to cull, lots and lots of plants and select for the ultra long flowering pheno-types + 17 weeks for Mango Haze and perhaps + 18 - 19 weeks for Neville's Haze. Highland Mexican and Destroyer are, in my opinion, a step or two above Mango Haze.

The interesting aspect of Mango Haze is Shantibaba claims his seeds are made F1, so a full range of phenotypes can be found from Afghani 9 weeks of flowering to Haze-ish + 18 weeks of flower. That said, I believe, Charlie Gracia's, Destroyer noted the Meao Thai as ~ f7, prior to Mr. Klean's family heritage in 2003. Charlie Garia is one of the best at selecting and stabilizing characteristics of phenotypes with connoisseur effect.

I'm amazed at the range of phenotypes BoldASLove found in 11 females of Old Timers haze, I had no idea....

 

[Pwyll]

No offense taken. I understand that Green House seeds is not the most respected seed company. The only reason I landed on that is that it was the only feminized version of Neville's haze available for single seed purchase at Herbies seeds. To broaden the question:

1. the breeder of a seed advises a 15 week flower.
2. You want a racy sativa.

how many weeks into flower would you start to sample it for harvest?

 

[MostlyMe]

Pwyll, in my experience early samples are often very energizing and racy. But those samples are dried quick and dirty, and then smoked. I don't know how an early harvested crop would develop/cure. Perhaps it will lose power very quickly.

I agree with Satva: try something shorter-flowering. Bangi is excellent, you could swear it's a long-flowering haze.

 

[Siever]

Pwyll,

Thank you very much for understanding what I wanted to say. For a racy Sativa I'd check Ace seeds or Cannabiogen, perhaps Kali Mist from Serious seeds.
I wish you a lot of luck with your quest.

Peace out,

Siever

 

[Pwyll]

Siever - yes Kali Mist was my first choice - grown 6 seeds - really didn't work out as well as I'd hoped. I just grow 6 plants a year. Two will be kali mist, and then four haze's. But they must be feminized, and stable. Also must be available through Herbies pick and mix as I have a credit there. They don't have Bangi.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Note to self:

Turned cabinet back to 12/12 light schedule today.

I usually up-pot plants a week or more ahead of putting them in the flowering cabinet, but due to the Jamaican revealing itself as male, I scrambled to create a pot with three cuttings in it, Headband; Sage x Purple Haze Thai; SAGE. They were all a bit undersized and looked a little rough for the first days after transplant, so I gave them 16 hours light and 8 hours dark till they recovered and filled it a bit. They are ready now.

Headband in the front and left. SAGE x PHT in back left with a branch in the center. SAGE in back right corner. Two male Jamaicans in another pot in the lower right hand corner.

Headband was recommended to me twice when I asked two different people for something with a soaring sativa high. It smells very hashy, but with some herbal type of aroma. Today I'm noticing lemon and menthol smells:

This is the pure SAGE described ad-nausiam in previous posts:

SAGE x Purple Haze Thai:

I finally bought a timer for my veg cabinet. It is adjustable by 15 minute increments. I'm preparing some cuttings to go outdoors this summer, so I'm increasing the dark schedule 15 minutes every 4 days until May 7th to try and match outdoor light schedule conditions. I hope this will prevent them from immediately going into flowering when I move them outdoors.


ThaiBliss