The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

Seems very logic cuz if you harvest too soon, the flowers haven't reached optimal ripeness. If you mean that you've harvested them on optimal ripeness time but didn't let them cure properly: to be honest I have never had the patience to wait such a long time to cure them properly. I just hang them upside down in the attic and let them dry completely were they hang. If I need some I just break it off. I have never been able to see any improvement in time of drying. Of course it's not proper curement.

Siever

I mean harvesting too soon. What I'm trying to say is that I'm not sure that the conditions just during the last two weeks are all that matter. However, I also believe that outdoor is best, but not always necessary. Confusing huh?


Pwyll - My pest concerns are not for the plants that have only a couple of weeks left to mature, but my indoor environment where I keep clones, my next plants in line to flower, etc.. Except for the fact that the best weed I ever smoked in my life being from an indoor grow, I still believe that in general outdoor conditions are most favorable to good weed. Again... confusing huh?

To clarify, or further muddy, while generalizations can be made, we may be making mistakes when we are absolutely sure about a rule that we believe in. Just try lots of things while growing, and learn along the way. That is the most fun. I'm sure you will find that many things you, and others, are absolutely sure about, are not true under all circumstances for all strains.

ThaiBliss

 

[Riddleme]

To specifics then: First - Light spectrum.

Do you feel that for the trippiness - the last month or so of flowering is the most important?

How much of an effect does light spectrum have during this period? I see Riddleme you grow with multiple fluorescents so you can dial in the spectrum.

Does using a mix of HPS/ MH make a big difference vs HPS only, or is it best to switch to all MH in the last couple of weeks?

Also, living up here at 8000' how much advantage is to be gained by moving the plants out into full-spectrum sunlight whenever possible?

Because I breed I am aware that each seed is genetically encoded with its environments information. It is why seeds don't always perform as stated, why clones from seed do better and why seeds you make in your garden do very well in your garden. It is also why I have the same spectrum ratio in veg including UVB that I do in flower.

We all know that the best trippy weed comes from the areas close to the equator, we all know that that is where the highest levels of UV are and yet few if any growers properly supplement UVB in their gardens.

Back in the early 80's a few things happened that changed the world of pot as we knew it (we being old farts that actually remember) HPS lights and Indica hybrids which set the path for profit and changed the cannibanoid profile, also increased the stink which changed peoples perceptions over time. Also pretty much all of the known info that is shared about growing is profit driven info. Some of which is held onto like a religion.

I grow, breed and experiment to improve and enhance the weed, I have zero profit motives. I give pot away, and I share seeds for free. So I am not driven by profit or greed and could care less about yields in my garden. Everything that comes out of it will get you high with one hit and for me that trumps yield

I can also tell you, that every grower that has visited me (and I get a lot of visitors, had 2 last night from 1400 miles away) that has smoked my buds has either added T5's or switched to em. The most recent took down 2 600's and 2 thouies and put up 40 T5's. My 2 visitors last night smoked 1 J of my CTF with me and proclaimed they had never had weed this good. They were in their early 30's. I smiled and said just wait, it hasn't peaked yet, when the cocaine like rush hit, they were like holy shit

But is not just spectrum, it is also about timings (schedule) 12/12 won't cut it for trippy and angle of light and what the plants are fed that add up the bigger picture in the quest for true connoisseur grade cannabis.

While IMO MH plus HPS is better than HPS alone it is still not the proper spectrum for trippy and the sun at most places other than the equator is simply about yield as there is little usable UV. While it is more costly and more difficult to emulate the tropics in our indoor gardens it is what is required if you want truly trippy weed

 

[onefinity]

Riddleme- this is the best post I have seen in quite a while. I applaud your approach. A fitting 1000th post to a great thread. I'll be looking to find pics of your grows!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Back in the early 80's a few things happened that changed the world of pot as we knew it (we being old farts that actually remember) HPS lights and Indica hybrids which set the path for profit and changed the cannibanoid profile, also increased the stink which changed peoples perceptions over time. Also pretty much all of the known info that is shared about growing is profit driven info. Some of which is held onto like a religion.

Yes, that time period, early 80s, was a fundamental shift in Cannabis culture.

My 2 visitors last night smoked 1 J of my CTF with me and proclaimed they had never had weed this good. They were in their early 30's. I smiled and said just wait, it hasn't peaked yet, when the cocaine like rush hit, they were like holy shit

You definitely are onto it. Thanks for spreading the knowledge. I by no means want Indica narcotic couch-lock weed to go away, but I would love if breeding for variation comes back. I myself am planning on growing some Afghani Black Domina, which is supposed to be a knock out sleep inducing strain. I think it is instructive to have extreme opposites to demonstrate the wonderful variety that Cannabis can express.

People - Please don't cross disparate styles of weed. This has been the dominate recipe for 40 years. We are awash in the results of this technique. The result has become bland to my tastes. Please create separate lines to preserve the wide range of effects, and save what variation is left to preserve what our ancestors have passed on to us.

But is not just spectrum, it is also about timings (schedule) 12/12 won't cut it for trippy and angle of light and what the plants are fed that add up the bigger picture in the quest for true connoisseur grade cannabis.

While IMO MH plus HPS is better than HPS alone it is still not the proper spectrum for trippy and the sun at most places other than the equator is simply about yield as there is little usable UV. While it is more costly and more difficult to emulate the tropics in our indoor gardens it is what is required if you want truly trippy weed

Riddleme - Thanks for sharing your observations from your experiments, and techniques. ICMAG is richer for members like you.

Sincerely,

ThaiBliss

 

[Siever]

Yes, that time period, early 80s, was a fundamental shift in Cannabis culture.
You definitely are onto it. Thanks for spreading the knowledge. I by no means want Indica narcotic couch-lock weed to go away, but I would love if breeding for variation comes back. I myself am planning on growing some Afghani Black Domina, which is supposed to be a knock out sleep inducing strain. I think it is instructive to have extreme opposites to demonstrate the wonderful variety that Cannabis can express.
ThaiBliss

Still I like MK Ultra a lot, an awfull lot. It's pure indica, but not a coughlocker.

Siever

 

[idiit]

love riddleme's post.

i am an outdoor grower. i run indoors for seeds, clones, early test appraisals.

i am all over ic mag posting and reading on different threads. one reason is that i'm not going to be the best grower. i'm not even in one of the best areas to grow the xtreme sats. one thing i do control is the quality of my endeaver (how hard i try including the quality of my effort).

i want the best that i can achieve in my growing environment. i run lots of stuff so that i can select. i then run the best strains i have interest in to select again; the best phenos within that strain.

we have lots of growers here all chasing the same dragon; trip weed. some strains do well in varied conditions, others don't.

the african malawi is really doing well in the "trip weed cage fight; two strains enter, one strain leaves". for me, seeds of africa malawi gold is the top breeder keeper so far. outdoors comes in very late so might need to be used as a hybrid with something faster. dubi's frosty mum malawi is also very good (haven't isolated it out from the ace malawi phenos yet, but got a taste of her in 2011 golden tiger). i'm running malberry's mulanje gold outside 2015 to check it out.

 

[Riddleme]

Riddleme- this is the best post I have seen in quite a while. I applaud your approach. A fitting 1000th post to a great thread. I'll be looking to find pics of your grows!

Thank you, I try to share my discoveries openly, I tend to catch a lot of flack in most forums I post in as my methods are so much different that what is normally spread.

My journal here is linked in my sig

 

[Riddleme]

Yes, that time period, early 80s, was a fundamental shift in Cannabis culture.



You definitely are onto it. Thanks for spreading the knowledge. I by no means want Indica narcotic couch-lock weed to go away, but I would love if breeding for variation comes back. I myself am planning on growing some Afghani Black Domina, which is supposed to be a knock out sleep inducing strain. I think it is instructive to have extreme opposites to demonstrate the wonderful variety that Cannabis can express.

People - Please don't cross disparate styles of weed. This has been the dominate recipe for 40 years. We are awash in the results of this technique. The result has become bland to my tastes. Please create separate lines to preserve the wide range of effects, and save what variation is left to preserve what our ancestors have passed on to us.



Riddleme - Thanks for sharing your observations from your experiments, and techniques. ICMAG is richer for members like you.

Sincerely,

ThaiBliss

You are quite welcome, Thanks for askin me to share

And I am still also breedin Indica dom's and 50/50 hybrids, I currently have 2 Lebanese land races going, because my fav hash back in the 70's was the blond Lebanese that would come round once a year. I will be crossin it with several strains, gonna use it to temper the Komaoni and for sure cross it to my new Grandpa's Hash plant Which is GDP X G13 X Hash plant (mostly Indica) I also have a land race Afghani pollen to play with gifted from a fellow grower.

Also was recently gifted a 80's Tahoe OG male clone, not the recent Tahoe OG Kush re-make that I'll be playin with.

But the one I have my eye on is my new Thunderfunk69 the first grown plant is simply stellar, prolly keep it as a clone only pheno (I popped 2 and one is a boy) The salads I have smoked from the mom (Cole Train 2008 cup winner) and the pop (my CTF) have been just awesome. It'll harvest around 4/20 I'll let you know

 

[Pwyll]

Riddleme - the same lights in veg and flower. That is a very persuasive argument. I do have a 6 lamp 2 foot T5 fixture. Do you think that could work for 1 plant in flower?

Do you tend towards partial harvests? Or does using 40 T5s provide enough penetration for the lower flowers?

Your comments with regard to light angle are also very thought provoking. Is that to do with the higher UVs when the sun is more perpendicular? Or does the angle have additional significance?

I move my plants outside 3-5 days a week on bright hot days. The last couple of years I've been harvesting August/September. This year I intended to move the grow forward a month so the plants can take advantage of the higher UV. Would that make sense?

 

[Riddleme]

Riddleme - the same lights in veg and flower. That is a very persuasive argument. I do have a 6 lamp 2 foot T5 fixture. Do you think that could work for 1 plant in flower?

Do you tend towards partial harvests? Or does using 40 T5s provide enough penetration for the lower flowers?

Your comments with regard to light angle are also very thought provoking. Is that to do with the higher UVs when the sun is more perpendicular? Or does the angle have additional significance?

I move my plants outside 3-5 days a week on bright hot days. The last couple of years I've been harvesting August/September. This year I intended to move the grow forward a month so the plants can take advantage of the higher UV. Would that make sense?

If your 2 foot fixture is HO then it might work for one small plant. There is a grower I know that uses cfl's in a tub in a stealth micro gro and he just added a 2 foot true actinic bulb and his plants went wild with new growth. He is now switchin out the cfl's for Corals. It was fun to watch

I run 8 bulbs in veg (432 watts) and 18 bulbs in flower (972 watts) my flower garden is 5 X 5. Twas another grower that switched out his 3200 watts of hps for 40 t5's (2160 watts) Which is quite a jump considering the ATI bulbs are $32 each

The angle thing can create very slight nuances in outcome and it is true the plants are hit with different angles of light each day as the sun rises and sets. But for me it is more about penetration. I have my lights in an arched angle because it kills shadows in my garden, which translates into better overall coverage. If there are no shadows, there is no blocked light (somewhere I have pictures that show this, I'll have to see if I can find em?) I also have my 3 fixtures turn on and off several minutes apart from each other and they are arranged east to west so the east light comes on first then the top, then the west, like wise the west light turns off last. A minor sunrise/sunset like adjustment. For me this is more about waking em up slowly as opposed to bam lights are on.

IMO there is no such thing as an experiment that does not make sense, I say try everything, tis how we learn what works and what doesn't.

 

[Riddleme]

Found em

I started out with just one 6 bulb fixture, note the shadows in the first pic.

I then bought an 8 bulb fixture to expand the coverage, it is now my veg light. Note the shadows changed but are still there in the 2nd pic.

Then I got the idea to build the tanning booth This was the first pic I took. Note there are no shadows 3rd pic.

 

[Pwyll]

any brands/configurations tou would recommend for 2ft?

 

[Riddleme]

any brands/configurations tou would recommend for 2ft?

I get my ATI bulbs at a local aquarium shop, but you can get em from Amazon here are the links for the 2 foot 24 watt HO's

http://www.amazon.com/ATI-watt-True...-2-catcorr&keywords=ati+true+actinic+t5+bulbs

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0BSQWNG4EKCBT7N1T01S

With only 6 bulbs I would do one actinic, one red (I use GE 4100K) and 4 corals, you could do 2 corals and 2 6500K's as well.

At this moment I still have 4 6500K's in my garden but I will be changin em to corals next weekend. I really like the corals cause they touch the UV spectrum and have a touch of red

the spectrum charts are here,
http://www.atinorthamerica.com/bulbs.php

 

[BoldAsLove]

Very interesting thoughts and posts! I happen to do some of the same things as RiddleMe for some of the same reasons. I approached indoor gardening with the mindset of trying to create a perfect outdoor environment. I went with LED because I can pack 700w of 3w chipsets plus 64w of UV/Blue CFL in a 10 sq.ft. cabinet and ventilate with a very quiet 4" inline fan, all while maintaining a 77*F/25*C environment. Quiet, powerful, efficient. I spread out the 700w over 5 separate lighting units, and arrange them in an arc. I also veg and flower in the same chamber. I move the UV CFLs from very close to the plants in early flowering and gradually change to a couple feet away by the time the plants finish flowering. I don't use hard 18/6 or 12/12 timings either, I typically start around 15/9 or 14/10 and gradually bring it down to either 11/13 or 10/14 by the end, depending on genetics. I chose the LEDs I did because I liked how complete the lighting spectrum was. It's still very red/blue dominant, but there are diodes running all the way from UVA to far-red. I'm isolated from other growers and definitely don't get to interact with other cannabis passionate people, but in the only encounter I had with such a person evoked the comment, "Was this indoor or outdoor? It feels like some really nice outdoor, but looks like indoor." That felt like a victory to me.

I love this thread. It's trippy centric, but it's also been a great in-depth discussion and celebration of all cannabis' finest effects. Thanks for the mental stimulation all.

These two OT1 Haze plants turned out to have the finest effects among the 11 lady group:

#7

Smell: After drying, she had a raunchy combination of sage and leather. Now after 3 months in the jar, she has picked up a citrus perfume scent that now blends in with a more mild sage/leather/earth smell. Reminds me a little bit of the smell from a sample of Thai I once had.

Taste: This plant was a beast to grow indoors. It was the second longest flowering plant of the group at about 20 weeks. I didn't have space to keep up-potting, and because of time constraints, I had to use some techniques I don't particularly like using such as top-dressing N guano and making N guano EWC teas. As such, the smoked product is a bit harsh. So, I've mostly been vaping her. So when vaped, taste is orange lemon herbal earth. Like a mild citrus tea. Very pleasant.

Effect: Joy is the best word to describe it. It's a deep planted feeling of inner happiness and contentment. Verrrry social, and I'm not a social person by any stretch of the imagination. I can have long conversations with people and feel comfortable doing so with this plant. It's motivational, focused, positive, giggly, and spiritually/mentally euphoric. Makes me sing whatever is in my head out loud. There's a feeling of connectedness like we discussed earlier in the thread. I love sitting and watching the birds and other wildlife live their lives. Great for creativity sessions with other people. I get a rush of warmth from my chest to the top of my head, and physical touch is enhanced a bit. I would feel comfortable calling it psychoactive and spiritual, but it stops short of psychedelic/trippy for me. So joyous and motivational though. Long effect with a nice afterglow. It's also been a very stable and consistent effect too. I vaped #7 before writing this post

#5

Smell: It's now been cured for 4.5 months. Still reminiscent of frankincense. Lemon/lime soda, sweet musky cedar wood, and black pepper. The earthy sweet smell of rain/wet forest is gone. Now it has that well cured air about it. When ground, that odd fruity smell still comes out. It's somewhere in the area of woody mango/spicy fruit punch.

Taste: There's the full frankincense. On the inhale and when in the air, it's like Omani frankincense. The exhale flavor is woody spicy musky mango punch.

Effect: Electric trippy joy The first thing I always notice with this one is the strong uplifting feeling in my chest. It's like a ball of energy grows in my chest cavity, and then it moves up my neck and into the top of my head. I get a very strong feeling of pressure in and behind my eyes. The mental/spiritual euphoria is there, but not as much as #7. You can be social with it, but hopefully the other people partook of the same plant as well, because the conversation might venture way off into left field. I had a conversation that started off discussing aliens, that then turned into global social politics, and then it turned into creating comical definitions of different Southern California "bro" types LOL. All this was in a span of 20 minutes or so. Fun stuff. Really fun.
I get a lot of mental activity with her. Thoughts enter your head and quickly change into non-linear, abstract progressions of your original thought. I get multiple moderate sensory perception changes in this plant, especially in large doses. Visually, I get mild peripheral static and colors are very slightly enhanced. There are fleeting moments where things look fake/contrived, but it's not something that sticks. There are moments of audio hallucinations too where you hear something, and it takes you a split second to realize what it is and where it's coming from. Physical touch is enhanced a little more so than #7. This plant is perfect for experimental music improvisation for me. I've played some wild sounding stuff with #5. I love this plant. It's not as clear or focused as #7, but it's more so than the purple showing plants. Both #5 and #7 seem to have some pretty strong anti-depressant, socializing effects. Long duration and an awesome afterglow. I like smoking this plant in the morning because I can still feel the afterglow well into the afternoon hours.

 

[yoss33]

A great description of the Haze high, BoldAsLove! I like it when seeing other people appreciate the subtle (in comparison to powerful weed) but very rewarding effects of the pure Haze.
I too love it for the social, euphoric and somewhat spiritual high. It consistently gives me goose bumps when listening to favorite tunes. Consistently, unlike most other weed. I like Haze hybrids, but I haven't smoked such one (and I have tried most 50% Hazes) that can replicate well the refinement of pure Haze. I have a jar of early-harvested Purple Haze x Thai by Ace seeds, which is close to pure Haze, but still not the same - it's more focused and analytical, the Thai has left its mark. It has adrenaline rush mixed with the emotional euphoric glow of pure Haze. And gets me slightly anxious and paranoid in higher doeses, whereas the Haze is NEVER paranoid, no matter the situation.
Oh, I'm getting late for work, but it's just great to talk about Haze while high on Haze and listening to music The only downside of pure Haze compared to the Thai hybrid is that it feels so good that it's a bit unfunctional for the working day - you want to soar and not focus on boring work

 

[MostlyMe]

Very inspirational posts recently, so happy to be a small part of it. Only downside is I am getting anxious to harvest now

First of all, has this thread always been a sticky? Because it is now

Secondly, most people associate haze with an energy rush and racyness. I know I did smoking strains like Super Silver Haze, Super Lemon Haze and Jack Herer, that were on every coffeeshop menu when I was young. When I started growing pure sativas myself, I assumed they would all be like that. But they aren't: many are kinder, spiritual, introspective and indeed trippy. I like both, but are these two general categories bound to phenotypes, or are there strains that are consistently one or the other?

Another question of a more practical matter: how do you guys store your harvest? Sativas like this take up a lot of space if you don't want to compress them.

 

[Mustafunk]

Very nice report BoldAsLove and it seems you had great results indoors with them. Gotta love Haze strains, it's just about growing enough plants to find the outstanding ones in my opinion.

I also do leds for tropical strains indoors and I really love it. I think they are much more suitable than HPS lamps because the great possibilities in the full spectrum and best efficiency on the latest chips. Stuff is definitely closer to the sunlight than any other lamps out there. Maybe you don't get bigger buds but definitely more terpene and cannabinoid-rich ones.

Vibes.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Good Morning,

BoldAsLove - Thanks for your wonderful smoke report. Looking forward to smoking some of that. Try and stash a bit away for this summer. My current favorites, SAGE and SAGE x Purple Haze Thai are in the flowering cabinet now. I have a small bud left of Bangi Haze from last year, and some of the Bangi Haze hash.

MostlyMe - I think this thread became a sticky recently, due to all the great posts like Bold's smoke report, this one:

IMO there is no such thing as an experiment that does not make sense, I say try everything, tis how we learn what works and what doesn't.

As well as descriptions of Haze from Yoss33. I remember it being something like "the perfect combination of the focused S.E. Asian high and the emotional S. American high".

We could use a pictorial update from Dave Coulier though.

My two cents - I have found a pretty diverse variety of Haze highs, all interesting, occasional gems, and rare uber weed.

Off to Work,



ThaiBliss

 

[e.T]

Very nice report BoldAsLove and it seems you had great results indoors with them. Gotta love Haze strains, it's just about growing enough plants to find the outstanding ones in my opinion.

I also do leds for tropical strains indoors and I really love it. I think they are much more suitable than HPS lamps because the great possibilities in the full spectrum and best efficiency on the latest chips. Stuff is definitely closer to the sunlight than any other lamps out there. Maybe you don't get bigger buds but definitely more terpene and cannabinoid-rich ones.

Vibes.

I'll second the LEDs for sativas.....

 

[Thule]

I find the UV thing interesting, but as far as I know it's not proven by any scientific studies. No increase in THC levels has been found in tests so the changes in the qualities of the resin must occur in the terpene profile. Od bud certainly smells different to indoor, the light also plays a big role. I vouch for CFLs for growing sativas, blue spectrum too. I seldom see people using big, 125-250w fluoros on the boards but ime nothing nails a stretchy sativa like these babies do. They emit UV light as well, any idea if it's significant enough? The damn thing does tend to give me a headache if I spend too much time close to it..