The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

Onefinity - The variation of ripeness is pretty wild on that plant. In all honesty, I looked for fox-tails with the most red color I could find just as examples of what I was talking about. I think there is still less than 20% turning red (amber). It is visibly spreading. I believe Bushweed posted or wrote to me that he waits until the buds have a red sheen to them before harvesting. Perhaps this visibly red color, amber under the scope, is what he was talking about.

What is more amazing to me is the golden yellow color that is spreading. I would not be surprised if it ended up being half gold, half red in the end. I have heard that the Mullumbimby Madness strain has some Colombian in its ancestry. I can't help but think that it is Colombian Gold genetics that are expressing themselves in this particular plant. For a long time I have been growing with very low nitrogen, and low fertilizer in general. This is due to some experiences where using less made the high better and stunningly stronger. This causes more non green colors to express themselves, which is how buds looked when I was a kid. We never saw green buds back in the good old days. Golden colors were always the rarest, and the most sought after. This plant is way too easy to get the green out of the buds. No matter how this turns out, I have to try again with a little more fertilizer to see what happens then.

MostlyMe - The garden is looking good now. I think it is going to get very crowded in there if they grow anything like my batches do. My cabinet is 3 foot x 3 foot, and I can only fit two mostly Sativa plants in there. My next crop will be one plant.

The Copalita is surprising to me. It still is very dreamy/relaxing yet without making my limbs or facial muscles feel heavy or droopy like what I call couch-lock. It is strong, but not in the way that I'm hoping for. It really reminds me of most of the Colombian strains, which I have high regard for, but is not the focus of my quest. It is nothing like the special freaky Neville's Haze individual I had that looked like the Oaxacan that was used in El Dorado.

Sota - That is a beautiful picture of your Sumatran cross. I'd love to hear a detailed smoke report. I really don't know much about the genetics of NYCD. I have a cut of Headband, which I believe is supposed to be related, and it looks like Indica to me. The dude that gave it to me says it has a soaring high, and sighs every time he says "Headband". I've seen finished buds that have no fox-tailing at all. The more Sativa leaning variations of the Chem-Dawg lines do have fox-tailing. There are plenty of strains from various parts of the world that tend to fox-tail. Many strains fox-tail more profoundly in an indoor environment also. I thought I heard somewhere that there is Thai in it. I think I started a firestorm of posts when writing that before, so people have various strong opinions on it. I know nothing...


ThaiBliss

 

[Dave Coulier]

They're looking great MostlyMe. Its good to see the early issues are no longer troubling you. I look forward to seeing them over the next couple of months.

 

[MostlyMe]

MostlyMe - The garden is looking good now. I think it is going to get very crowded in there if they grow anything like my batches do. My cabinet is 3 foot x 3 foot, and I can only fit two mostly Sativa plants in there. My next crop will be one plant.

The pot size should keep them in check. I should end up with at least 1 plant of every strain, perhaps more if they don't grow too wide. It will be crowded, but I like to grow several strains at the same time for variety. I think you should too, to maximize your chances of finding what you want.

The Copalita is surprising to me. It still is very dreamy/relaxing yet without making my limbs or facial muscles feel heavy or droopy like what I call couch-lock. It is strong, but not in the way that I'm hoping for. It really reminds me of most of the Colombian strains, which I have high regard for, but is not the focus of my quest. It is nothing like the special freaky Neville's Haze individual I had that looked like the Oaxacan that was used in El Dorado.

Do you notice any differences in effect from different samples you took earlier - for example the reddish brown foxtails or the green ones?

 

[sota]

hi thaibliss,
thank you for the information.
hadbang I unfortunately do not know, but your description is exact the effect of my NYCD clone.
a very soaring high without paranoia, happy feeling and strong.
the sumatra is absolutely the opposite pole.....
simply unpredictable, but if it fits, just ... incredible psychedelic ....
Now the buds are curing and in a few weeks i will try to give a smokereport.
hope to have a special combination.
One more question I have.
How many phenotypes, do you think, are realistic with an F1 cross?
Unfortunately I have no clone made from this plant.
...and now it is the best smelling plant I've ever grown better than the amnesiaHZ x su (this cross smell also great - think it comes from the NYCD).

 

[ThaiBliss]

How many phenotypes, do you think, are realistic with an F1 cross?

You probably need to speak with a good breeder, and one that is familiar with the NYCD strain. But since I have an opinion on almost anything, sadly, I would have to mention that I probably would not consider it an F1 cross. This is because I don't believe that NYCD is an inbred line. Your cross may be a what is called a poly-hybrid. The seeds from this cross could have wild variability. The good news is that you think the smoke from both parents are good, which may be the most important thing. Both your parents have excellent reputations.

"Breed the best, and forget the rest" - Luther Burbank

That is a simple motto from one of the best plant breeders in history. Do it again, and again while testing lots of the offspring, and you are doing what he preached.



ThaiBliss

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 62 Thai Stick Update

Day 62 Thai Stick Update

This thread needs more pictures of Thai, and I just happen to have one who has finally kicked into flowering fully, and I got pictures. Weee

Thai Stick B aka the man who would be female is flowering at a much faster clip compared to the thus far confirmed female TS-A. Although Ive had to recently cut off two shoots that were developing male organs only, but everything else is 100% female elsewhere on the plant for now at least.

These two feed at a crazy rate. In a span of 11 days the ppm of the soil solution went from 1350 to 170 on plant A! Tonight it sits at 1000 ppm, 2.1 EC after a strong feeding a few days ago. They definitely use up nutrients faster than anything else in my garden and are quickly overgrowing my garden. I think ill be incorporating osmocote on my next run with them. I also paired TS-B up with a blumat tonight. I expect a explosion of growth now. Im in love with blumats. lol.

Im pretty happy to have bud formation by day 62. Maybe she will come in under 200 days hehe. Plant A is taking her sweet time and lagging behing with no bud formation yet. Flowering time is 11.5/12.5 right now.

 

[Gert Lush]

Hi TB

On the flowering of your plants, I often find that good sativas mature from the bottom up. I.e. lower buds ready well ahead of the top.

When are you actually chopping? Or have you chopped and I missed it?

 

[ThaiBliss]

Week 30 of Flowering

Week 30 of Flowering

Hi TB

On the flowering of your plants, I often find that good sativas mature from the bottom up. I.e. lower buds ready well ahead of the top.

When are you actually chopping? Or have you chopped and I missed it?

Hi Gert,

It appears that this is the case with this plant. The advice was given by an outdoor grower to let every pistil die before harvest. However, I believe that the plant behaves differently indoors than it does outdoors. I have recently harvested about a third or more of the lower branches. I can leave the rest for a few more weeks, or until all pistils die.

I have been slacking on sampling that I need to do. I have not smoked this plant yet, or others that I have harvested. At least not under what I would consider controlled conditions. I'm not really slacking in general. I have lots of changes going on in my life that I need to get sorted out. I'm looking forward to when things settle down and I have some leisure time.

Enough about me. Here is a photograph of the plant showing plenty of fresh pistils still:

At the same time, there are areas of the buds that look very well ripened:

Here is one of my drying trays full of harvest from a couple of days ago:

Continued...

 

[ThaiBliss]

Here is the tray under a cool white florescent light:

You can literally see extensive ambering with the naked eye. It looks like it is dead parts of the bud that is turning reddish brown. It is actually blanched tissue with so much amber resin that it looks red from afar. You can see it better in a photo when I used a flash:

Dave - Thanks for keeping us updated with all the pictures and progress reports. It is going to be a long haul. These are some of the most difficult strains to grow. They take great patience, experience, and luck. Hang in there.



ThaiBliss

 

[Mullum]

Thanks

 

[Dave Coulier]

TB, your pictures give me the needed encouragement to make it to the long end of this road Im on. I wish I could sample yours, but at least Ill have some of my own many months from now, but it'll be worth the wait. Ive still got 14 more TS seeds to enjoy later someday soon. That'll be a hoot!

 

[Gert Lush]

Enough about me. Here is a photograph of the plant showing plenty of fresh pistils still:

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Heh-heh, proper sativa, that one!

What a nice start to the New Year....

 

[Waldgeist]

Z#6

wos - 'wild thailand' , 555, but a keeper anyways, #2

 

[Waldgeist]

hey thai,

someone put the colors away and decided to go yellow mode

in reality, Z#6, flowering day 12, stretch sets in

this particular one eats 10-52-10, ec around 1,4 and going up

the myth of the high p myth

 

[MostlyMe]

Waldie, are you mixing your own nutes from cheap chemicals like monopotassiumphosphate (potassiumdihydrogenphosphate)? If so, what do you use?

I am indeed surprised by the high amount of P you use. We all know a wide range of NPK ratios work for cannabis, but many claim 3-1-2/3 is about optimal, although N can be reduced in flower.

 

[Waldgeist]

Waldie, are you mixing your own nutes from cheap chemicals like monopotassiumphosphate (potassiumdihydrogenphosphate)? If so, what do you use?

I am indeed surprised by the high amount of P you use. We all know a wide range of NPK ratios work for cannabis, but many claim 3-1-2/3 is about optimal, although N can be reduced in flower.

hey mm,

i use salts from hakaphos and yara and yep, manna multi mkp

3-1-2/3 i would only use for a p sensitive hybrid or pure indica,

the 'claims' and 'is about optimals' tell a story, im intrested to form my plant expressions towards my setups and such a nutrition gives me a huge 'semi flowering' mess without structure and hard fast floral onset. especially with pure sats. i experienced this lately again and again and so i aim now for a pk pronounced nutrition where the n is cut out over the flowering cycle.

10-52-10 as a pure phos booster that is normally used as foliar feed, was the most extreme stuff i had layin around. the zamaldelica 6 can take extreme amount of p compared to all my other plants, thats what i noticed over time growin her. i fed my mother z6 with 10-52-10 @ ec 2, it changes color, really gets a 'glow' and starts pushin strong stiff shoots in all directions. when i fed her N pronounced in veg, the branches were thin and very lush, all tissue and foliage soft.

best


ps:
phos-glow

day 14

and for the jogi cup, flower day 3

 

[ThaiBliss]

hey thai,

someone put the colors away and decided to go yellow mode

Hey Man! I did not do that on purpose. I swear, this has never happened to me before. I do like a low level of nutrients, especially nitrogen, but I normally go for the "plutonium green", bright yellow green glow, look that your Ghana and Zamaldelicas are getting this go around. Nice work.

On the other hand, this is going to look really bad for me when I post some pictures of the Jamaican I have. It has been in vegetation for... I don't even know how long, while it has been waiting for this GN x NHz x MM to finish up. The Jamaicans are hermie prone. The fist two plants I grew were both males, one looking pure male, and the other having a few pistils here and there.

So, I have been reluctant to cut back the new Jamaican I have. It is in my veg cabinet that has two vertical compact fluorescents, and I let the plant grow to the ceiling. It is bent over from hitting the top. Areas are getting very little light, and others are burned from being too close to the bulbs. It has also gone through some fertilization mistakes, too much and too little. It has taken a real beating, and currently looks like crap.

The good news is that it is not yet showing any gender bending characteristics during all this abuse. In fact, it has not been showing any pre-flower structure at all until just recently, which looks like it is leaning female to me. It is also interesting that this plant still has the Sativa skinny leaf look, but the internodes are quite short. Them males were lanky has heck. Some strains are like that with huge differences between males and females. I hope that this is the case, and not that it is not crossed with another strain. These female vs. male differences used to be common, but not so much with more "modern" strains.

I'm going to take some pictures today, because I want to cut it back and try to get it healthy in preparation for the flowering cabinet. The stems are too old and woody to bend into the shape of the cabinet. It also is too big. Posting these pictures will not help my rep, but I want to document for my own purposes. B.T.W., I have heard that some breeders stress plants on purpose to try and eliminate hermie tendencies. I think I'll just chalk this up to giving this plant a good hermie test.

Before I post pictures of the Jamaican, I want to remind all that I am capable of dialing in the fertilization in what I consider just right. I'll do that with a picture of my yellow pheno of Bangi Haze, where it's true color is not masked by too much nitrogen, and the fan leaves are yellowing out and falling off as it finished ripening:

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Here is the lady in waiting. She is a mess:

You can see where the bulbs where burning her in the middle. She wanted to grow upright no matter how many times I pinched the apical meristems.

She was 4 feet tall, taller than my 40 gallon water heater, unitl I cut her main stems back to about 16 inches, and left some thin branches that are over two feet tall. I'll be able to bend those over and spread her out over the cabinet area:

After cutting, my hands stink of green apple, medicine, and incense. The medicine smell is actually like raw opium. I ate some opium once. I threw up all over the place. I won't forget that opium smell. LOL.

Here is a picture of the previous two males that were very lanky. At that time, I did not know they were males yet:

I did not take any photographs of this female as a seedling. I hope it is a female. This picture of a small thin branch shows that she is the opposite of lanky:

Hopefully I can build on this, and get a healthy head of steam before flowering.

Just for kicks, here is one of the males as a seedling:

ThaiBliss

 

[Waldgeist]

sorry thai im outta love but thats exactly the post i like much more than only fancy flowers with perfect backgrounds and nuted to a plastic look.

the banghi is a perfect and beautiful example of low N nutrition,
the jam is even better, as a german who knows how to trim the buchsbaum right, im jealous to the core your veg seems about 4x the size than my complete flower, do you prep allready for outdoor or is it just big moms in stasis?, i like it all!

lets turn it again,
some fancy green plastic for you, congo pointe noire x oth, the poor lady must take ec 1,4 like all others in its tray, so theres no excuse.

and the wos wild thailand #2 @ d 28, if you dont look at her, just smell, you wont imagine an expression like that, its the raw incense
of fresh orange peels that stands out.

all the best

 

[ThaiBliss]

do you prep allready for outdoor or is it just big moms in stasis?

I live pretty far north, like yourself, but it has a mild climate. I have a hillbilly greenhouse, PVC pipe bent over into a half circle with greenhouse plastic draped over. This allows me to start early from seed outside, for outside plants. This way I don't have to try and match the indoor light cycle with the outdoor light cycle. Plants won't flower prematurely outside if they are subject to ever increasing hours of light in the spring.

Remember, I don't have a light timer for my veg cabinet.


All your plants look pretty good. You definitely have the green thumb.