The Search for Trip Weed

[MostlyMe]

This is my tent at 4 weeks of 11/13. Told ya it would fit (13 plants, 2x2 foot). I removed fan leaves, but only if they block light to bud sites. Note how on the right two shorter flowering plants are getting as much light as possible - I made a gap there.

Just to recap: these are Double Jam (2x), El Dorado (1x), Purple Haze x Thai (5x), Double Thai (4x) and what was supposed to be the pure haze 2046, but clearly isn't. Contacted Medical Seeds, but no reply. There's a report with the same outcome on Se-ed-f-inder, so buyer beware!

Dave C., you'll be happy to hear I installed a Blumat watering system I forgot I had stored away. It's the version that uses cones in the soil and capillary effects to suck water from a reservoir, seems to be working very well!

 

[Siever]

Hey Mostly Me,

Do you have any other experience with medical seeds? I think their Y Griega is tempting.
And if it's as good as they say it is, the seeds are not expensive.

Siever

 

[MostlyMe]

Hey Mostly Me,

Do you have any other experience with medical seeds? I think their Y Griega is tempting.
And if it's as good as they say it is, the seeds are not expensive.

Siever

Nope, and I will not buy from them again.

 

[somethingGooey]

MostlyMe, that space is already looking quite crowded and seems like you`ll have jungles over there pretty soon.

 

[Goatstroker]

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[Dave Coulier]

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This is my tent at 4 weeks of 11/13. Told ya it would fit (13 plants, 2x2 foot). I removed fan leaves, but only if they block light to bud sites. Note how on the right two shorter flowering plants are getting as much light as possible - I made a gap there.

Just to recap: these are Double Jam (2x), El Dorado (1x), Purple Haze x Thai (5x), Double Thai (4x) and what was supposed to be the pure haze 2046, but clearly isn't. Contacted Medical Seeds, but no reply. There's a report with the same outcome on Se-ed-f-inder, so buyer beware!

Dave C., you'll be happy to hear I installed a Blumat watering system I forgot I had stored away. It's the version that uses cones in the soil and capillary effects to suck water from a reservoir, seems to be working very well!

Your garden looks excellent. Im amazed you managed to squeeze them all in there. I wonder how itll look in a month..heh Ive had to resort to leaf removal too thanks to my GN thai sticks overgrowing anything they get close too.

Its good to see the blumats back in action. I certainly wouldn't want to try and hand water all those plants in that tent. They're such a life saver.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Gn Thai Stick B Update Day

Gn Thai Stick B Update Day

Someone happened to be a lil curious about how my two Thai were doing, and I did happen to snap some pics a few days ago. So why not share them with the Thai lovers out there.

There will be even more pics in my album. I take alot of pics , but its too much to fit in here, so Ill throw up my very favorite and the rest can be found here:

Sadly I still dont have any bud shots to share of Thai A. She appears to be leaving the preflowering stage, but I thought that last week and she is taking her sweet time to kick into flowering. Hope she's worth the wait.

Before scrogging:

And after scrogging:

 

[MostlyMe]

MostlyMe, that space is already looking quite crowded and seems like you`ll have jungles over there pretty soon.

Growth is already slowing quickly, so it should be ok

Right?

MostlyMe, you're a friggin' maniac!
(I'm out of rep to give today so is it cool if I just call you names?)

Not at all, thanks

Your garden looks excellent. Im amazed you managed to squeeze them all in there. I wonder how itll look in a month..heh Ive had to resort to leaf removal too thanks to my GN thai sticks overgrowing anything they get close too.

Its good to see the blumats back in action. I certainly wouldn't want to try and hand water all those plants in that tent. They're such a life saver.

I'll still have to water sometimes to feed them - my organic nutes aren't compatible with Blumat. But going ThaiBliss on their asses, so I won't have to feed often

 

[Thule]

Jamaican

That's the biggest Lambsbread I've ever seen! I've found them very easy to keep small, even one foot tall, no problem. These plants have no obvious indica traits like most Oaxacans for example, the 4-5 month flowering time also suggest they're quite tropical. There is a pungent, almost hashy after taste in the cured smoke though that is a bit unusual among pure sativas.

I found the smoke way too clear to be tripping weed, it takes some effort to get lost in the effect if you know what I mean. Social situations were where I found the high spot on. Let's hope you find a female this time!

 

[ThaiBliss]

I found the smoke way too clear to be tripping weed...

Thule, you are getting me excited about it's clarity. I think you and I may have a different idea of what is trippy weed is. I'm looking for clean clear cerebral effect, but quite powerful at the same time.

...it takes some effort to get lost in the effect...

I hope you are talking about a delayed reaction, not that it isn't potent. I measure strains potency by how much it stimulates or exaggerates my senses, like color, brightness, sound, etc.. Some strains that I feel are potent, others think are weak when comparing cerebral effects to blurry perception warping and "relaxing" effects.

Here are some examples of descriptions of what sound very good to me. These are from Red Rider's excellent thread, "Vintage Colombian":

Golden Corinto
This is from a sample I obtained from my long time Colombian friend who normally only sells crippy. Nice semi pressed finger length buds that were moderately seeded. Not “fuzzy” or particularly sticky, no special scent. Actually not very potent, not overwhelming but you certainly felt her effect. The effect starts right away with an uplifting, mood brightening feeling that sort of sweeps you in to euphoric bliss. With this the more you smoke the happier you get, high and higher until laughter. Really good stuff, great while having a couple beers since it has no downer effect at all. Very little tolerance although you do end up smoking more with daily use but always able to hit that happy spot. Also quite clean as she finishes.
Golden Sativa
This came from my old Colombian connection as well and is similar in effect to the Golden Corinto. However this is noticeably stronger and slightly more exaggerated in effect. Long finger thick slightly pressed fully seeded buds. All seeds fully mature and buds covered in a golden fuzz, sticky to the touch. The effect comes on a little slower and the taste is sharper more pronounced. The same “happy” feeling starts coming on and building. A little racy as thoughts start piling up in your head. Then in a euphoric frenzy I begin to feel incredibly creative and inspired to write or build something useful. It’s a wonderful motivational sensation that continues till the effect leaves you. The effect alone is awesome enough but the best part of the effect is the finish. It just ends, no after affect at all, it’s like you were never high never that high. And low tolerance, some more though is required with repeated use but always gets you there clean.

MostlyMe - I have to get you a smoke report before you "go ThaiBliss on their asses".

I may have gone way too far with it.

Trip on,

ThaiBliss

 

[MostlyMe]

MostlyMe - I have to get you a smoke report before you "go ThaiBliss on their asses".

I may have gone way too far with it.

What, no good with the Copalita? Anyway, I wasn't planning on the starvation diet you advocate, but letting the ladies yellow a bit worked out fine last grow.

I believe I have found some more tripping weed as you understand it, TB: A5 Haze. This is a NLxHaze cross Nevil used to father Nevil's Haze (if I'm not mistaken), and knowing your experience with a pheno of that it makes sense. The original clone is still around and grown by a small group of growers in the south-west of The Netherlands, it doesn't make it to the coffeeshops in my part of the country often.

It has it all: classic, spicy-incency haze aroma and a very clean, soaring and psychedelic high. My tolerance level is a bit too high right now to fully experience it, but I could immediately tell it's the real deal.

Now why am I torturing you with details of a clone-only? Well, the Dutch breeder Es-ko-bar has gained the trust of the A5 collective and was gifted seeds. He expressed interest in working with it about 2 years ago, warning it would take a long time. I will inquire how things are going

 

[satva]

Is A5 Haze Colombian or Thai?

Selecting from Mango Haze for thin leaves, haze structure and long flowering plants + 14 weeks, I've found mostly pheno-types with a Colombian effect with Mango Haze seeds.

One Mango Haze pheno-type has a Lemon / Guava / floral profile and a Thai high~ softer and calmer than Destroyer. My interest is to cross the Lemon Thai pheno-type from Mango Haze with Destroyer. Jazz up the high of this Mango Haze (Thai pheno) and soften the intensity of the Destroyer high.

PS> Destroyer x 1972 Highland Guerrero / Blueberry sativa ~ (Highland Thai x Highland Mexican) and two Destroyer clones ready to flower. Highland Thai x Highland Mexican f2 in the making.............

Originally Posted by shantibaba
Hi All

just to clear the air from confusion and before you all go making a legend from myth here is how it was done and is done still....

Neville's Haze is made from Haze C male which is made by two pure haze parents from 1969....then the female side of NH is made from Haze A combined to NL5 or NL5Haze A where Haze A was also made by two pure Haze parents also from 1969
Haze A is no longer alive only Haze C male is along with several other different sativa lines.

but plants with the lineage of Haze A are still alive and carrying the genes within.

SSH is made up of Haze C combined to Skunk 1 or Skunk HzC which is the male side, the female side is Haze C combined to NL5 or NL5HzC

the Mango comes from a parallel cross same as SSH but with one difference

Haze A male combined to Sk 1 or Sk HzA being the male plant, the female is NL5HzC....that is the breeding of those three plants

PPS> Super Silver Haze uses only Haze C. I've not tried SSH or Neville's Haze, but Mango Haze has both Haze A and Haze C.

 

[ThaiBliss]

What, no good with the Copalita?

The Copalita was strong, perhaps stronger than any I have tested in recent years except Zamaldelica. It is just not the type of high I'm looking for.

I believe I have found some more tripping weed as you understand it, TB: A5 Haze. This is a NLxHaze cross Nevil used to father Nevil's Haze (if I'm not mistaken), and knowing your experience with a pheno of that it makes sense. The original clone is still around and grown by a small group of growers in the south-west of The Netherlands, it doesn't make it to the coffeeshops in my part of the country often.

It has it all: classic, spicy-incency haze aroma and a very clean, soaring and psychedelic high.

My tolerance level is a bit too high right now to fully experience it, but I could immediately tell it's the real deal.

I have no doubt in my mind that strains made predominately from Haze lineages contain genes of high quality (effects that I look for) and potency that have the potential to express themselves as world class weed (by my definition).

I have seen the Haze most often cited that can have expressions of world class caliber individuals, other than Neville's Haze, is Mango Haze. I know there are plenty of people tired of Haze genes, or hearing about Haze genes, but I would suspect that most of those people have never experienced an individual with the best expressions. It is something to behold. There are precious few places to get genes like that these days. Commercial breeders have no incentive to release these genetics in pure form. What the Cannabis world needs is an invigoration of these genetics by out crossing a Haze C cut or a Haze with supremely good expressions with... say... the father of Destroyer (Meao Thai), the pure Zamal Garrets cut, or some other breeding class plant. It should then be disseminated widely. This would generate a new "modern" Cannabis era with new, higher, standards of commercial quality. At least for people with preferences like mine.


Again, in my opinion, it will never happen by a commercial seed seller. It must be accomplished by a generous good intentioned hobby grower, who is lucky enough to stumble on a world class parent... twice.

I have had the opportunity a half dozen times in my entire life, some 45 years of growing, and was too ignorant and/or greedy to seize the opportunity and secure the plants carefully, to my shame. I intend to rectify this.

ThaiBliss

 

[Waldgeist]

NH(old) x Malawi

lululu

 

[Waldgeist]

bliss here comes the fade, low N? NO N

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I tested the early sample of GN x NHz x MM few hours ago. I believe it is the best tasting weed I have grown in more than 15 years. My immediate thoughts are that I should have harvested at least half the plant back somewhere around week 22 to 24 or so when I first started smelling that incense aroma and it was at it's peak for two or three weeks. I don't smell that smell from the buds strongly anymore, but it is what these taste like. I can detect the lime, but it tastes all incense, expansive like hash, but incense instead. Wonderful.

The last time I had great tasting weed was when I had a pure looking Indica that tasted like honey oil. I like the high of this GN x ... much better than that old Purple Bud Indica. It has a clear and cerebral high whose main attribute is it's euphoria, which I like. This sample has none of the adrenalin rush or unnervingly powerful trippiness that the Thai Stick of old had. It does feel like the pleasantly euphoric and clean finish of the tail end of the Thai Stick high. This would be perfect for those trying to avoid any feeling of raciness or paranoia. It has all of the good and none of the bad, but perhaps at the expense of raw power. I have further tests to do, two samples from other harvest dates and some still on the limb. I could be wrong that I missed the best harvest window a couple of weeks before my first sample. Perhaps I screwed up this grow royally with too little nutrients. I have more samples of different harvest dates, and more seed. I will try this again, so we my yet see.

The SAGE and SAGE x Purple Haze Meao Thai are still the queens of my garden, and Bangi Haze the best of the outdoor doable weed. I can't help but imagine a cross between the SAGE or SAGE x Purple Haze Thai with the GN x...just for the taste. They both smell much better than GN x ... but they sure don't taste better. Then again, I never flushed the crap out of the SAGEs like I did the plant in this grow. I'm just rambling, because this is not my quest.

ThaiBliss

 

[Thule]

Thule, you are getting me excited about it's clarity. I think you and I may have a different idea of what is trippy weed is. I'm looking for clean clear cerebral effect, but quite powerful at the same time.



I hope you are talking about a delayed reaction, not that it isn't potent. I measure strains potency by how much it stimulates or exaggerates my senses, like color, brightness, sound, etc.. Some strains that I feel are potent, others think are weak when comparing cerebral effects to blurry perception warping and "relaxing" effects.

Here are some examples of descriptions of what sound very good to me. These are from Red Rider's excellent thread, "Vintage Colombian":

Golden Corinto
This is from a sample I obtained from my long time Colombian friend who normally only sells crippy. Nice semi pressed finger length buds that were moderately seeded. Not “fuzzy” or particularly sticky, no special scent. Actually not very potent, not overwhelming but you certainly felt her effect. The effect starts right away with an uplifting, mood brightening feeling that sort of sweeps you in to euphoric bliss. With this the more you smoke the happier you get, high and higher until laughter. Really good stuff, great while having a couple beers since it has no downer effect at all. Very little tolerance although you do end up smoking more with daily use but always able to hit that happy spot. Also quite clean as she finishes.
Golden Sativa
This came from my old Colombian connection as well and is similar in effect to the Golden Corinto. However this is noticeably stronger and slightly more exaggerated in effect. Long finger thick slightly pressed fully seeded buds. All seeds fully mature and buds covered in a golden fuzz, sticky to the touch. The effect comes on a little slower and the taste is sharper more pronounced. The same “happy” feeling starts coming on and building. A little racy as thoughts start piling up in your head. Then in a euphoric frenzy I begin to feel incredibly creative and inspired to write or build something useful. It’s a wonderful motivational sensation that continues till the effect leaves you. The effect alone is awesome enough but the best part of the effect is the finish. It just ends, no after affect at all, it’s like you were never high never that high. And low tolerance, some more though is required with repeated use but always gets you there clean.

MostlyMe - I have to get you a smoke report before you "go ThaiBliss on their asses".

I may have gone way too far with it.

Trip on,

ThaiBliss

The Jamaican didn't have a delayed effect as far as I can remember. The potency was there though so no worries, it's just that until I got to smoke it in a social situation I really didn't know what to make of it. I sruggled to write anything about the high when under it's influence, it just didn't help with the thought process at the time.

I decided not to make a smoke report at all as I know I'm a slave to my preconceptions and I've noticed that my mood and energy levels have a massive impact on the experience. I usually smoke to make household duties happen more smoothly. Take a puff, crab the vacuum cleaner and make it happen. I was expecting the lambsbread to be my new secret weapon... but instead of finding myself in the mids of a cleaning frenzy I would just find myself sitting still and very aware of my surroundings. I'm still strggling to put it into words, I just didn't get lost in my thoughts or carried away in action like I usually do. I had to force myself to do what ever it was I had decided to do that day. I was puzzled.

This happened every time I smoked it alone in my small apartment. It's about set and setting and this one just didn't fit mine. Only after smoking the jamaican with friends in an outdoor location did I feel I was using it right. The potency also struck my friend in a good way. It makes you talk!

The same weed can affect me differently on different days, different times of the day and in different situations overall and some times I feel like I have to smoke a lot to make a unbiased opinion on a strain. JLB was the hardest so far, almost like I had to calibrate my brain for it to show it's magic.

The copalita on the other hand would always feel over powering to me. I was freaked out by the early samples and just cut the plant when the seeds were done. I crossed her to a Peruvian sat and the resulting plants were the same, easily smellier than anything else in my setup. I was left wondering if they've had a fair bit of skunk in them, or if skunk has a fait bit of Oaxacan in it.

 

[MostlyMe]

Again, in my opinion, it will never happen by a commercial seed seller. It must be accomplished by a generous good intentioned hobby grower, who is lucky enough to stumble on a world class parent... twice.

This is never going to happen. The original hazes were selected from hundreds of plants. A hobby grower doesn't have the resources to do that. And luck doesn't exist, it's all the law of large numbers.

Also, I feel you are too negative about commercial breeders. There commercial commercial and there's the folks who turned a hobby into a business. While growing is increasingly decriminalized, I expect the weed market to diversify. Previously not worth the risk, those fine long-flowering sativas will get more love. And then wonderful things can happen!

 

[Adze]

But there are hundreds of us growing and all together thousands of plants. With time those numbers just grow, until what was a long shot becomes a likelihood.

 

[Waldgeist]

luck does exist and one can find a killer from a selection like 50 or 100 plants, even in a pack of ten or a single damn bagseed,
not with that attitude of course.

like the single 1€ scratchie that got me 300 in return, once, and yes - was never being able to replicate that again

never stop dreamin and sharin the love bros

the more, the better of course