The Search for Trip Weed

[satva]

If you could smoke one joint before you die what would it be? "Half a joint of Thai Buddha Stick to blast into orbit and half a joint of soaring Oaxacan for the final leg of your spiritual journey.

shivamouse, nice analogy!! How do we get there from here? Any suggestions on genetics / strains for a spiritual journey.

PS> I'm working Highland Thai x Highland Mexican.

 

[MostlyMe]

I feel the need to point out once more that the discoloration in trichomes has been shown not to be caused by cannabinoid degradation, but by terpene polymerization. There probably is a rough correlation between cannabinoid dynamics (for example THC -> CBN) and trichome status (if only for the amount of light received), but I would be cautious to start treating it as a fact.

If I were you, TB, I'd harvest in stages. Collect as much info as you can see what you can learn from that.

 

[Riddleme]

I feel the need to point out once more that the discoloration in trichomes has been shown not to be caused by cannabinoid degradation, but by terpene polymerization. There probably is a rough correlation between cannabinoid dynamics (for example THC -> CBN) and trichome status (if only for the amount of light received), but I would be cautious to start treating it as a fact.

If I were you, TB, I'd harvest in stages. Collect as much info as you can see what you can learn from that.

Can you link that study? please

 

[Gert Lush]

Hola Gang!

Been off the radar for a while, but still pootling along.
This time I've done a lot of more-or-less what idiit has done, i.e. cross Nepalese variants with extreme sativas. I've gone this route before, and can recommend it, find a good, meditational NepJam to cross with and your trippy bud will be quite fat!

So I have various crosses (sorry for not going into full detail) of a Greek sativa male given to me a good while back by a forum friend. It has been crossed, and in some cases back-crossed to variants of NepJap and a NepHighland cross donated by another forum friend. So they're fairly different, but all on a theme.

Last grow I tried a couple and they turned out even better than I expected, so I'm going for it again. A well-travelled friend described it as very similar to the best outdoor weed he could get in California, about 15-20 yrs ago. Not bad for an indoor. Another friend was quite surprised as it caused him to be unable to look at the posters he had hung up in his own room, because they had become too meaningful! LOL. OK, he was a bit of a light smoker, but all good stuff nevertheless. Personally, I found it highly motivating, social, and great for new approaches to old problems. Just the right amount of edge to keep things interesting.

I've also got a 303 in my little 200W grow, this is kinda my standard stash, these days. I let it veg waaay too much and cocked it up as a result. I have to bend buds back every day by hand (will be using weights soon) as the thing is way taller than its actual space, ha-hah. Ah, yes I've also run the (NepJamx303)x303 again along with the other Neps -- good plant, that one, very physically relaxing for a sat!

That and various others bits and bobs, just thought I'd drop by and say high.

Some really nice work in this thread, love the looks of that GNT MM...

 

[ThaiBliss]

Gert!

Glad to see you posting again, especially on The Search... thread. I'm glad to hear you still have the 303.

I'm doing the same thing, Nepalese x Trip, except using the more energetic Bangi Haze that I love. I hope to keep that as long as I can grow. So far, all others will be transitory. At least the ones that I have tested. I have high hopes as always though.

I friend grew a plant called Elvis, which is Greek origin I think, and crossed it with a Nor Cal strain. He regretted it, and has been trying to find that no couch lock soaring cerebral effect from its children ever since. Elvis had long skinny light green leaves with very jagged serrations like Thai or Angola green.

Please stop by often, and post pictures of what you are growing here, if you would. I'm too lazy to search much beyond this thread.


ThaiBliss

 

[yesum]

I feel the need to point out once more that the discoloration in trichomes has been shown not to be caused by cannabinoid degradation, but by terpene polymerization. There probably is a rough correlation between cannabinoid dynamics (for example THC -> CBN) and trichome status (if only for the amount of light received), but I would be cautious to start treating it as a fact.

If I were you, TB, I'd harvest in stages. Collect as much info as you can see what you can learn from that.

Great point. Have never heard it before. Still, I like to harvest most strains when there is not much amber on the calyxes. I ignore the sugar leaves as they amber up so early.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Day 31 GN Thai Stick Male

Day 31 GN Thai Stick Male

I believe I owed you some pics of my little boy TB, so I brought some for you to enjoy. I had just transplanted him into a 1 g container prior to these shots. He's doing great and been super easy to grow so far. As you can see in the pics, stretch clearly isn't an issue so far.

Whoever thought Thai were hard to tame indoors..? Of course I still have the flowering stretch to go through, so maybe Ill have egg on my face to worry about at that point. Time will tell. Expect future updates for these two everyone.

 

[MostlyMe]

Can you link that study? please

My bookmark is dead Pretty sure it was referring to a Paul Mahlberg study though. RC Clarkes Marijuana Botany also mentions it.

Polymerization of carbon-carbon double bonds - which feature frequently in terpenes - is organic chemistry 101 though.

 

[crazyfool*]

so did that ULTIMATE SATIVA get chopped??? ... looked preety much done to me.....lots of amber.... some clear....

 

[ThaiBliss]

Nope. The last pictures I posted were of a single fox-tail that I cut for testing purposes. I'll let you know when I smoke it. My guess is that I have a few weeks left to go.

 

[Waldgeist]

Plus, sometimes I assume or take for granted that growers should know the ratios and antagonistic relationships with nutes ? Your water may be low in Calcium which affects how much Mag to use the ratio should be 1 to 7 Cal to Mag so when adding Epsom salts this should be taken into consideration.

This is not directed at TB or anyone, I added it for new growers reading the thread

1 to 7 (parts?)
Cal to Mag

sure?

 

[Riddleme]

1 to 7 (parts?)
Cal to Mag

sure?

I dislexitised it lol

should be 7 to 1

http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/contain/msg082241593252.html?6

The development of the "basic cation saturation ratio" concept was based on the work of Bear and co-workers in New Jersey (Bear et al., 1945; Bear and Toth, 1948; Hunter, 1949; Hunter et al., 1943; Prince et al., 1947). A bulletin authored by Bear, Prince, and Malcolm (1945) introduced the ideal ratios with the following statement. "For the ‘ideal soil’, it is suggested that 65 per cent of the exchange complex should be occupied by calcium, 10 per cent by magnesium, 5 per cent by potassium, and 20 per cent by hydrogen." These percentages calculate to 13 parts of Ca to 2 of Mg to 1 of K.
Graham (1959) relaxed the optimum specific ratios by proposing that 65 to 85 percent of the cation exchange complex should be occupied by Ca, 6 to 12 percent by Mg, and 2 to 5 percent by K. More recently, Baker and Amacher (1981) defined normal values for the exchangeable cations as 60 to 80% for Ca, 10 to 20% for Mg, and 2 to 5% for K. Both bulletins were a general description of soil testing theory and procedures and experimental data were not cited.

 

[MostlyMe]

It happened yesterday: the trippy experience. I had a friend over, we drank some wine and each smoked a bowl of Zamaldelica (femmed). That had us entertained for a good 2 hours, after which I got some very fluffy lower buds of a recently harvested Bangi Haze. It was so little I had almost thrown it away, before deciding to just let it quick dry.

A bowl of that and I got a couple of fits of uncontrollable laughter, after which suddenly the music in the background started to morph and I felt like being on a higher plain of existence, like everything was more connected to me. Some weed makes you look at the world like it's less familiar somehow, this was the opposite... it was like everything was like it's supposed to be. Damn nice, I can tell you that! Shame it couldn't have lasted for more than a minute.

I told my friend about the experience, about this thread and how I had come barging in skeptically, but that I now was sure it was possible. He wanted to duplicate the experience, smoked a second bowl of Bangi and about 15 minutes later the also reported "feeling higher than high and oneness" - his literal words, but I couldn't get him to articulate it better.

Interesting how that little bit of (almost) waste could bring about this effect. Unfortunately, I don't think it is representative for the whole crop.

 

[ThaiBliss]

It happened yesterday: the trippy experience.

I'm glad that you are now experienced.


I believe I have said before that Bangi Haze dips it's little toe into the trippy pool. It sounds like it may have been a cocktail of things, or the timing of harvest that might have been the difference. Also, the Zamaldelica I have tried so far are strong, but some report what sounds like very trippy weed from the right phenotype. Perhaps that Bangi Haze adjusted the chemistry a bit for a flash effect. The important thing is that now you know it is possible. Smoking weed is generally fun, but I've been addicted for a lifetime to trying new strains (I don't smoke often) due to being very fortunate to have had a whole lot of early experiences with exceptional weed.

Now when you hear a lot of old farts who blather on about the old days, you have an inkling of why.

Congratulations MostlyMe.


ThaiBliss

 

[MostlyMe]

Yes, I am a believer now. Thank you sir, for opening my eyes

It could very well have been a combination. A little alcohol - 3-4 glasses of wine in my case - tends to increase the effect of a bowl or joint for me. My Zamaldelica is indeed a little trippy, but as a background thing. The Bangi... well we'll know more when my main buds have dried. They are in the jar now. I suppose the little fluffy buds I smoked were the least ripe and only saw shade, so perhaps they aren't like the main stash at all. Oh, and let's not forget the longer flowering pheno still finishing. Her pistills are dying en masse now.

 

[satva]

Destroyer

Destroyer

A couple of notes on Destroyer genetics. Appears to me that Destroyer is mostly Highland Meao Thai genetics and not 50% - 50% Meao Thai female x Mex/Colombian male. Charlie Garcia noted using a Mexican/Colombian male and nine Meao Thai females, but more recently Mr.Clean was the male used and he looks Thai dominate.

Mr Clean, the male in recent (?) Destroyer is pictured in this thread. Mr. Clean is a selection from within Destroyer genetics, I believe. He looks very Thai dominate to me.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219224

Destroyer may be closer to a Pure Thai than I thought - the effect is a Thai high. The nine Meao Thai females assures depth and variety of Highland Thai pheno-types within Destroyer's mostly Thailand genetics. Charlie Garcia noted - in the original (early) Destroyer breeding a Mexican / Colombian male pollinated nine Meao Thai females.

I just harvested two seeded Destroyer pheno-types at 13- 14 weeks from clone ~ mostly clear resin glands. The seeds were 75% mature and popping out of the calyxes. Sweet energetic effect from early harvested seeds / seeded flowers of what I call ~~~~
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - B.

 

[bushweed]

Hey TB, I just wanted to update you on the Copalita hermi. I harvested it 2 weeks ago when I saw the male pollen sacs, I guess it had been flowering about 8 weeks after 1 month veg. I was very surprised by the nice euphoric head on the smoke, it was very nice - lemony taste, uber positive, strong euphoria, was a little bit like being happily drunk - not speedy, but intellectually stimulating. I went to an art gallery opening and was successfully sociable, which can be a struggle for me. Anyway I like it very much, so I have a non-hermi female in reveg atm, so I'll look forward to harvesting that in 4 months or so. OK buddy, just out of interest the MM/Thai78 is destroying competition in the smoke dept. I spent saturday smoking sativa salad hash in a bong, but it was only when I partook of a joint from this shit below that the doors off perception were blown wide open. Wow, what great gear!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Bushweed,

Thanks for your post. I'm glad to hear that the initials test on Copalita is promising. I hope the other one you have growing turns out even better. From your description of the circumstances of harvest, it seems like it was harvested very early. Since I harvested at 17 weeks of flowering, about double of the time your harvest took place, and your description sounds better than my experience, I'm guessing it may be a good idea to not let this strain get too ripe. I'm still holding out for positive changes with the cure.

You Thai78 x MM sounds awesome. Very nice pictures also.

ThaiBliss

 

[crazyfool*]

Nope. The last pictures I posted were of a single fox-tail that I cut for testing purposes. I'll let you know when I smoke it. My guess is that I have a few weeks left to go.

OMG bro! i think that is the most extreme and extensive indoor cultivar I´ve seen..... i´ve grown some long flowering colombians outdoor, but never went past 26 weeks!

awsome job man! for real...30+ weeks indoor deserves so much respect! hahaha

 

[mr. gt]

Hey TB. I saw in the 'other thread' (flush thread) your 25 week strain. Lets get some updates! I cant believe its been 25 weeks of flower already!! I feel as long as I had some other strains going, I could possibly hold off! haha



~mr. gt