The Search for Trip Weed

[bushweed]

Yes, I'm freaking out a bit. But half of it is that the flowering plant has enough resin now that I'm drooling and can't hardly wait. If I didn't have several more plants to test, I'd be cutting a fox-tail, flash drying, and testing. LOL.

Hi TB,

It's no surprise the GN Thai x NHMM is taking so long, the mother was the longest flowering plant I've seen, and that's as a clone. It went to the equivalent of February outdoors. The NHxMM father I can't say much about (I didn't smoke test it - I'm lucky to get 1 in 10 sativas being male, so I use what I have), but the females went 14-16 weeks and smoked like a good Nevil's Hz with amazing consistency - not a weak pheno out of four - not something I could say about MNS Nevil's Hz (not to be critical, that's just the facts).

I'd counsel against flash drying and smoking her straight away. Only after 6 months have mine started to show their true colors. Gold buds with a hazey, citrus, minty/pineapple sweetness that improves as it burns down to the roach. Before now it's been a little racey/edgy with an almost indica heaviness. It is now blissful, euphoric and up!

That sweet limonene Bangi sounds gorgeous. I have those scents in a MM/Thai78 that is my habitual afternoon smoke. A smooth sweet lemon taste and the high leaves me happy with life. Mildly trippy, but clear, spiritual and irie!

Blessings man, looking forward to seeing Rita Marley (Miss Jamaica 1960) soon.

@ Hi satva, I have found Mango (myrcene) in some Thais, Colombians as well many Haze/indica hybrids. The NHxMM has a high number of Mango phenos. The best Mango Hz I had was a pure Mango taste. I read somewhere that it is the most common terpene in ganja. Shantibaba stated that it is also common in Cambodian herb.

Just had a look at some of Charlie's latest pure haze I'm growing - such an elegant thin leaf structure.

Umm I also have some 13 finger Thai that has crazy characteristics and pushing 10 feet.

 

[Dave Coulier]

Hey TB, Ive had fun before with some long flowering sativas, but nothing beyond 140 days. Im sure the Thais are likely to eclipse that. They'll be getting very close attention throughout their lives. Im gonna enjoy the challenge. Having them on 12/12 from start hopefully will help. I may even have to alter it to 12.5 or 13 to accomodate them.

Now, I believe you mentioned something about pictures...? The first two are of the very first plant I showed. The last two are my other two.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi TB,

It's no surprise the GN Thai x NHMM is taking so long, the mother was the longest flowering plant I've seen, and that's as a clone. It went to the equivalent of February outdoors.

This has to be a leaner towards the mother with respect to flowering longevity.

The NHxMM father I can't say much about (I didn't smoke test it - I'm lucky to get 1 in 10 sativas being male, so I use what I have), but the females went 14-16 weeks and smoked like a good Nevil's Hz with amazing consistency - not a weak pheno out of four - not something I could say about MNS Nevil's Hz (not to be critical, that's just the facts).

Sounds like a good father also.

I'd counsel against flash drying and smoking her straight away. Only after 6 months have mine started to show their true colors. Gold buds with a hazey, citrus, minty/pineapple sweetness that improves as it burns down to the roach. Before now it's been a little racey/edgy with an almost indica heaviness. It is now blissful, euphoric and up!

In all honesty, I've never noticed more than subtle differences in high from well cured weed, but what I have noticed, I liked. I don't have a lot of experience with real pure Sativas, so I appreciate the advice. The Oaxacan is going to need significant change if I'm going to keep it. I'll keep it in a cool place, and try and forget about it. I may test the Thai, and if it is racy, I'll consider it a very good sign. I surely won't make snap judgments after working on it for so long. RandyCalifornia says his Zamal x Thai x Neville's Haze was worth the 6 months flowering, and worth again the 6 months more of cure.

That sweet limonene Bangi sounds gorgeous. I have those scents in a MM/Thai78 that is my habitual afternoon smoke. A smooth sweet lemon taste and the high leaves me happy with life. Mildly trippy, but clear, spiritual and irie!

Blessings man, looking forward to seeing Rita Marley (Miss Jamaica 1960) soon.

I'd take a picture of Rita now, but she is not looking so good at the moment. It is showing signs of root restrictions. Plus the tops of the plant are above the lights, and curling. I have a huge pot for it when it goes into flowering. I have to show Dave Coulier that I can grow a healthy looking plant.


B.T.W. Dave, loving the seedlings so far. Good job. It's funny. I'm so used to 9 - 12 weeks of flowering. 17 weeks was no sweat for the Oaxacan, since it is such an unusual strain. But it is starting to hurt me after 20 weeks.


I smoke only occasionally. It is not uncommon for me to go a month or two without smoking. Once, I did not have any around, and I started to get nervous, like withdrawals. This is what it is feeling like to me waiting for this to finish. Perhaps it is that I think it may have the Thai vibe that I have been missing for the last decade. I did not know I missed it so much until I had that special Neville's Haze 10 years ago.

Just had a look at some of Charlie's latest pure haze I'm growing - such an elegant thin leaf structure.

Umm I also have some 13 finger Thai that has crazy characteristics and pushing 10 feet.

Awesome. I can't wait for your pictures to start coming in.


ThaiBliss

 

[mr. gt]

Hey, have you guys checked out this thread? https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=295624 Its about the early amber gene. The gentleman thinks its where the trippy comes from.

 

[yoss33]

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In all honesty, I've never noticed more than subtle differences in high from well cured weed, but what I have noticed, I liked.
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Hi, man! Most buds are like this, their effect is essentially the same after a few weeks in the jar. And then there are those sativas that really shine after at least 6 months of cure. I started to like Zamaldelica's effects only after 9 months of cure. Didn't like it at 3 months, not even at 6 months. But at 9 months I was surprised to see that it started to become more positive and extrovert.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi, man! Most buds are like this, their effect is essentially the same after a few weeks in the jar. And then there are those sativas that really shine after at least 6 months of cure. I started to like Zamaldelica's effects only after 9 months of cure. Didn't like it at 3 months, not even at 6 months. But at 9 months I was surprised to see that it started to become more positive and extrovert.

Hi Yoss,

That is good to hear about Zamaldelica. I want to grow more of those because I think there is good potential there. Next time, I'll wait even longer to decide about that one.

I do have a question though: Did you detect some degree of differences in mind expanding nature (positive and extrovert) between those Zamaldelica individuals at an early stage? If so, were those individuals also more expansive, relative to the others, at the end of the 9 months?

Mr. GT - Thanks for that link. I skimmed briefly, and found your quote from yet another thread the most interesting. I subscribed, and I'll read carefully at another time. I am surprised that this subject has not come up in this, "The Search for...", thread. I have definite thoughts on this subject.

I don't think that there is a perfect correlation of trippiness to the color of ripe or unripe resins. However, significantly more than half of the top 10 strains I have ever grown had some unusual coloring. Most often the color is clear piss yellow in the early stages of resin development, which I don't even let get so ripe as to become cloudy amber, or they don't turn cloudy amber.

Bangi Haze is an example of a new type for me. I noticed that Bangi Haze is clear until near ripe, then goes through a stage of cloudy piss yellow just before it turns cloudy amber (red/brown). I think the time to cut that strain is during the cloudy piss yellow phase, but when most are still clear.

One of the top 3 strains I ever grew was also the fastest ripening. It was done in an amazing 5 weeks time. I don't remember if it started out clear or with color, but at the time of harvest, it was clear copper color. Perhaps this is what Riddleme was calling clear red amber.

The best weed, and the only one that had psilocybin like trippiness, I ever grew had simple clear resins throughout flowering.

What I have growing now, GNT x NHz x MM, started out with piss yellow clear, but is most notable in my mind for having cloudy milky looking resins for probably 4 months time without turning amber at all! It could be because the way I happened to grow it this time, with extremely low nutrient levels. It has gone through phases where the resin levels dramatically increase, and seem to become less cloudy for a brief time, but quickly get cloudy again.

As a side note, I use magnesium sulfate (Epsom Salt) in my nutrient solution like Riddleme does. I used to be convinced that this was my secret to great weed back when it was more common for me to grow high quality potent weed. Since it has been so long for me since I have grown really potent weed, I have been beginning to question this.


This is a fascinating subject to me. I have seen pictures on ICMAG of people with plants that have purple resins. I have seen slightly blue resins, but I think it is from pictures using a camera in my scope that has LED lighting that has a bluish color.

Mr. GT, what is your personal experience with resin colors and highs?

ThaiBliss

 

[yoss33]

Hi Yoss,

That is good to hear about Zamaldelica. I want to grow more of those because I think there is good potential there. Next time, I'll wait even longer to decide about that one.

I do have a question though: Did you detect some degree of differences in mind expanding nature (positive and extrovert) between those Zamaldelica individuals at an early stage? If so, were those individuals also more expansive, relative to the others, at the end of the 9 months?
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I've had most experience with Z#2 harvested prematurely and Z#5 grown at my friend's balcony. Smoked Z#6 and Z#1 (again from the balcony) at several occasions but honestly they didn't leave any impression on me, they were harvested later - in November and didn't have a sharp energetic effect.
Both Z#2 and Z#5 felt strong and trippy right from the start, but Z#5 had a very clear and wicked type of high. It was moving the psyche much deeper (true psychedelic effect) against Z#2's more usual energetic, mental yet introvert type of high.
With the cure progressing, both plants acquired a more easy effect, not so introvert in Z#2's case, and not so scary in Z#5's case. Maybe Z#5 lost part of its uniqueness in the process, but became easier to handle and more seductive to reach for its ceiling. This individual had very impressing effect anyways, both cured and uncured.

Hope these descriptions make sense

 

[mr. gt]

Thanks for taking the time to look into my response TB.

I honestly don't have much personal experience and am quite young compared to many on here. I have had the pleasure of completing 4 total indoor harvests within the past 4 years, due to living circumstances. I just bought my first house in Co and will be moving there by mid next year where I hope to start a great thread of my own.

Everything I learned was through research on this site and the old OG. I mean hours and hours of being slightly.... obsessed? with growing this plant and its effects.




The newest thing I learned was about the different Terpenes and how the trippy 'gene' may be associated with this plant ( https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=295057 ) Possibly in the future we can do a Terpene test and figure out which one or ones make us feel trippy. The day we can extract each Terpene will be one hell of a day....



My personal experience with 'trippy' weed is that I know for a fact it is out there. I've smoked weed in the NYC suburbs for the past 8 years. I have smoked trippy weed that is definitely comparable to some mushroom/lsd trips I've had.


I would like to note that I do believe there is different 'levels' or possibly effects of trippy weed.

I've had weed where I've had visuals change and everything is in high contrast and things look cartoonish. This, I belive, if smoked or even dabbed could lead to a lot of fun, hence the reason I am subbed to this thread.



I am not too fond of breeding, yet at least, and am hoping to find the elite of elites. Just like the thread I started in my sig. I am a true believer that what we want is already out there, except for when strains like gg#4 come out and shatter my theory.

Anyways, I will lurk on and wish all of you luck!


~mr. gt


ps: please read that article I quoted ( http://growhappyplants.com/look.html ) <-- That is also Riddleme's website

and another quote from Riddleme:

"I bring out the early amber with light timing and nutes (sulfur) so I look for it in every plant I grow "

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The light timing he is referring to is the 11 on / 13 off or anywhere in between. I found Riddleme in the discussion about Dj Shorts work with photo - period by 'dialing in' certain sativa's by Dj changing light on/off times by 15 - 30 min each go around. ( https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=295164 )

A Dj short quote that has stuck with me is:

"Short said, and slowed down his voice: "For your bud cycle: 11 hours on, 13 off. OK? What will happen first and foremost is that you will see phenotypic expressions that you will never see with the 12/12."


I keep a lot of this info in my head and when I actually type a response sometimes I have too much to say. I hope I don't bore the masses.

 

[gardenlover]

so I did not reed all 48 pages and this has probably been said numerous times, but I too also love sativas and think crossing any good sativas like Oaxacan with anything south african for the added triply effect! That actually sounds pretty good. Durban x Oaxacan. then maybe cross to thai.

 

[ThaiBliss]

My personal experience with 'trippy' weed is that I know for a fact it is out there. I've smoked weed in the NYC suburbs for the past 8 years. I have smoked trippy weed that is definitely comparable to some mushroom/lsd trips I've had.

You are experienced more than most if you have had some like this. It is not hard to find plenty of skeptics.

The light timing he is referring to is the 11 on / 13 off or anywhere in between. I found Riddleme in the discussion about Dj Shorts work with photo - period by 'dialing in' certain sativa's by Dj changing light on/off times by 15 - 30 min each go around. ( https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=295164 )

A Dj short quote that has stuck with me is:

"Short said, and slowed down his voice: "For your bud cycle: 11 hours on, 13 off. OK? What will happen first and foremost is that you will see phenotypic expressions that you will never see with the 12/12."

I think this is excellent advice. I've gone too far, by reducing to a 10/14 light cycle and ruined good batch of weed. This cycle has been 11.5/12.5 for all but the past few weeks, where I have reduced it to 11/13. After seeing this quote from DJ, I'm going to double check to see I am precisely at 11 hours of light or a bit longer.

I wonder how many good strains I have let slip through my fingers by not being as precise as I should have. I don't remember how long it took me to settle in on the 11 to 12 hours of light that I have finally settled in on.

GardenLover - From people's descriptions, Durban sounds like my kind of weed, but the one I tried was no good or I screwed it up. I wonder just how much of the traits of the Bangi Haze that I love is from the Congolese, and how much is from the Nepalese.

Yoss33 - Thanks for going into the detail about your experience with Zamaldelica. That #5 sounds great. Not only for the deep seated trippy, but also because it changes over the time of the cure. It makes it more interesting that way.

Take Care All,

ThaiBliss

 

[Shooters]

Funny that I am on the same quest for that old school trippy weed. I've been growing Lionheart for the past four years or so from some surprise seeds, but went and picked up some Zamaldelica to try and breed some trippy into the Lion. The lionheart strain is a creative, uplifting high that you can smoke all day everyday all year long and it never leaves you with that next morning fog like the indicas leave as an unpleasant side effect. No couch lock and no munchies, certainly no paranoia from that strain.

I have just started my first Lionheart Zamaldelica cross, I'm hoping the two will yield that perfect trippy sativa high.

 

[Waldgeist]

Zamaldelica #6



Zamaldelica #4



...

 

[Waldgeist]

... Zamaldelica #4



both outdoor, 50N

#6 indoor



ah was about to write when it throw me out ... grrr




I try to give an objective smoke analysis ;-), my tolerance is high towards hazy side of hybrids and i smoke not much indica related stuff lately. I smoked small hits in a glass pipe.

#4:
- smell is old wood and oil with carrot/earth and anise backgrounds
- taste quite rude but soft, mix of wood and old musk -almost rotten
- high is instant, pronounced introvert and confusing, cold feeling like something bad happened, stuck in thoughts
potent and long duration(1g - 3hrs +), missing euphoria, strong apetite, red eyes, ends tired

#6(od):
- smell is strong spicy/sharp/oil, like pepper with woody/greasy background, slight citric tones
- taste of spices, sharp inhale and expansive
- high is instant warm energetic rush, crazy, feel very connected to current actions- like tunnels all your energy to it
no apetite. caught myself grinning to both ears without any reasons while trying to write this down here, this happens not very often
to me lately ;-) also long duration, found no ceiling with this one so far

#6(in):
- smell is very strong spicy/sharp/lemony, like pepper with woody background, citric tones much stronger like chemical
lemon cleaner
- taste of spices and lemon, sharp inhale and fuckin expansive
- high is same like od#6 but twice as potent, tight chest and bit of paranoia possible, the rush is quite insane- almost feels like
good coca.

thats the strongest up high i got in a long time.

#6 goes to my hall of fame, hehe

this pheno showed slow vegetative vigor and some minor autoflowering tendence, slight double serrations and red leaf stalks, high phosphate demand, very thin flexible stems.

all other zamaldelicas, including a feminized I had, were very different in terpene profile and general plant expression.

 

[ThaiBliss]

TRIP WEED!

TRIP WEED!

#6(od):
- smell is strong spicy/sharp/oil, like pepper with woody/greasy background, slight citric tones
- taste of spices, sharp inhale and expansive
- high is instant warm energetic rush, crazy, feel very connected to current actions- like tunnels all your energy to it
no appetite. caught myself grinning to both ears without any reasons while trying to write this down here, this happens not very often
to me lately ;-) also long duration, found no ceiling with this one so far

#6(in):
- smell is very strong spicy/sharp/lemony, like pepper with woody background, citric tones much stronger like chemical
lemon cleaner
- taste of spices and lemon, sharp inhale and fuckin expansive
- high is same like od#6 but twice as potent, tight chest and bit of paranoia possible, the rush is quite insane- almost feels like
good coca.

Congratulations Waldgeist, I think you found trip weed.


Those are some beautiful buds you have grown. Thanks much for the very nice smoke reports. The ones I have grown felt very much like your #4, but I keep hearing about the #6 type, which sound exactly like what I have been looking for. I have plenty of seeds, I just have to find it by growing more of them.

These are the phrases that describe the genetics that I am looking for:

"...warm energetic rush... ...feel very connected to current actions... ...caught myself grinning to both ears without any reasons..."

I have to find one of these.


So many questions. Do you have any ideas about why the indoor bud was so much stronger? Did they spend similar amounts of time flowering. Was there a big difference in average temperature. Was it cloudy outside much of the time? Did you keep a cutting of #6?

If I might offer a bit of advice... If you have a cutting, I would be very careful to try prevent it from auto-flowering. Keep it in a large pot, and keep taking new cuttings. After you create a younger cutting, I would experiment with the old cutting by repotting after trimming back the roots. Make seeds! Hopefully you have a good male, something consistent without any couch-lock or sedative qualities. Then, if you find another Zamaldelica female with the same qualities, you can breed back to the line to reinforce the trippiness.



I'm jealous!

ThaiBliss

 

[HatchBrew]

Thanks for the invite ThaiBliss. Lots to read and see here!! Awesome stuff!

Little intro about my sativa endeavors: Have 2 Gypsy Nirvana Khmer Gold in veg right now. Flipping first of december. Here's 'Bopha' last week:

They're un-sexed, but have clones of each. Keep pollen, flower this female.

Popping Gypsy Nirvana Luang Prabang Lao pack next. Lots of other things going on, but as per sativa this is what I'm working on.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks for the invite ThaiBliss. Lots to read and see here!! Awesome stuff!

Thanks for posting and the good vibes.


I have copied your picture of the Khmer Gold and shared it with friends because it looks like a Thai plant I grew back in the early 1980s. Seeing your picture brought back good memories. I can't wait to see how this plant develops for you.

ThaiBliss

 

[satva]

Highland Thai x Highland Mexican.
Search for bliss continues.........



Destroyer seeded flowertop - Destroyer x Highland Mexican f1 ~ (HT x HM - A) seeds shown
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican (HT x HM - A) seedling's first look at snow on the Rocky Mountains.
Destroyer x PCK-2 red stems.
Destroyer x PCK-2 / HMBB f2 (HT X HM -B) seeds forming. (shown sideways) ,lol> ain't technology magical?
Highland Mexican male f1 ~ male 1972 Highland Guerrero side of the family, maybe? High hopes for magic in this male.

PS> Waldgeist - nice Zamedelica project! I cure in glass for four months before I draw conclusions. I'm very interested in the indoor vs. outdoor differences on ZM #6. Some notes on Malawi effect are scary. Does Zamadleica contain Meao Thai?

Peace

 

[Waldgeist]

Hey TB,

Im happy you enjoyed my report, thanks friend!

Ill stash the rest of #6 away now, its somewhat addictive to say the least

Do you have any ideas about why the indoor bud was so much stronger?
Yes, definately the sheer amount of light/radiation that was evenly delivered throughout flowering indoors compared to the cold and cloudy outdoor conditions.
If it will be even better when flowered on 11/13 or 12/12 instead of 10/14(what I did), must be tried now.

But when 11/13 or 11.20/12.40 is considered optimum to show sativa traits in hybrids that contain, me thinks pure tropical strains/landrace and hybrids of them (maybe not all, just some of them that contain certain genes ...) could use somewhat less to make us happy.

Did they spend similar amounts of time flowering?
Indoor flowered to the exact of 87 days. outdoors it started around mid august and 'finished' late oktober, 75 days.

Was there a big difference in average temperature?
Indoor its always ~ 18-23°C , L/H. Outdoors, the temperature got never above 22°C while flowering, crazy 6°C nights in august, oktober was a total desaster- counted one single day with 3 hrs ongoing sunlight.

Was it cloudy outside much of the time? yes a very cloudy, cold and rainy season.

Did you keep a cutting of #6?
YES. CUTTINGS.
I keep a mom, friend keeps a mom, strunk with some flowers left in gardenhouse - I try to reveg in spring and a pollinated one (with Panama#5) that is still standing but in full stagnance.

Thanks much for your advice, i like all contributions towards rootpruning, renewing mums and on!
Shes not that critical here, I have her in coco now which works much better in controlling the 'rootboundness' compared to soil.
Its seems very important to put a clone instantly to a pot when roots show, otherwise it starts pushing pistillate in the plug like crazy and goes to a somewhat stagnant mode without any signs of vigor when trying to veg it then.
think my ghana males could be a nice option for her, I keep 3 papa ghanas
the panama, im very unsure as all females i had made me more tired than high, but then the male I keep has a different profile (lemon/pine) ...

you know my ghana #11 girl went hermie around 34 days flowering.
I dried and smoked it.(a few calyx, some stalks and leaves, you would call it trim) it taste ugly. it smelled spice. but, I swear, it made me smile.

best regards

 

[Gry]

A neat read if nothing more: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=295998

 

[MostlyMe]

The Destroyer is fattening This is at 8 weeks 11/13. In the same same tent a Bangi Haze is getting ready to finish:

@Waldgeist: damn you, man! Now I want to order Zamaldelica regs but I already have so much stock I can't ever grow it all!