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Hi TB, update on the preflowering copalitas - they haven't stopped flowering yet, but boy do they ever look like a haze/indica hybrid, maybe early 90s NLHz or SSH. Could be something special...
Hi Bushy,
Thanks for keeping in touch about that Oaxacan. The one seed I grew had a very distinctive spicy/musty aroma that is distinctly Mexican. I have a lot of experience with it because when I first started smoking weed, almost all of it came from Mexico, being that Mexico is our immediate neighbor to the south. Colombian was the next source for us when they started spraying Cannabis with Paraquat in Mexico. Colombian weed was the only other weed I have smoked that had anything similar at all to that Mexican mustiness, but the Colombian leaned more towards an earthy smell, and it also had a sweetness to it. I'll know more when I smoke it because Mexican weed is also distinctive for its happy/euphoric effect. B.T.W., as well as the spicy/musty aroma, it also has a minty/menthol aroma near harvest time. The only other plant I have grown that I thought was Oaxacan, was not musty, but had the same menthol aroma. In extremely light doses, it smell fresh, like after a thunderstorm.
It really surprises me that yours is flowering like an Indica. I'm pretty far north, but only 50 miles from the Pacific ocean. Even though the local ocean current is cold, it still is warm enough that we have fairly mild winters for this latitude. So, even when growing Indicas, we can start them as early as February. For most years, they can be protected from mild freezes using a bed of compost and a plastic greenhouse film. They don't flower even starting with about 10 hours of light, as long as the length of the nights are always getting shorter. However, care must be taken to avoid any artificial light pollution that will mess up the schedule. I'm far enough north that the solar cycle is simple. The days are always getting longer from late December, and always getting shorter from late June.
Are you close enough to the equator that there are two daylight shortening periods during one year? Have the Oaxacans been exposed to shortening light periods at all since they were days old? Possible artificial light pollution? If you like the smoke, perhaps it would work for you if you start the seeds a couple months later than you did this time. You would know better than I, if you have experience with growing Indicas where you are.
Waldgeist - Thanks for posting that beautiful Ghana. That Zamaldelica looks really fine. Was that grown outside, and is done before November? If so, that is really good news for me. I could grow that in a greenhouse here. I've tried quite a few strains lately, and Zamaldelica is one of a very few that I will try again. It is strong, and trippy. The couple that I have tried are a bit too energy sapping for my liking, but I think I might find one that I like, because others are reporting phenotypes from it that are "like pure coffee". I also don't like the auto-flowering due to root restriction. However, if it is done by November, and I cross it with the Bangi Haze I like, it might get done early enough to grow outside here, and some might not have the auto-flowering root restriction tendency. Lot's of potential in that one.
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Highland Thai x Highland Mexican
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican
Hi Thai, looking forward to testing and reporting on Destroyer / Pakistani (DS/PCK-2). Then remembered last night, oh I forgot jury duty, selection begins at 8 am. Go stoned, dismissal guaranteed - 1/2 a brownie breakfast, I'm good to go........"But No, wait......
The judge ask the women next to me, "What your son's occupation?"
The women proudly reports, "My son owns a Marijuana Dispensary." The judge smiles and nodes her approval. The courtroom nodding in unison, "We're sure -- he's making more money than any of us."
Breeding goal: Soften the energy and mental intensity of Destroyer.
DS/PCK- 1 (thin leaf Highland Thai dominate, sativa effect of DS f2)
DS/PCK - 2 (thin leaf Highland Thai dominate, sativa effect / softer)
DS/PCK -3 (medium leaf Pakistani dominate indica/sativa effect)
DS/PCK smoke report. The daughter shown in early flower. Flower tops harvested at + 18 weeks, 5 month cure, Late harvest to add dimension and complexity to a very cerebral sativa effect. In all the three phenotypes ~ euphoria feel good very spacious dreamy, soft and wavy energy. The mental energy is soft and flowing, not as clear or as active as Destroyer.
Charlie Garcia said, " Jamacian is Rock and Roll, Destroyer is jazz."
Then I say "DS/PCK - 3" is the Rhapsody in Blue. Grounded, spiritual, euphoric, and stoned.
DS/PCK- 1 similar to Destroyer mother, the effect of Highland Thai clear, trippy, focused, concentrated, energetic, cool and scientific.
DS/PCK-2 is - Jazz + Blues, clear upbeat and uplifted, with Pakistani warmth. Flowers dried: Sage/Citrus/Floral
DS/PCK- 3 The Pakistani has spirituality with mind and body stone. Pakistani selection - thinnest leaf / branchy structure. DS/PCK-3 is good night time smoke.
DS/PCK-2: Smoke report follows:
Vaporization flavor on low temperature flavor initially is mango, then incense, with a bit of citrus in-between, all very light and uplifting. I find mango terpenes in Mango Haze, and Highland Mexican. I'm pretty excited to find the Highland Mexican curing from citrus to mango. The incense terpene must be stoney. Tasting incense " My mind always goes hum........I'll never forget that!" Vaporizing at low temperatures takes the THC THCV "psychedelic" terpenes. That's what I did vaporized 1/6 of a gram at low temperatures, very trippy and sativa effect.
Raising the temperature and vaporizing the same 1/6 gram you'd get more indica terpenes similar effect to smoking. Taking only first terpenes at low temperature ~ 280 degrees Fahrenheit, yields an exquisite sativa effect. If you vaporize 1/2 gram of those first Mango + incense terpenes, you'll be soaring. Mango Haze is excellent to smoke this way. Mango and rose is the Mango Haze I like. mango + citrus is common terpene profile. Incense terpene is not common in Highland Mexican.
DS/PCK-2 has good energy flow,warm energetic, happy content. Get for chores and gardening, less cerebral than Highland Thai in a pleasant way.
Smoked DS/PCK 1 + DS/PCK -2 on Tuesday night, no wait its Wednesday, how did it get to be 5 am, I've got things to do ~~~ no time for sleep.
Highland Thai/Mexican/Colombian x Pakistanti (HT) (Highland Thai mother)
Highland Mexican x Blueberry (Highland Thai/Highland Mexican) (Highland Mexican HM father)
Next up:
HT/HM - A
HT/HM - B
Highland Mexican HM f3 - looking for Highland Guerrero dominate phenotype.
Highland Thai x Highland Mexican
Hi Thai, looking forward to testing and reporting on Destroyer / Pakistani (DS/PCK-2). Then remembered last night, oh I forgot jury duty, selection begins at 8 am. Go stoned, dismissal guaranteed - 1/2 a brownie breakfast, I'm good to go........"But No, wait......
The judge ask the women next to me, "What your son's occupation?"
The women proudly reports, "My son owns a Marijuana Dispensary." The judge smiles and nodes her approval. The courtroom nodding in unison, "We're sure -- he's making more money than any of us."
Breeding goal: Soften the energy and mental intensity of Destroyer.
DS/PCK- 1 (thin leaf Highland Thai dominate, sativa effect of DS f2)
DS/PCK - 2 (thin leaf Highland Thai dominate, sativa effect / softer)
DS/PCK -3 (medium leaf Pakistani dominate indica/sativa effect)
DS/PCK smoke report. The daughter shown in early flower. Flower tops harvested at + 18 weeks, 5 month cure, Late harvest to add dimension and complexity to a very cerebral sativa effect. In all the three phenotypes ~ euphoria feel good very spacious dreamy, soft and wavy energy. The mental energy is soft and flowing, not as clear or as active as Destroyer.
Charlie Garcia said, " Jamacian is Rock and Roll, Destroyer is jazz."
Then I say "DS/PCK - 3" is the Rhapsody in Blue. Grounded, spiritual, euphoric, and stoned.
DS/PCK- 1 similar to Destroyer mother, the effect of Highland Thai clear, trippy, focused, concentrated, energetic, cool and scientific.
DS/PCK-2 is - Jazz + Blues, clear upbeat and uplifted, with Pakistani warmth. Flowers dried: Sage/Citrus/Floral
DS/PCK- 3 The Pakistani has spirituality with mind and body stone. Pakistani selection - thinnest leaf / branchy structure. DS/PCK-3 is good night time smoke.
DS/PCK-2: Smoke report follows:
Vaporization flavor on low temperature flavor initially is mango, then incense, with a bit of citrus in-between, all very light and uplifting. I find mango terpenes in Mango Haze, and Highland Mexican. I'm pretty excited to find the Highland Mexican curing from citrus to mango. The incense terpene must be stoney. Tasting incense " My mind always goes hum........I'll never forget that!" Vaporizing at low temperatures takes the THC THCV "psychedelic" terpenes. That's what I did vaporized 1/6 of a gram at low temperatures, very trippy and sativa effect.
Raising the temperature and vaporizing the same 1/6 gram you'd get more indica terpenes similar effect to smoking. Taking only first terpenes at low temperature ~ 280 degrees Fahrenheit, yields an exquisite sativa effect. If you vaporize 1/2 gram of those first Mango + incense terpenes, you'll be soaring. Mango Haze is excellent to smoke this way. Mango and rose is the Mango Haze I like. mango + citrus is common terpene profile. Incense terpene is not common in Highland Mexican.
DS/PCK-2 has good energy flow,warm energetic, happy content. Get for chores and gardening, less cerebral than Highland Thai in a pleasant way.
Smoked DS/PCK 1 + DS/PCK -2 on Tuesday night, no wait its Wednesday, how did it get to be 5 am, I've got things to do ~~~ no time for sleep.
Highland Thai/Mexican/Colombian x Pakistanti (HT) (Highland Thai mother)
Highland Mexican x Blueberry (Highland Thai/Highland Mexican) (Highland Mexican HM father)
Next up:
HT/HM - A
HT/HM - B
Highland Mexican HM f3 - looking for Highland Guerrero dominate phenotype.
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sourpuss
Thaibliss, funny im already thinking and curious about what your gonna run next year.. a strain of trip relevance to me is satori, wondering if youve ever run or smoked the stuff? Personally ive never knowingly tried it. Prob never have. Also burmese sativa, the highland mex mentioned above, mr hightest... seems chimera breeds along the lines of what you like. His sweet skunk crosses got a real old school hawaiian strain aswell.
I think the satori could be the strain you e been looking for... and me.... gotta grab some. Would love your feedback or anyone else here cause your all trip heads one of you have had to run it....
Interesting breeding there satva.. is destroyer highland mex?
I think the satori could be the strain you e been looking for... and me.... gotta grab some. Would love your feedback or anyone else here cause your all trip heads one of you have had to run it....
Interesting breeding there satva.. is destroyer highland mex?
Hi TB, I'm at a latitude south that is similar to what Oaxaca is in the north, so I'm truly baffled. Anyway I'm interested to see if they continue flowering, or hopefully start to reveg. Don't take it personally amigo, it's definitely no big deal to me, like you everything I grow is solely for my own use. I do find with many Thais and Thai dom strains that they display the early stages of flowering throughout their lifecycle, but continue to vegetate at normal rates.
Hi Satva, Destroyer x HMxBB sounds like a logical high end cross. I consider them the two best reported sativa hybrids since the late 80s/early 90s dutch haze hybrids. I tend to make poly hybrid crosses like this only through necessity, because I find so few males outdoors in a subtropical climate, so I have to out cross with what I have. For instance, this season I have germinated 20 plants from which I have found 2 males (definitely bespeaks the fluidity of sexual expression in many sativas). Generally I'd prefer to make f2s and fully explore a particular line, but that would necessitate running large numbers of one strain, and we all know the quandary of having so many desirable strains with limited space to grow them. So I err on the side of variety. I admire guys like infinitesimal and billyblog who run high numbers of the same strain, which is important for preservation. If you were part of a local collective each individual could do that and then share their wares. That would be the way forward.
Hi Satva, Destroyer x HMxBB sounds like a logical high end cross. I consider them the two best reported sativa hybrids since the late 80s/early 90s dutch haze hybrids. I tend to make poly hybrid crosses like this only through necessity, because I find so few males outdoors in a subtropical climate, so I have to out cross with what I have. For instance, this season I have germinated 20 plants from which I have found 2 males (definitely bespeaks the fluidity of sexual expression in many sativas). Generally I'd prefer to make f2s and fully explore a particular line, but that would necessitate running large numbers of one strain, and we all know the quandary of having so many desirable strains with limited space to grow them. So I err on the side of variety. I admire guys like infinitesimal and billyblog who run high numbers of the same strain, which is important for preservation. If you were part of a local collective each individual could do that and then share their wares. That would be the way forward.
Waldgeist
Active member
TB, that last picture was not grown outside, its this bud after 6 days drying ...
the outside zamaldelica #6 is still standing in hope it will fatten up its calyx a bit more.
it has the same very sharp citric smell and in addition a kind of soapy background i have not gotten indoors from her.
considering the lat, the temperature lows around 4°C right now and the poor light she recieved the last 2 months, its quite impressive, imho.
best regards!
Satva - Man, your post has just convinced me that I should get some Destroyer. I sure like the direction you are going with Highland Thai and Highland Mexican. Those buds cured real nice with that golden reddish brown color. It looks like the Copalita I just harvested could go that direction. Good work!
Sourpuss - I have an old 60s Jamaican strain in the wings waiting for that Aussie mostly Thai strain to finish. I have some others that I need to get to also. I want to try the Zamaldelica again. Punto Rojo Colombian is calling my name, even though it may be a bit off my quest, I have such fond memories of a few different Colombian strains from my youth. Charlie Garcia mentioned that he found some very energetic individuals that he bred out of Punto Rojo while breeding his line. Mine were sourced through a private collector, so I may get lucky with one like that. I'm just about booked for at least 3 or 4 years, but I'm so easily tempted by other reports. If the plant I am growing now is great, I have some old seeds that I want to blend with it. I have wedding plans for a good Thai, and all bets are off of anything else if I find one.
Speaking of S.E. Asian, I have grown a Burmese from Vancouver Island Seed Company, that I liked very much. It did not seem very strong in small does, just nice and euphoric. At higher doses, it was very trippy. I wish I had not killed that cutting. But the seeds that I have waiting for a good Thai have a significant percentage of Burmese in it, along with my all time favorite, the freaky pheno of Neville's Haze. The seeds are 10 years old, and I'm getting panicky about it. I've got to find a mate for it, and soon!
Waldgeist - Your outdoor Zamaldelica looks very close to me. I may be fooled if the weather has damaged the pistils, since I cannot see any white ones in your pictures. Really nice work you're doing there.
ThaiBliss
Sourpuss - I have an old 60s Jamaican strain in the wings waiting for that Aussie mostly Thai strain to finish. I have some others that I need to get to also. I want to try the Zamaldelica again. Punto Rojo Colombian is calling my name, even though it may be a bit off my quest, I have such fond memories of a few different Colombian strains from my youth. Charlie Garcia mentioned that he found some very energetic individuals that he bred out of Punto Rojo while breeding his line. Mine were sourced through a private collector, so I may get lucky with one like that. I'm just about booked for at least 3 or 4 years, but I'm so easily tempted by other reports. If the plant I am growing now is great, I have some old seeds that I want to blend with it. I have wedding plans for a good Thai, and all bets are off of anything else if I find one.
Speaking of S.E. Asian, I have grown a Burmese from Vancouver Island Seed Company, that I liked very much. It did not seem very strong in small does, just nice and euphoric. At higher doses, it was very trippy. I wish I had not killed that cutting. But the seeds that I have waiting for a good Thai have a significant percentage of Burmese in it, along with my all time favorite, the freaky pheno of Neville's Haze. The seeds are 10 years old, and I'm getting panicky about it. I've got to find a mate for it, and soon!
Waldgeist - Your outdoor Zamaldelica looks very close to me. I may be fooled if the weather has damaged the pistils, since I cannot see any white ones in your pictures. Really nice work you're doing there.
ThaiBliss
Hey Thaibliss! Yes, I hear Destroyer calling your name.
Hey Bushweed, you are one talented and hardworking grower! Yes, hopefully infintesimal will return and show the various phenotypes from Highland Mexican (Guerrero x Blueberry). Highland Mexican flowertops maybe over infintesimal's head by now.
Both Destroyer and Blueberry B122 (sativa) contains Highland Mexican and Highland Thai. The Highland Guerrero is old school, vigorous and less processed than Blueberry, making Highland Guerrero great for outdoors. Highland Guerrero effect is less processed, than Mango Haze or Blueberry. Destroyer and Highland Guerrero have ceilingless old school magic.
Highland Mexican f2 - yielding 1 male in 4 or 5. I was happy with two Highland Mexican f2 males. Seeds are forming, on Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - "B" and "C" and Mango Haze/Highland Mexican x Highland Mexican and with Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - "A" seeds included~ the full range of effects I like ranging from clear cerebral to euphoric feel good should be in there.I]...........
Cheers!
Hey Bushweed, you are one talented and hardworking grower! Yes, hopefully infintesimal will return and show the various phenotypes from Highland Mexican (Guerrero x Blueberry). Highland Mexican flowertops maybe over infintesimal's head by now.
Both Destroyer and Blueberry B122 (sativa) contains Highland Mexican and Highland Thai. The Highland Guerrero is old school, vigorous and less processed than Blueberry, making Highland Guerrero great for outdoors. Highland Guerrero effect is less processed, than Mango Haze or Blueberry. Destroyer and Highland Guerrero have ceilingless old school magic.
Highland Mexican f2 - yielding 1 male in 4 or 5. I was happy with two Highland Mexican f2 males. Seeds are forming, on Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - "B" and "C" and Mango Haze/Highland Mexican x Highland Mexican and with Highland Thai x Highland Mexican - "A" seeds included~ the full range of effects I like ranging from clear cerebral to euphoric feel good should be in there.I]...........
Cheers!
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sourpuss
Wow, thats gonna be some crazy nice crosses your makin there.... tradsies
Sounds like that's the ticket. So glad I picked up a Destroyer to round out an order.
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Been silent but following right along TB. Ive enjoyed the ride immensely
Looking forward to the smoke reports.is destroyer highland mex?
Charlie Gracia inherited the Mexican/Colombian father from a mentor. If I remember correctly Charlie doesn't know the region of origin of the Mexican or Colombian father. Nice catch, and yes I don't know the origin of the Mexican in Destroyer.
I've selected from Destroyer based on the Highland Thailand characteristics. I'm selecting from Highland Mexican on the Highland Guerero characteristics. Based on effect I'd bet that one of the three haze / sativa phenotypes in Mango Haze is Mexican. The same for DJ Shorts floral line, many folks have isolated Mexican dominate phenotypes.
DJ noted breeding his floral line from Highland Oaxacan Gold genetics. Highland Thai x Highland Oaxacan Gold would be a great cross. The effect of Highand Guerrero x Blueberry is similar to one of the hazy pheno types of Mango Haze.
The Highland Thai (Meao Thai) has asymmetrical branching - starting in early vegetation and South American sativas branch symmetrically in early vegetation. Charlie also noted that the Highland Thai has a thicker leaf than a sub-tropical Mexican or Colombian.
Hope that helps.
Charlie Gracia inherited the Mexican/Colombian father from a mentor. If I remember correctly Charlie doesn't know the region of origin of the Mexican or Colombian father. Nice catch, and yes I don't know the origin of the Mexican in Destroyer.
I've selected from Destroyer based on the Highland Thailand characteristics. I'm selecting from Highland Mexican on the Highland Guerero characteristics. Based on effect I'd bet that one of the three haze / sativa phenotypes in Mango Haze is Mexican. The same for DJ Shorts floral line, many folks have isolated Mexican dominate phenotypes.
DJ noted breeding his floral line from Highland Oaxacan Gold genetics. Highland Thai x Highland Oaxacan Gold would be a great cross. The effect of Highand Guerrero x Blueberry is similar to one of the hazy pheno types of Mango Haze.
The Highland Thai (Meao Thai) has asymmetrical branching - starting in early vegetation and South American sativas branch symmetrically in early vegetation. Charlie also noted that the Highland Thai has a thicker leaf than a sub-tropical Mexican or Colombian.
Hope that helps.
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sourpuss
Wow 60s Jamaican should be great! Cant wait to see that... read somewhere satori is good but not happy in effect.... peakin my interest in destroyer, nepalese jam...
I grew a jlb 60 female recently, flowered for 120 days and cured for two months.. The high is clear and social but this pheno isn't especially trippy. Quite down to earth actually.. could be a tolerance thing though
Greetings,
I sampled an early test of Copalita Oaxacan. I say it is early, since it dried for two weeks, and has been in a jar for only two more. It has good potency, not exceptional, and a unique effect. I felt high, as opposed to stoned, but it also had a very relaxing feel to it. Not like couch-lock, but not at all stimulative. At one point, it felt like I was on the edge of sleep, at the edge of starting to dream. To sum it up, it felt mildly euphoric and dreamy. It actually reminds me of some Colombians, truly narcotic, but not couch-lock.
I may have harvested a bit late for this strain, and it may change with a significant cure. I will keep curing, and I have a branch that I harvested a week earlier that I'll check also.
So far, the SAGE, the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai, and the Bangi Haze are still at the top of my collection. The first Copalita Oaxacan is stronger than Bangi Haze, but the mildly stimulating, euphoric, positive vibe, and clarity of the Bangi Haze is more my preference.
ThaiBliss
I sampled an early test of Copalita Oaxacan. I say it is early, since it dried for two weeks, and has been in a jar for only two more. It has good potency, not exceptional, and a unique effect. I felt high, as opposed to stoned, but it also had a very relaxing feel to it. Not like couch-lock, but not at all stimulative. At one point, it felt like I was on the edge of sleep, at the edge of starting to dream. To sum it up, it felt mildly euphoric and dreamy. It actually reminds me of some Colombians, truly narcotic, but not couch-lock.
I may have harvested a bit late for this strain, and it may change with a significant cure. I will keep curing, and I have a branch that I harvested a week earlier that I'll check also.
So far, the SAGE, the SAGE x Purple Haze Thai, and the Bangi Haze are still at the top of my collection. The first Copalita Oaxacan is stronger than Bangi Haze, but the mildly stimulating, euphoric, positive vibe, and clarity of the Bangi Haze is more my preference.
ThaiBliss
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Bob Green
That sounds a lot like the CBG Panama I grew (the red haired pheno). I like to describe it as the perfect indica: relaxing, but no mindnumbing stone
Incidentally, it hasn't changed much in effect during the cure (which is getting close to lasting 1 year).
There's a new addition to the family everyone. GN Thai Stick Day 1 of a long journey ahead of me.
