The Search for Trip Weed

[willydread]

Makes sense. Those packs were hanging around in the fridges of seed retailers for decades later though. I picked up my first pack in 2008. For several reasons, the keeper slipped through my fingers and I cried about it for years.
Finally found some old packs recently which I’m running now. Two 5 packs. The last pic is from the web of the feminised lines pack.

GHS remains a great version of Neville Haze...

 

[StickyBandit]

GHS remains a great version of Neville Haze...

My last seeds from them produced what seemed like the odd keeper but hermied in the end so got pulled. May have been a light issue but still my other strains remained solid

 

[@hempy]

Makes sense. Those packs were hanging around in the fridges of seed retailers for decades later though. I picked up my first pack in 2008. For several reasons, the keeper slipped through my fingers and I cried about it for years.
Finally found some old packs recently which I’m running now. Two 5 packs. The last pic is from the web of the feminised lines pack.

GHS ran out of all seed after shanti sold his 50% and left and Nevil sold his side of Green House coffee shop, then after Franco joined GHS a few years later they bought seed from a Mr Nice retailer in Amsterdam called Mr Haze.

So those seed and all of GHS Haze lines are seed made from seed Mr Nice sells, this was made public and posted by Mr Haze him self.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Finally found some old packs recently which I’m running now. Two 5 packs. The last pic is from the web of the feminised lines pack.

I got ya' Spaventa. There are some excellent cerebral, trippy, spiritual types that don't have that paranoid, edgy, overwhelming bent to them. I love my northern line with the recent Bangi Haze and VISC Burmese in it. Not to mention Big Sur Holy Weed or SAGE. I could smoke that stuff everyday. I'm not a Thai Stick twice a day smoker. Too intense.

Hey, please post your grow and search through those Neville's Haze plants here in this thread if you are so inclined. That's what this thread is for. It's not just my search, it's THE Search.

In fact, I just logged in to search for pictures of people's Neville's Haze 21 to see what they might look like.

Here's my Thai dom everyday religious experience.

Damn Randy! That is a hell of a plant. Nothin' but what goes in the pipe. Props to you and your growing skills! All the best my friend.

I have beans of GT 3rd generation Thai dom, but too scared to try yet

Drop those beans and post the progress here!

I found a good one from Golden Tiger. I lost the cut due to it's difficulty to reveg. It had a strong tendency for auto-flower in a root bound pot. Most of the GT gave me a kind of brooding trippy high. It's strong, but I'm not a fan of the Malawi selection in it. Maybe it's due to my tendency for depression. That's why I like the energetic types of highs. They are definately worth looking through for the Thai dominant expressions, IMHO.

 

[willydread]

I don't want to pollute this beautiful thread with the usual controversies,
However, if I have to say my piece, I had a terrible germination rate, but the only plant I got was a blessing, especially when compared to the "originals"

My last seeds from them produced what seemed like the odd keeper but hermied in the end so got pulled. May have been a light issue but still my other strains remained solid

A classic with ghs things, low germination, strange plants, mutants...no good, but sometimes you could find the gold

 

[ThaiBliss]

A classic with ghs things, low germination, strange plants, mutants...no good, but sometimes you could find the gold

No need to hold back amigo. You have a right to say your piece. Except it will probably trigger a few rants from me.

We spend A LOT of money for very few seeds. It seems to me that very few seed sellers are decent breeders. But some people hold very good cuttings, which can be very valuable even at only 50% of those genes if we are willing to do the work for ourselves. I've lost a lot of very good cuts, so you have to give respect for those that can keep a great mother or father alive for decades and spread the partial genes to us. But we give way too much credit for actual breeding.

In my opinion, we give scandalously too little credit to cultures that create stellar varieties. We use the term landrace, which to me implies a dismissal of the work they have done. IMO, we should be using the term heirloom genetics for things like Thai Stick. It takes a local culture, a community, or even a region to make something so good. I believe it took decades, if not centuries, to achive such excellence. The same goes for Mexican, or Colombian. I've smoked numerous varieties from the each of these regions, but they tend to have characteristics in common within those regions. While the geography has influence, I believe culture has far greater influence. Jamaican ganja from the early 70s was a very similar type of grass to S.E. Asian, but half a world apart. Both Thai genetics/culture and Jamaican genetics/culture may have come from India. All these cultures use the term "ganja", or a very similar variation. I believe that Sam wrote a post saying that Kerala India has strains very similar to Thai. I know that Jamaica had indentured servents from India.

It's our duty to preserve, stabilize, improve, and share the types of ganja that we appreciate. I think it was Thomas Jefferson that said something like caretaking and passing on farm varieties to future generations is the most valuable thing a person can do for humanity. I'm all in on clear, clean, strong, intensely cerebral types of ganja. No more "modern breeding" and the incessant genius idea of crossing dissimilar types of plants are going to get us somewhere better. Double down, not dumb down, on trip weed!

Oh shit Willydread. If that was what you were trying to avoid, my appologies.

 

[ThaiBliss]

O.K., maybe a pic of this graceful lady will help soothe our souls. She's finally healthy and shooting for the stars!

 

[willydread]

@ThaiBliss ,my friend, I read this tread from many times....
We live on two different sides of the world but it seems we had the same flash of inspiration...
Well, I am too young(or not old enough) for the Thai Stick, and anyway they never arrived in this part of the world, but the first time I tried thai x skunk, o.haze, Durban, and other sativas I understood that there was something different from afghan/skunk crosses;no panic, no paranoia, no fear, just a lot of energy in the body, the sensation of mentally traveling much faster and that feeling of mystical aura/blessing that I can't describe; since then my journey/research in sativas began, fate brought me kind and fantastic people and with them genetics from Mexico,Jamaica, India and many other countries,and I'm having fun mixing these genetics looking for my own personal grail...

Over the years I have spent a lot of money on seeds, but I have found fantastic plants even in 15 € packages, in most cases it's a wheel of fortune (not always of course, some breeders are really good and their seeds are really worth their price); the NevHz I was talking about was great, but combined with Oaxaca it created something exceptional, I'm not the only one who appreciated it...

Holy shit, I wrote a book! Sorry

 

[willydread]

Oh
Maybe you'll like this one more, a sativa harvested in 2013 in Sakon Nakhon, I grew it a few years ago (in a totally different part of the EU than Thailand) but it did something good...
"someone" besides me had some good trippy moments LoL

 

[EnjoyingLife]

Probably the closest to that would be the GT from Ace. I'm not a big Ace fan on some of the strains, I think they can be overworked or over-mixed but the pheno of Gold Tiger I have would have to be the trippiest weed I've had... so far. I'll do a seed run with the last 6 seeds I have, hopefully there's both sexes. I'm a little better at growing this type of plant these days, still not good but better

Can you give examples of which strains you feel are overworked or mixed?

 

[StickyBandit]

Can you give examples of which strains you feel are overworked or mixed?

I'd rather not mention any examples as others may like the particular strains. I mainly mean too far stable/tame and a little distant from the parents which can narrow your ability to search for the pheno you want. Some may see this as a plus if they're not into breeding and selection, just as some people like fems or autos. I was just pointing out that I'm not a "fanboy" and there are genuine keepers in the GT
It may also be my growing ability, but it's just my opinion of the selection I've grown and sampled
I should point out that older, less blended strains excite me more and some of their newer old strains look quite enticing

 

[ThaiBliss]

The leaders on my #2 reveg plant are finally starting to fill in. But my plant from seed in April had tight buds whose foxtails are now starting to grow stems. Ugh.

 

[Tranquilidade]

Another gem from Ace r&d camp. This is a 3 months cure Kali China x Oldschool Haze. It offers a potent, trippy, and psychedelic experience that's both positive and adventurous. The high is like a weightless magic carpet ride. It's premium quality and my favorite high-yielding Kali China hybrid so far. Bravo @dubi and the whole team.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Another gem from Ace r&d camp.

Thanks for that post. I'm no longer in a position where I feel comfortable receiving seeds through the post. I waited for years hoping Dubi would make certain crosses that I would have snatched up. Since then, I think he did a Bangi Haze X Thai. Zamal (Not Zamaldelica) X Thai would have been very exciting also. Congolese X Meao Thai would've been cool. Hmm... I see a pattern here. Everything highly cerebral crossed with Thai. As I said before, doubling down on a specific trait is a rare choice with breeders. I know Dubi has done it before, and since. I just missed them. Timing is everything. Dubi and Charlie were dudes that shared enough info that made me comfortable that they were doing good breeding. If one is looking for the choices that they make, they get my recommendation.

I tried Bangi Haze and I used my selection of it as a breeder. I also tried Purple Haze x Thai, Golden Tiger, and Zamaldelica. They were all good experiences. Bangi Haze was the only one that was "my cup of tea" that grew well under the conditions I gave them. I found a Bangi Haze so exceedingly clear, clean, cerebral, and energetic. Such a gem! Purple Haze x Thai was a Colombian style blast from the past. Narcotic / dreamy without the couch-lock. Muy suave. Golden Tiger and Zamaldelica were trippy, but kind of broody for my head. I think it is the Malawi in them. Just not good for predispositions that my head already has.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Speaking of the Bangi Haze outcross, some are in this picture of this season's starts. They are the three closest to the center front that form a triangle. They have darker and fatter leaves. Technically, they are 50% Bangi Haze. I don't really look at it that way. They have been line bred for a couple of generations. It doesn't take much to veer them away from one of the parents, especially in the F2 generation. They are still very cerebral, but the taste is better due to the Burmese I favored. That Burmese was very cerebral but not as starkly clear and clean. On the other hand, it was some of the best tasting and expansive weed I ever grew. Expansive in the mind, but I'm talking about my lungs. Smoke went down smooth, but then expanded like hashish. It tasted fruity and funky. So bad, it was good. The Burmese was more of a creeper type of high, as in a delayed reaction.

Another angle.

Here is a closeup under white LED. Still wanting to prevent them from flowering too early.

The one type of terpene that is present from the Bangi Haze side is menthol. I think it came from the Congolese side of the Bangi Haze. It expressed as a licorice type aroma, but more menthol when I crossed it. I wouldn't have identified it as menthol in either parent, Burmese or Bangi Haze. Then again, it may have come from an earlier generation when I used Trainwreck. Now that I think of it, it definately had that earlier. I lost it when crossed to Burmese, and came back when crossed to Bangi Haze. I have looked for it in my subsequent selections. To be very clear, I don't look for it because I like the taste of menthol, I look for it because I associate it with a great strong high, i.e. Hawaiian, Trainwreck, etc.

About those three plants above, one is really, really squat. I don't like it because it doesn't have the fruity and funkiness (body odor?). It's not pungent at all. I'm going back and forth about culling it now. However, my seeds are very limited, and I should probably see how the buds turn out. If I lose the rest of my seeds, the seeds I make from the remaining two would be highly bottlenecked quickly. Although, I'll probably cross them to the GTS x (NH21 x MM), if I ever find a good one.

Dang, I can really go on, and on, about this. Thanks for the therapy.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

My plant that sprouted in April is still alive despite flowering during the rainy season. It is near the end. The Thai leaning reveg plant needed two waterings this week. This volunteer seedling hasn't dried out for at least three weeks. It looks so close that I will refrain from watering again for fear of triggering another flush of fresh pistils.

I'm finding scattered male flowers. None that I know of have opened, but the plant looks like it's trying to form them. This plant was looking spectacular through three months of rain. Now, it is a sad sight. I'll still try another wet season plant next year, but hopefully I can time the finish during the little summer. We typically get a couple of dry weeks in the middle of the rainy season.

Here's some bud shots:

If no more flushes of pistils, I'll give this about a week, depending on weather. Maybe earlier if we get a break from the rains, and get some bright sunshine under our belts. I don't know. The vast majority of my experience is with 75% sativa genetics that take three to five months to flower. Now I'm dealing with five to seven months of flowering.

How much time would you peeps think it needs to be fully ripe?

 

[exoticrobotic]

How much time would you peeps think it needs to be fully ripe?

How long is a piece of string Maybe soon with the male preflowers. A week or two?

She looks lovely right now Is she whiffy?

I've started growing sativas from hybrids so i don't know shit anymore.

Hope she makes your world cartoon and that you fly.

 

[ThaiBliss]

How long is a piece of string

That's not much help, but fair. Two weeks can have dramatic affect, sometimes either way. I've seen weed be nearly hay, then 2 weeks later be phenomenal. Some I like it better 2 weeks early.

It smells very nice. I'd describe it as kind of a sweet caramel with woody notes. Seems like a Colombian leaner to me. Not what I'm searching for but can be a great experience none the less. True test will be in the pipe.

Thanks for replying.

 

[Donald Mallard]

she sure looks like she has had a hard life mate , lol ..

though overall , shes not that ugly , ive seen worse for sure ,
its likely some over ripe stuff deeper in the bud will account for the less ripe on the outer exterior ,
might help give it a great high actually , though i reckon shes pretty much done , other than some personal preference on ripeness , id be necking her anxious to try her ...

i reckon after 3 plus months cure , that girl is going to be something special,
i think cannabis can be like humans , only getting better with some adversity,
making them tougher and better than the average plant or human ...

 

[FellaAndrene]

What's a good source for the VISC Burmese as an IBL?

I was thinking of the one from CSI Humboldt, but I didn't get an answer back when I asked him if it's the VISC Burmese or something else.