The Search for Trip Weed

[Mimpi Manis]

A much better growing spot than my subtropical mould hell. Yes the cure is too underrated. Looking at your C5 mango, you’re not going the full vac?

I tried to not take to the Full Monty this time just to see how it turned out. A strong vac can really make for a nice hash like result. (If its not too dry. I try to make sure I don't get a mould issue from bud which is too damp). I defer towards having a little oxygen at hand to assist the work on the chlorophyll draw down. Perhaps 80% is where I like to sit... as hard to know for sure where the sweet spot is? Experimentation is all we have at hand atm. So far its worked out well enough. In relation to what I like and results, this is definitely my default method.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I moved a couple more of this season's starts outside, and put them in bigger pots. Hopefully, the better soil will kick start them. The first one I put out is looking fantastic. It's showing what I think is a male pre-flower. This makes me very happy.

For one thing, my males last year threw some pistils in the begining because I screwed up the indoor light cycle. My timer failed a few times, yada, yada, yada. This year I kept them under light 24 hours a day, and then moved or will move them out to the normal 12, +/- a smidge. So far, it seems to be the good plan. No timer even needed, and no gender confusion yet.

I didn't like the males last year, though the seeds from them will be tested. One of them didn't have a strong aroma or the types I'm hoping for. The other was pungent enough, but had a sweet, sandalwood smell. It reminded me of the Colombian side which is not what I'm after. The likely male this year is the most pungent from this year of all the GTS x (NH21 x MM) plants. It's not as pungent or desireable as the first one I found whose seeds I accidentally killed years ago. But it does have some great aromas, which would be the ones I more frequently associate with great pot. From my notes:

Lemon
Metalic
Sharp
Catpiss
Medicine

None of the other plants of this lineage so far in these two latest batches have had such good terpenes. It is also very vigorous, thin leaved, and lanky. It's strongly to the sativa side relative to the rest of this year's group. In my opinion, it is the first one from these two years that is worth cloning and testing. It looks like it will outgrow the new pot in about a week.


Here is the beauty:

Ha! That stud is in beast mode!

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

I took my wet season plant experiment well past a reasonable conclusion. It's now riddled with mold. I'll be fortunate to harvest half the buds on it. I moved it into my mini, but very tall greenhouse. It's called a coolhouse in these parts because no one wants it hotter. They just want to divert the rain away.

Early morning pics of the coolhouse just before the sun starts hitting it. There is only room for a couple small plants and a handful of starts.

There are still some nice buds on this plant. The calyxes swell up dramatically on this individual. It reminds me of Super Silver Haze.

Next wet season, I'll start the plants two or three months earlier. Maybe I'll get lucky and time the harvest with the little summer (Indian Summer) that we get in this area, normally in July, the middle of the wet season. I'll also bring them in the mini coolhouse before the buds get any size to them.

 

[Spaventa]

Hi, I haven’t read the thread so ignore if it’s been mentioned but we grew a pack of NL5xHaze from Sensi seeds, about 10 years ago. We ditched the strain because it was crazy psychoactive and mind altering. Not our thing so never grew them again.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi Spaventa,

Thanks for posting. Crazy psychoactive is what I'm after. Absolutely I am playing in the Haze ballfield. The NH21 in the GTS x (NH21 x MM) is a Neville's Haze selection. Risking all kinds of hate and controversy I'll say I've always known Haze as Colombian x Mexican x South Indian x Thai with some Northern Lights later on. This will burn purists up who argue it's only Colombian x Mexican. Well, I guess... I don't have those cuts, so I'm working with what I got. Besides, out of about 36 seeds of Haze from three different companies, only one was worth a crap, and it might have been the best weed I ever smoked. It felt like Thai Stick combined with the finest Mexican to me. I don't care what people claim, I'm looking for that vibe and potency. They are in there, so Haze is always worth looking through. It just takes a ton of patience.

The MM stands for Mullumbimby Madness which I consider the Haze of Austrailia. LOL, just more blasphemy from me. Both Haze and Mullum are a hodgepodge of the best sativa strains available from the 70s with a touch of indica making them easier to grow. I think the S.E. Asian in both of these recipies are the key ingredients, at least for what I'm looking for.

Speaking of fine Mexican, I got all my starts on the mend and trending up. I'm about to cull one of the plants that looks to have more hash plant traits. The last one to recover has leaves that remind me of Mexican. Classic poster child leaf shape from the old days when Mexican was king in the U.S. and before hash plant contamination. I'm going to grow this up and see how it turns out.

The male I posted earlier is a standout, and this female is unique. I haven't seen one like this in any of the three batches I've sprouted.

 

[StickyBandit]

Hi Spaventa,

Thanks for posting. Crazy psychoactive is what I'm after. Absolutely I am playing in the Haze ballfield. The NH21 in the GTS x (NH21 x MM) is a Neville's Haze selection. Risking all kinds of hate and controversy I'll say I've always known Haze as Colombian x Mexican x South Indian x Thai with some Northern Lights later on. This will burn purists up who argue it's only Colombian x Mexican. Well, I guess... I don't have those cuts, so I'm working with what I got. Besides, out of about 36 seeds of Haze from three different companies, only one was worth a crap, and it might have been the best weed I ever smoked. It felt like Thai Stick combined with the finest Mexican to me. I don't care what people claim, I'm looking for that vibe and potency. They are in there, so Haze is always worth looking through. It just takes a ton of patience.

The MM stands for Mullumbimby Madness which I consider the Haze of Austrailia. LOL, just more blasphemy from me. Both Haze and Mullum are a hodgepodge of the best sativa strains available from the 70s with a touch of indica making them easier to grow. I think the S.E. Asian in both of these recipies are the key ingredients, at least for what I'm looking for.

Speaking of fine Mexican, I got all my starts on the mend and trending up. I'm about to cull one of the plants that looks to have more hash plant traits. The last one to recover has leaves that remind me of Mexican. Classic poster child leaf shape from the old days when Mexican was king in the U.S. and before hash plant contamination. I'm going to grow this up and see how it turns out.

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The male I posted earlier is a standout, and this female is unique. I haven't seen one like this in any of the three batches I've sprouted.

So which one was it you found that was worth a crap?

 

[Spaventa]

I guess you tried Durban Poison? Pure sativa, legendary psychedelic effect. If not, something else to consider.

 

[OSS]

Wow! Great thread! I'll start by saying I'm a light smoker, mostly hash and indica hybrids,the only time i tried a "trippy" weed was a couple of years ago, a friend told me he offered me some Thai, after smoking I immediately felt tachycardia and strong pressure in my temples, I lay down on the grass and got lost observing the sky and the clouds, with the branches of the trees backlit, they seemed drawn, I couldn't describe it, I felt like I was in those Japanese cartoons from the 80s (to give you an idea),and in my head a lot of thoughts at the same time, if I concentrated everything went back to "normal" but after a while my mind went back to being busy, mental hyperactivity, that's what my friend called it....
It was very "trippy", at least for me...

 

[ThaiBliss]

So which one was it you found that was worth a crap?

It was a Nevilles Haze that I lost some 15+ years ago. It was starkly different from all the rest. Super skinny long leaves right out of the gates, with a golden color. It smelled like Thai, metalic; lemon; turpentine; black pepper, but it's color made me name it "Acalpulco Thai". When I lost that plant, that's when I started this online search. I need another one of those for breeding, and for experiencing world class weed again. That smoke was a religious experience, but indoors it grew like a Dr. Grinspoon. In my grow cabinet that normally produced about a half pound, I got less than an ounce. It was worth it.

I guess you tried Durban Poison? Pure sativa, legendary psychedelic effect. If not, something else to consider.

Sure. I've tried so many strains. I'm closer to 70 than 60 years old, and I started smoking and growing when I was 10. The truth is, it's all about the selection. Very few strains are anything even close to Thai. It's a whole other class, the best ever if you like that type of thing. You still need to find a good one. I'm willing to work for it. I'm not sure many people even know how good the best cannabis can be. Like you, probably half the smokers in the world wouldn't even like it. It's tough to take. Most people smoke to "relax". This is not for them.

OSS - Great post. I love hearing about people's experiences with these types of grass. Yep, I call that trippy also.

 

[ThaiBliss]

My other plant started to get a semblence of some buds on it, so in the little coolhouse it goes.

What a contrast between these two plants. Reveging doesn't work well for these S.E. Asian leaning plants. I'd need them to be inside under lights for a long time to get them fully reveged. This plant is a mess.

It's a tangle of leaves.

Inside and away from the top leaders, there are some growth sites that do have things resembling buds. They smell great. Under cover now, before I start seeing mold.

It's raining like hell most of the time. I still get 3 or 4 hours of strong light in the mornings, usually. But holy cow, water is not scarce here at all. Quite a drastic change for me.

I take my little starts out into the full unobstructed sun most morning.

 

[Mimpi Manis]

It was a Nevilles Haze that I lost some 15+ years ago. It was starkly different from all the rest. Super skinny long leaves right out of the gates, with a golden color. It smelled like Thai, metalic; lemon; turpentine; black pepper, but it's color made me name it "Acalpulco Thai". When I lost that plant, that's when I started this online search. I need another one of those for breeding, and for experiencing world class weed again. That smoke was a religious experience, but indoors it grew like a Dr. Grinspoon. In my grow cabinet that normally produced about a half pound, I got less than an ounce. It was worth it.


Sure. I've tried so many strains. I'm closer to 70 than 60 years old, and I started smoking and growing when I was 10. The truth is, it's all about the selection. Very few strains are anything even close to Thai. It's a whole other class, the best ever if you like that type of thing. You still need to find a good one. I'm willing to work for it. I'm not sure many people even know how good the best cannabis can be. Like you, probably half the smokers in the world wouldn't even like it. It's tough to take. Most people smoke to "relax". This is not for them.

OSS - Great post. I love hearing about people's experiences with these types of grass. Yep, I call that trippy also.

Quote: "I'm not sure many people even know how good the best cannabis can be".

Religious experience about covers it.

 

[Tranquilidade]

Quote: "I'm not sure many people even know how good the best cannabis can be".

Religious experience about covers it.

Destroyer Thai dominant can be a religious experience, however I don't want this religious experience every single day. I only reach out for it when I feel very cocky, so it teaches me a lesson very quickly

 

[StickyBandit]

Destroyer Thai dominant can be a religious experience, however I don't want this religious experience every single day. I only reach out for it when I feel very cocky, so it teaches me a lesson very quickly

I've looked around for destroyer and it seems to be hard to find these days

 

[Spaventa]

Thaibliss, you misunderstand, I’m a Haze head (my belief is that Haze is Thai x Columbian genetics).
I’m into mind expansion and spiritual, motivating highs, not hybrid/indica sedation.
I just avoid the acutely psychedelic, overpowering highs because to me that something quite different. I’ve only experienced a “bad trip” effect with those Sensi Seedbank NL#5xHaze all those years ago. Other then only one or two stories about a few old legend sats that didn’t agree with people, mentally.
My thing is GHS Neville’s Haze from the early 2000s back to its release in the late 90s, when they still had the original Nevil/Shanti parent plants and made the regular seeds. For me it’s unique in its terpene profiles. The three known phenotypes are all amazing but my favourite is to me, the finest cannabis that ever grew. Nothing comes close to it for me.
Your description matches that phenotype actually as I’ve always described it as a light green or lime green hue. It’s the thinnest fingered too. It takes just 13 weeks to finish if you don’t upset it. Its sparkles with that silvery look encrusted with trichs like core cut amo, has clusters of diamond shaped buds sparsely dotted around the Xmas tree structure. Low yield of course. It’s super musky frankincense in the room when anyone is burning it. There’s a warmed butter note in the there too and top notes of rain soaked forrest, moss, bracken.
I think the little bit of NL#5 that remains after the back cross to the Haze C is what keeps it within my happy range. Some sats are edgy, racy, almost paranoia inducing for me. C99 is an example.

 

[@hempy]

Those early Nevils Haze were bred by Nevil and sold to GH on consignment the same seed were sold through Mr Nice up until they ran out around 2003/2004 the Cannabis World days then the rest were made by Shanti same parents from Nevil.

 

[StickyBandit]

Destroyer Thai dominant can be a religious experience, however I don't want this religious experience every single day. I only reach out for it when I feel very cocky, so it teaches me a lesson very quickly

Probably the closest to that would be the GT from Ace. I'm not a big Ace fan on some of the strains, I think they can be overworked or over-mixed but the pheno of Gold Tiger I have would have to be the trippiest weed I've had... so far. I'll do a seed run with the last 6 seeds I have, hopefully there's both sexes. I'm a little better at growing this type of plant these days, still not good but better

 

[Tranquilidade]

Probably the closest to that would be the GT from Ace. I'm not a big Ace fan on some of the strains, I think they can be overworked or over-mixed but the pheno of Gold Tiger I have would have to be the trippiest weed I've had... so far. I'll do a seed run with the last 6 seeds I have, hopefully there's both sexes. I'm a little better at growing this type of plant these days, still not good but better

I have beans of GT 3rd generation Thai dom, but too scared to try yet

 

[Spaventa]

Those early Nevils Haze were bred by Nevil and sold to GH on consignment the same seed were sold through Mr Nice up until they ran out around 2003/2004 the Cannabis World days then the rest were made by Shanti same parents from Nevil.

Makes sense. Those packs were hanging around in the fridges of seed retailers for decades later though. I picked up my first pack in 2008. For several reasons, the keeper slipped through my fingers and I cried about it for years.
Finally found some old packs recently which I’m running now. Two 5 packs. The last pic is from the web of the feminised lines pack.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Here's my Thai dom everyday religious experience.

 

[OSS]

Here's my Thai dom everyday religious experience.
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Destroyer?