The Search for Trip Weed

[willydread]

Makes sense. Those packs were hanging around in the fridges of seed retailers for decades later though. I picked up my first pack in 2008. For several reasons, the keeper slipped through my fingers and I cried about it for years.
Finally found some old packs recently which I’m running now. Two 5 packs. The last pic is from the web of the feminised lines pack.

GHS remains a great version of Neville Haze...

 

[StickyBandit]

GHS remains a great version of Neville Haze...

My last seeds from them produced what seemed like the odd keeper but hermied in the end so got pulled. May have been a light issue but still my other strains remained solid

 

[@hempy]

Makes sense. Those packs were hanging around in the fridges of seed retailers for decades later though. I picked up my first pack in 2008. For several reasons, the keeper slipped through my fingers and I cried about it for years.
Finally found some old packs recently which I’m running now. Two 5 packs. The last pic is from the web of the feminised lines pack.

GHS ran out of all seed after shanti sold his 50% and left and Nevil sold his side of Green House coffee shop, then after Franco joined GHS a few years later they bought seed from a Mr Nice retailer in Amsterdam called Mr Haze.

So those seed and all of GHS Haze lines are seed made from seed Mr Nice sells, this was made public and posted by Mr Haze him self.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Finally found some old packs recently which I’m running now. Two 5 packs. The last pic is from the web of the feminised lines pack.

I got ya' Spaventa. There are some excellent cerebral, trippy, spiritual types that don't have that paranoid, edgy, overwhelming bent to them. I love my northern line with the recent Bangi Haze and VISC Burmese in it. Not to mention Big Sur Holy Weed or SAGE. I could smoke that stuff everyday. I'm not a Thai Stick twice a day smoker. Too intense.

Hey, please post your grow and search through those Neville's Haze plants here in this thread if you are so inclined. That's what this thread is for. It's not just my search, it's THE Search.

In fact, I just logged in to search for pictures of people's Neville's Haze 21 to see what they might look like.

Here's my Thai dom everyday religious experience.

Damn Randy! That is a hell of a plant. Nothin' but what goes in the pipe. Props to you and your growing skills! All the best my friend.

I have beans of GT 3rd generation Thai dom, but too scared to try yet

Drop those beans and post the progress here!

I found a good one from Golden Tiger. I lost the cut due to it's difficulty to reveg. It had a strong tendency for auto-flower in a root bound pot. Most of the GT gave me a kind of brooding trippy high. It's strong, but I'm not a fan of the Malawi selection in it. Maybe it's due to my tendency for depression. That's why I like the energetic types of highs. They are definately worth looking through for the Thai dominant expressions, IMHO.

 

[willydread]

I don't want to pollute this beautiful thread with the usual controversies,
However, if I have to say my piece, I had a terrible germination rate, but the only plant I got was a blessing, especially when compared to the "originals"

My last seeds from them produced what seemed like the odd keeper but hermied in the end so got pulled. May have been a light issue but still my other strains remained solid

A classic with ghs things, low germination, strange plants, mutants...no good, but sometimes you could find the gold

 

[ThaiBliss]

A classic with ghs things, low germination, strange plants, mutants...no good, but sometimes you could find the gold

No need to hold back amigo. You have a right to say your piece. Except it will probably trigger a few rants from me.

We spend A LOT of money for very few seeds. It seems to me that very few seed sellers are decent breeders. But some people hold very good cuttings, which can be very valuable even at only 50% of those genes if we are willing to do the work for ourselves. I've lost a lot of very good cuts, so you have to give respect for those that can keep a great mother or father alive for decades and spread the partial genes to us. But we give way too much credit for actual breeding.

In my opinion, we give scandalously too little credit to cultures that create stellar varieties. We use the term landrace, which to me implies a dismissal of the work they have done. IMO, we should be using the term heirloom genetics for things like Thai Stick. It takes a local culture, a community, or even a region to make something so good. I believe it took decades, if not centuries, to achive such excellence. The same goes for Mexican, or Colombian. I've smoked numerous varieties from the each of these regions, but they tend to have characteristics in common within those regions. While the geography has influence, I believe culture has far greater influence. Jamaican ganja from the early 70s was a very similar type of grass to S.E. Asian, but half a world apart. Both Thai genetics/culture and Jamaican genetics/culture may have come from India. All these cultures use the term "ganja", or a very similar variation. I believe that Sam wrote a post saying that Kerala India has strains very similar to Thai. I know that Jamaica had indentured servents from India.

It's our duty to preserve, stabilize, improve, and share the types of ganja that we appreciate. I think it was Thomas Jefferson that said something like caretaking and passing on farm varieties to future generations is the most valuable thing a person can do for humanity. I'm all in on clear, clean, strong, intensely cerebral types of ganja. No more "modern breeding" and the incessant genius idea of crossing dissimilar types of plants are going to get us somewhere better. Double down, not dumb down, on trip weed!

Oh shit Willydread. If that was what you were trying to avoid, my appologies.

 

[ThaiBliss]

O.K., maybe a pic of this graceful lady will help soothe our souls. She's finally healthy and shooting for the stars!

 

[willydread]

@ThaiBliss ,my friend, I read this tread from many times....
We live on two different sides of the world but it seems we had the same flash of inspiration...
Well, I am too young(or not old enough) for the Thai Stick, and anyway they never arrived in this part of the world, but the first time I tried thai x skunk, o.haze, Durban, and other sativas I understood that there was something different from afghan/skunk crosses;no panic, no paranoia, no fear, just a lot of energy in the body, the sensation of mentally traveling much faster and that feeling of mystical aura/blessing that I can't describe; since then my journey/research in sativas began, fate brought me kind and fantastic people and with them genetics from Mexico,Jamaica, India and many other countries,and I'm having fun mixing these genetics looking for my own personal grail...

Over the years I have spent a lot of money on seeds, but I have found fantastic plants even in 15 € packages, in most cases it's a wheel of fortune (not always of course, some breeders are really good and their seeds are really worth their price); the NevHz I was talking about was great, but combined with Oaxaca it created something exceptional, I'm not the only one who appreciated it...

Holy shit, I wrote a book! Sorry

 

[willydread]

Oh
Maybe you'll like this one more, a sativa harvested in 2013 in Sakon Nakhon, I grew it a few years ago (in a totally different part of the EU than Thailand) but it did something good...
"someone" besides me had some good trippy moments LoL

 

[EnjoyingLife]

Probably the closest to that would be the GT from Ace. I'm not a big Ace fan on some of the strains, I think they can be overworked or over-mixed but the pheno of Gold Tiger I have would have to be the trippiest weed I've had... so far. I'll do a seed run with the last 6 seeds I have, hopefully there's both sexes. I'm a little better at growing this type of plant these days, still not good but better

Can you give examples of which strains you feel are overworked or mixed?

 

[StickyBandit]

Can you give examples of which strains you feel are overworked or mixed?

I'd rather not mention any examples as others may like the particular strains. I mainly mean too far stable/tame and a little distant from the parents which can narrow your ability to search for the pheno you want. Some may see this as a plus if they're not into breeding and selection, just as some people like fems or autos. I was just pointing out that I'm not a "fanboy" and there are genuine keepers in the GT
It may also be my growing ability, but it's just my opinion of the selection I've grown and sampled
I should point out that older, less blended strains excite me more and some of their newer old strains look quite enticing

 

[ThaiBliss]

The leaders on my #2 reveg plant are finally starting to fill in. But my plant from seed in April had tight buds whose foxtails are now starting to grow stems. Ugh.