I guess I have F15 generation probably.. moved few generations from Coastal seeds version. everybody talks very highly about uniqueness of this line.. but it is definitely hybridized with some wld.. if it is so good like everybody says, I will work it and make it more narrow..
as it doesn't contain C or A... that is all hype style coming from him, in this regard some hype created by today seedmakers, compared to hype created by Nevil, is really weak tea.. my friend, and I am really proud of calling you my friend, is that you dont grow any Nevil´s gear........................ even you got seeds straight from him.. it seems that Nevil´s hype has no impact at you and you have better gear, in the end I know it as I got some good stuff from you. and I congratulate you. initially I wanted to keep it privately, but I think people should know real truth, regardless if some internet trolls will get mixed emotions from it. haha . thanks.
I'm a liar, Nevil is a liar....So is anyone who asserts that Nevil's work is their favorite.
Why the Hostility?
What did that Neville's haze you smoked do to you my friend?
Only time I've seen people react so negatively to Nevil's work is when they had a bad experience with it. It's OK dude, we are all in this together. Just remember, it wasn't real. It was all in your head...
(Sending you virtual hugs)
stop trolling please. you dont have real ECSD or real HAZE and dont know what you are talking about.. I dont want to look for those posts where you was jrelax and admitted all those psychic problems you have. I am not your therapist, this thread is not your therapy.. I am not interested in you, I am interested in B boys so you know what you can kiss my.. you know what haha. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWFGDtbKjdI&list=PL0xXGZWysIyYkeRrX6WAPxIy9-J6TACi8&index=24
I understand your point but I certainly disagree, never ever in the last 20 years there has been so much diversity of exotic seeds available to the growers as is today. Anyone with interest or curiosity can have access to dozens of different Haze, Thai, Mexican, African, Pakistan or you just name it type of genetics to play with! Actually it was much more difficult back then, even less variety... you really needed to travel, or get connected, prove yourself and get respected both in order to know the right people and have access to certain genetics and so on.
Now it's totally the opposite, I could get many of this amazing seeds almost from the scratch... there are even African, Indian or South American growers having IG account and trading local seeds no one would have access to otherwise, or people scouting for rare kush seeds all ove Pakistan and Afghanistan in order to sell them. This would sound ridiculous about 10 years ago. It may have been elitist back then, now just not anymore! Even travelling became more affordable for anyone nowadays, no longer an elite thing to travel to Mexico or Thailand and score some bagseeds. Information and networking is also readily available, there are more resources than ever at people’s hands, you don’t even need to move from your sofa now.
Yosemite Sam, none of my posts were actually directed towards you nor anyone who I’ve had beef with… I think you are missing the whole point and perspective by feeling pointed and trying to justify your decissions or anyone else’s as you try to discredit a personal opinion. Don’t bend the truth, you know what's my position and you also know very well that I know the difference between cashing in and trying to sustain your livelyhood in an honest way like you’ve said (which I highly support).
I believe all this Haze clone hype was started by Karma G indeed, right after he acquired the A5 Haze clone. That was when Nevil was still between us, in fact we’ve discussed about it several times:
Nevil wasn’t impressed nor pleased with all this moves, but he didn’t care much, as he always used to say: “even if you give the same ingredients to three different chefs, they always will come up with three different dishes”.
Karma was already taking control over the A5 in order to be the first releasing hybrids and take advantage on such elusive and tightly held clones. Did he actually had more right or legitimacy to do than anyone else? I don't think so. Karma was only working making clones for Breda Crew from 2002 to 2004 and he always stayed away from the group, in his very own words. And finally suddenly after Nevil passed away we see him selling A5 S1 and such? Really? And all this latest Southern Holland Haze crew thing? Same with the other companies chucking on the clones. Even some who never had an interest on Hazes and now chase those clones too like it happens with any hyped, awarded and highly shought after cut. I wonder why is that? Obviously because it’s great for marketing, it just attracts more customers, that’s what comercial seed makers rely on in order to sell, the new and most profitable clones from each season over having their own unique breeding projects. How that’s not cashing on then?? I think it’s pretty evident and blatant. Some people said recently all seems like an oportunistic and strategic move and I'm 100% sure about that. One thing is giving props or credit to the Breda crew for his involvement with Nevil (yet the timing and following events may appear oportunistic all of the sudden) and what I’m speaking about is another different one.
If Bonk or you decided to liberate those clones it must have been for a good reason, and the fact you’ve decided to share them with many people before all this, speaks highly about you indeed. But you contradicted yourself too, because if everyone’s ultimate goal was only getting Nevil’s genetics reaching people as the gift they were, why not keep doing something like Joesy did with the GG#4 for example? Anyone could send thousands of seeds to the Seed Bay too or create an IG profile and become viral in just days, if that was really the goal. Instead of having an elite circle of seed makers having certain control over those cuts and serve their own interest. That would make sense if they were holding their own cuts or work I guess. But obviously and despite you say you had a different goal, most of them have a different interest and just want to cash on Nevil's name and legacy, that's crystal clear, but let’s agree to disagree. No drama really, no need to discredit anyone or turn it into a fight. Just different points of view and a reminder that not everyone is so naive about it. But hey, we are all Haze lovers after all!
The funny thing is that many amateur growers within the community have been growing and playing with the Haze for years. The recent example of Mac comes to mind… proving how even growers with very little resources but a lot of passion and motivation can do a very nice job, both preserving and trying to renew the Haze with fresh genes, as well as sharing gems with more people who have passion for the Haze legacy. Maybe this is the type of people we should be supporting instead of encouraging and providing tools for the industry sharks who just want to provide a response to a market demand, but without much substance or passion behind, only the desire to put seeds in the market and make the most of Nevil’s fame and name in this case and cash on stuff they don't even deserve. Proving they simply have more interest on taking advantage on the genetics name and status, than the genetics themselves.
Last but not least, I believe we need informed people with critical thinking within the community, people who stay independent or don’t have a commercial agenda and try to educate. Just like it happens within the film, wine, music industry or even politics, where critics, experts and experienced members analyze what’s going, the good, the bad and often provide insight to those who miss the details from the insiders. Cannabis scene shouldn’t be an exception and I truly believe the sooner we get an International Cannabis Breeder’s Association or something like that, providing guidelines and evaluating the seed market independently (as well as standard regulations for judging Cannabis cups, lab sampling and so on), the better.
Time to move on for me.
Cheers.
I crossed a romulan grapefuit which has thai ancestry im sure with my poineapple thai from 707. Smoked a little partially cured bud and tried to watch a mark knopfler live video...the shaking of the camera and out of focus scenes really bugged me. I think a little more and visuals would have been great. Hoping the cure helps. I heard thai sfrains need a long cure? Is that true?
