The Search for Trip Weed

[Croissant]

Thaibliss I'm wondering if you could give a bit more of a description on the high type you are seeking. I get the everything is right with the world thing which I love. Thing is I've felt that in pure indica's a few hybrids and only one pure sativa. I've had other strains that could put a different spin on that feeling in other directions if the breeding held into the desired traits.

My favorite is the pure sativa from costs Rica by far and it set the bar so high that only a few strains compared but most I felt lacked what the costarican had because it wasn't a rushy high more like post orgasmic bliss with a gentle breeze through like tall grasses sound type ambiance that would lead to trippiness that culminated in fits of laughter.

So does what your looking for have a rushy type feeling or?

I had a sagey pheno of sage og once which was the best sativa I've had in the last decade at least. It had a smell of actual white sage but with the eucalyptus like smell in white sage toned down and more or a soft woodey type smell there was this tingle to the smell to kinda like in Mysore Indian sandalwood but it tied into the white sage smell not sandalwood if that makes sense. I didn't smoke it enough times to describe it with confidence though. I remember the high gave me a I feel like a million bucks in my new fancy clothes type of feeling with a reassured clear head and a gentle smooth suave lift from my solar plexas to a subtle head tingle that kind of made me feel like I was a puppet I was in control of.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Croissant,

It must be time to repost an early post of this thread. There are a lot of variations of what I'm looking for, and I've posted about it throughout this thread but these descriptions below sound good to me. In case you have ever smoked Thai Stick back in the 70s, that would be the model.

Here is the text from the early post:

"I collected a bunch of descriptions of Zamal and Zamal derived strains like Zamaldelica and others to start my "Zamaldelica - The Search for Trip Weed" thread. I'm posting them here because they encapsulate the spirit of the type of high that I am looking for, and I'd like to share what I'm really going for here:

Dubi - "I remember walking with a friend in the city, totally disoriented. We were walking in streets we know since we are children but we almost coudnt recognize them. It looked like a different place or city for us. We neither knew what we were doing or going, walking without direction around the old streets of my city."

British Hempire – "wow, what a smoke, very very potent, all in the head, a clear, electric, euphoric racing high, I'm a very experienced, hardcore smoker, I smoke all day every day yet this stuff had me higher that I think I've ever been before and positively messed up my friends who tried some. I took a walk to my friends house, a place I have been many many times and couldn't find it, walked up and down the street looking for the house, then had to ring him on my mobile phone as I got really confused, just awesome stuff. I have been in a satate ot total euphoria on this stuff, makes you talk a lot about mad ideas, sing silly little songs to yourself and wander about looking very baked but grinning insanely, just as close to herbal acid as I've ever experienced, straight to the number one slot on my list of best smokes."

Terpene - "...all I can say is HOLY S***. If you are looking for the terror ridden, thai clarity..." "First two hours were INTENSE, scary to the point anyone who wasn't a seasoned smoker would not want to be high anymore..." "...you see at 2 frames per second and there are a lot of "whoa, how long have I been here...... wait, did that just happen?" moments."

Xinox - "...first time i try it, i just look at the street through the window and i literally bug on it..." "you have some kind of slight stroboscopic effect. Then you feel some waves in your body, like you are carry in a wave. We also try this weed at 5 on my vaporizer and the conclusion of the assembly was clear that this weed is heavy shit..." "The high is strong but also very clear, it's indeed very psychedelic and long lasting. This pheno is almost hallucinatory, with some very visuel kind of effects. I'm quiet sure that this weed could easily paralyze a beiginner."

Dubi - "Zamal has a unique kind of high, it's crazy, psychedelic and out of control, especially i have found extremely powerful and crazy plants crossing zamal with other sats and sat/ind hybrids. It has huge breeding potential to get incredible sativa experiences in the hybrids..." "...with a terrorific electric high. It can produce serious paranoia and anxiety when correctly grown..." "...some phenos produced some of the most powerful sativa high i've ever smoked. A mix between anphetamine and LSD." "It was an overpowering accelerated, psychedelic, disorienting crazy high." "Zamal lemon produced one of the closest experience to LSD i've had smoking cannabis."

VanVulpen – "...added a totally new dimension to the musical experience, and gave me the true meaning of "rollercoaster weed""

DeadM -"...another one was terrorific..many friend after one can't smoke anymore of it ..they were unable to speak and move..."

Chamba – "...it was very intelligent and trippy in a way that I often felt like (if I smoked enough of it) of watching myself from above which gave a new perspective of things..at the same time it took ages to put my shoes on!"

BongHitter99 - "…walking back to my room and WHAM! I’m fucking high now!....electric fiery energy courses through my body…heat felt in chest and face…my hearts pounding hard now, I know im in for a ride....feeling extreme euphoria, almost like I want to love the whole world…this is some serious love weed for sure!...very UPBEAT! And motivating …..clear, no couchlock or heavy body load, ….this shit is great for club hopping, partying, socializing….this high just takes your breath away in awe..."

Unknown Guest - "No doubt the very best weed I smoked in my life was Zamal. It only happened to me a couple of times to find some stash that reminded of zamal's quality in holland. The best weed is the one that was not touched nor fertilized by man during its whole life. When they hear about our HPSs and fertilizers stuff, they laugh a lot."

Laugan Gaucher - I love Haze! I don't like most of powered zamal/haze hybrids. psychotic and hallucinogenic. Like Lsd or psilocybine you can have good time and bad time at the same time."

Mosca Negra - "Gerrit's Zamal is some SUPER FINE SMOKE!!!""

Best Wishes,

ThaiBliss

 

[Dblbogey]

Sativa plant is 6' (but LST has it at about 4 feets)has not yet flowered but the top 12 inches ihowing vigorous alternating leaf pattern now. Expect flowers in the next three weeks.

On that plant, the bottom most branch is about 2 feet in length.

Since it has little chance of flowering but is the oldest branch on the plant I was thinking of taking the entire branch for attempt at cloning. The 5/8 inch diameter of the branch makes it the thickest branch I have ever attempted to cut and clone, usually taking much thinner (1/4") ones to attempt to clone. Not one of the hundred or so that I have taken for cuttings in the past has ever rooted but one, which was air layered rather than cut from the mother.

If I take that branch (or should I? Is it doing any good?? It gets very little light, as do several other branches on the back side of the plant) for cloning is that better than taking the newest shoots at the top that are close to flower??

Should I take it, do I have to put a pruning sealer over the main stem severed end since it is going to leave a 3/4" exposure on the main branch?

Would I be better off just bending the branch a little since it is so close to ground, into a trough, heap a couple inches of top soil on it and see if it roots?? If so, should I bury it all the way too the top, leaving no part of it exposed?

Thx in advance for any hope.....err.....help.

 

[Croissant]

Thaibliss,

Thank you! Excellent repost. I really appreciate you consolidating it like that. It is something that is rarely done and I think you are setting a really good example with that move. Satva is really good about thst kind of thing as well. Long threads over time can become unyeildy and while I have read the entire thread it was some time ago.

 

[satva]

Dblogey, cut new growth for clones. The 5/8 inch stem will take forever and a day to root. The new growth should root in less than two weeks. On smaller younger plants I take clones from lower branches.

PS> Never found LSD with an "everything is right" or "feel good" high - perhaps one reason why it never caught on with the masses.

PPS> Dubi's comments about Zamal's high are scary. "a terrorific electric high"... "serious paranoia and anxiety when correctly grown..." A mix between amphetamine and LSD."

PPS> I'm smoking blends of Punto Rojo with sativa hybrids. Punto Rojo has phenotypes with a feel good, expansive, euphoric, pleasurable, and phenotypes of Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry (DS x HMBB) have a similar high. DS x HMBB lacks the mental clarity of the high from a "feel good" Punto Rojo phenotype. Punto Rojo + Copalita Oaxacan and ColJam + Copalita Oaxacan are nice smoking blends.

 

[Mr. Roseberry]

Damn. I've got 4 zamaldelica coming down in a few weeks. Now I'm pumped

 

[pinkus]

phenotypes of Destroyer x Highland Guerrero / Blueberry (DS x HMBB) have a similar high. DS x HMBB lacks the mental clarity of the high from a "feel good" Punto Rojo phenotype. Punto Rojo + Copalita Oaxacan and ColJam + Copalita Oaxacan are nice smoking blends.

IME the HMxBB were pretty "narcotic" in their head space, but I've found some F2s and Xs that are centering, clear, "sativa" in their effects.

 

[satva]

HMBB

HMBB

HMBB has phenotypes with a nice sativa high for 12 weeks flowering. I like the energy flow of HMBB, I get things done on HMBB. Copalita Oaxacan is clearer than HMBB.

CoJam would brighten up the high of HMBB.
ColJam x HMBB has Skunk genetics.

Skunk - Colombian Gold, x (Guerrero Gold / Afghani)

ColJam x HMBB - [Colombian Gold/ Jamaican Lambsbread x Colombian Gold) x (Guerrero Green x Blueberry)]

HMBB smokes nice with Punto Rojo. Punto Rojo x HMBB similar genetics to Haze x Skunk

 

[Dblbogey]

Thx Satva. I have over 20 cutting from new growth in 4 different cloning technique:

Aerator
Rock wool
Top soil
plain h2o

Question: On branch broke, too severed to mend, so I removed it as a cutting, and wondered:

Since the branch has many nodes on it that have leaves, can I cut the cutting into, say 3
seven inch long cuttings, and attempt root all three? These sativas take so long to flower buy the space between nodes gets smaller and smaller as it reaches the top so there are what appears to be an opportunity to make one cutting into 3-4 with enough leaf growth to expect the cuttings to root.

 

[satva]

You can clone hardwood cuttings, they take much longer to root. I take cuttings of Rosemary and Lavender all the time.

 

[Croissant]

Hmm well it seems like if doubling down on sativa is the name of the game. Then testing some landrace Sativa's untill you find what your looking for then using those to oiut cross to your select hybrid cuttings and then taking those to the f2 and crossing your favorite selections from their together and you'll have created what you were looking for.

The landraces I've read about but havnt tried that appeal to me are are the punto Roja and zamal k1.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hmm well it seems like if doubling down on sativa is the name of the game. Then testing some landrace Sativa's untill you find what your looking for then using those to oiut cross to your select hybrid cuttings and then taking those to the f2 and crossing your favorite selections from their together and you'll have created what you were looking for.

The landraces I've read about but havnt tried that appeal to me are are the punto Roja and zamal k1.

That is boiling down the name of the game that I am playing, with some variations. Most of what I have found don't necessarily fall into clear cut groups.

Some individuals of crosses that qualify for having high quality sativa highs are:
SAGE
Bangi Haze
Nepal Jam

Bangi Haze and Nepal Jam have been inbred for many generations, but are still a bit too late to be reliable for my climate. I don't know the date that SAGE would ripen here, but I suspect it is much too late.

In the past I had a cut of a strain that I did not have enough experience with or knowledge about to understand if it was true breeding, but it was plenty early, had a high quality sativa type high, and had strong potency:
Seeing God

Seeing God was ripe on the second week of September, which is 2 weeks earlier than my ideal of being ripe before October 1st. The loss of Seeing God is one of my top 5 breeding regrets. If anyone is out there that has this, please let me know. I would travel the globe for this one.

I used to have, and have recently reacquired a strain that is true breeding that has the high I want, but is not quite early enough:
Burmese

Burmese is not the one or two hit wonder that would be ideal, but it definitely has top end power. I get higher and higher the more hits I take. I plan on crossing Burmese to many, many cuttings I have to make them easier to grow, beefier buds, and better tasting. If this strain was a few weeks earlier and a bit more potent, my search would be over. No..., the truth is, the search and the pollen chucking is FUN!


My Dank Dank (Wicked Weed) strain has been my best success due in large part to Burmese and the Seeing God in its ancestry. The flaw was crossing it (Wicked Weed) to the best tasting bud I ever grew, and introduced indica blandness to the high. I do seem to be overcoming this now in successive generations. It is a work in progress. I should start calling it Wicked Weed again, as the flavor diminishes, and the high rebounds. I am focusing only on the high. If I happen to find an exceptionally tasty one that also has a better high than average, well I would just be lucky.

Zamaldelica:
It is strong and very close to what I'm looking for, but is lacking the warmth and euphoria that I want with it. It is fairly quick flowering and easy to grow indoors. I have been assured that there are warm and euphoric individuals to be found. I would also like to find one with the electric eel type of energy to it.

I used to have a cross that had a supreme sativa high at its best and one hit power:
Neville's Haze

It did not breed true. I let it go, but have regretted it. I still have a few seeds of it's offspring.

A major complication for me is that I find it extremely difficult to grow pure sativa lines successfully indoors. For instance, I grew that Neville's Haze twice. One time it was the best weed I ever smoked. Another time it was less than average. Both times it looked about the same level of ripeness, but the time it was a failure it took two weeks less to ripen due to a slight tweak in the light cycle. Whoops. I learned a lot about yet another variable in the art of growing sativas indoors. Touchy, touchy! I'm willing to bet that a lot of strains get overlooked due to the grower not growing that particular strain just right. I believe it takes a few grows, at least, to learn about the sativa that one is growing. Sometimes you just get lucky, or unlucky.


Just some rambling about my search,

ThaiBliss

 

[village green]

ThaiBliss
A couple of thoughts....I believe the more natural spectrum of the CMH coupled with its UV component should significantly improve indoor grown Sativas. Have you considered how much faster you could refine your search if you could eliminate early ripening as a factor for outdoor grown plants. Manual or automated light deprivation techniques seem eminently doable even controlling for humidity. Lastly, I confidently predict you will never arrive at your destination ����

 

[ThaiBliss]

ThaiBliss
A couple of thoughts....I believe the more natural spectrum of the CMH coupled with its UV component should significantly improve indoor grown Sativas.

I visited some large scale indoor grow operations in Colorado. I'm sold on CMH in combination with plasma lights. Most people argue against plasma due to the spectrums that are most associated with growth, but that is the point, right? I saw a warehouse filled with only plasma lights. Holy crap, I could not believe the brightness and the natural color. Most other grows were all about the CMH. There were some really nice options with CMH, especially with dimmers for heat control. All it takes is money... I have some other priorities for the time being.

Have you considered how much faster you could refine your search if you could eliminate early ripening as a factor for outdoor grown plants. Manual or automated light deprivation techniques seem eminently doable even controlling for humidity.

Again, money. There is also ongoing overhead. Despite the early ripening factor, the area where I live is almost perfect for growing. No kidding. Even Californians eyes bug when they think they have the opportunity to smoke Oregon grown weed. This is a sweet spot, this little S.W. corner of the state, and I have had strains in the past that grew outdoors here that where world class.

Lastly, I confidently predict you will never arrive at your destination ����

LOL. In fact, I'll never get out of this world alive.

Best,

ThaiBliss

 

[Croissant]

What about djshorts flo? It was bred as an outdoor strain in the pnw so it will finish in time and I have read reports of select phenos having a high that felt like MDMA and mescaline. I havnt tried mescaline but I have read reports that it was a more organic and euphoric trip than LSD. MDMA, well at least the real stuff feels like the most incredible euphoria ever.

The thing with those land races though is it would probaby be best to find the high type then x them to s super early finisher like the flo and f2 them to dig through to find the high type and on a plant that will finish in your climate.

 

[Shooters]

What about djshorts flo? It was bred as an outdoor strain in the pnw so it will finish in time and I have read reports of select phenos having a high that felt like MDMA and mescaline. I havnt tried mescaline but I have read reports that it was a more organic and euphoric trip than LSD. MDMA, well at least the real stuff feels like the most incredible euphoria ever.

The thing with those land races though is it would probaby be best to find the high type then x them to s super early finisher like the flo and f2 them to dig through to find the high type and on a plant that will finish in your climate.

Interesting thought, Croissant. I have DJ's Flo in Std form. My first two seeds died right outa the gate as soon as the heads popped up, #3 is a male and #4 is a female. #3 has been putting out flowers since June even with the only light being sitting next to a window, however it hasn't yet dropped any pollen, not one grain, I've had four other males over that time sitting next to the same window and they all have been dropping pollen, just not Flo.

#4 being in the green house I thought it safe to let her grow as her genetics determined. Very slow growth over all, compared to others, and in the Christmas tree shape, but with weak joints at the branching off the main trunk. So far she has dropped 7 of her lower branches, every time I watered her she would drop two or so over night. Now she has been fenced up to support the branches but I've already lost over half her production.

She also doesn't like to root clones, I've 4 left surviving out of the 7 I've pulled and those are not looking to good with no new vegetative growth.

I knew going in that this one was going to be a bit harder to grow, just not this hard. I hope she is worth it, and if I do breed her, since the male isn't responding with pollen, it would be to something with a stronger branch structure, like purple malawi or violeta.

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[Riddleme]

Hey Thai,

I asked around bout your Seeing God strain and no one in my circles have ever heard of it ? plus there is zero on Google except your thread. Do you perhaps have any other details that could help find it ?

On a lighter note the Dalat has started buddin up in week 10
.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

I visited some large scale indoor grow operations in Colorado. I'm sold on CMH in combination with plasma lights. ThaiBliss

thai-- were they growing sativa's??? not having been out there in many years I would guess these large (and small) grows have only one thing in mind...$$$$... so why grow a sativa and get 2..maybe 3 harvests a year, when u can get 5-6 crops with an indica.. ??

maybe u can charge more for a bag of sativa, but not enough to make up for the time it costs you...

 

[pinkus]

thai-- were they growing sativa's??? not having been out there in many years I would guess these large (and small) grows have only one thing in mind...$$$$... so why grow a sativa and get 2..maybe 3 harvests a year, when u can get 5-6 crops with an indica.. ??

The yield of a true sativa can be staggering.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I also think people are way more likely to pheno hunt with a potent 60 day strain. I have tasted enough sativa magic to be hooked. And I'm confident I have yet to pop an actual winner. I hate using bag appeal as a criteria. But I'm sure as the search goes on I'll find some plants that satisfy my psychedelic craving and still be worth producing commercially. And if not, more for me. In my opinion some of these people who like to dab all day have yet to notice the quality of high from a proper sativa. As time goes on and more states become legal there will develop a nitch market for top quality long flowering plants. I'd rather puff a Zamamdelica or nh x oaxacan than anything that ends up laying me out or making me groggy. (I would like a good head to toe numby strain, different subject though)