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The Search for Trip Weed
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LOL Yes, I have described it as a bit dark. It has a lot of trippy traits that I'm looking for, but it does not have that "everything is right with the world" reassuring feel that I get from SAGE and others. It is not the be all and end all of my search, but it is close.
I have a cutting of each gender stable individual that I have found.
Do you have experience with more than one ColJam individual? How many have you tried? I'm wondering if you have come across an exceptional one, or if you are seeing consistency across individuals.
I don't mind the intense and/or speedy types. My most fond memories are of Jamaican and Thai Stick. Scary is a good thing once in a while. We should all experience it. It reminds me I'm alive and it is good.
ThaiBliss
Mr. Roseberry
Member
I have a pack of ColJam chilling in the fridge. Satva has me anxious to pop them.
I've also got a tent full of zamaldelica that should be ready for harvest in 4-6 weeks
I've also got a tent full of zamaldelica that should be ready for harvest in 4-6 weeks
ColJam
ColJam
Do you have experience with more than one ColJam individual?
I plant 5 -6 seeds, got three females, and a male. I selected for Colombian Gold - flowered the female that most resembled Punto Rojo. Tried to flower a Jamaican Lambsbread pheno, but couldn't get it to go.
I'm smoking "the one" selected Colombian Gold dominate female of ColJam.
ColJam Colombian Gold dominate
I'm planting 5 -6 seeds of each:
Copalita Oaxacan x ColJam
Punto Rojo -1 x ColJam
Copalita Oaxacan x Punto Rojo
ColJam f2
Punto Rojo-3 f2
ColJam
Do you have experience with more than one ColJam individual?
I plant 5 -6 seeds, got three females, and a male. I selected for Colombian Gold - flowered the female that most resembled Punto Rojo. Tried to flower a Jamaican Lambsbread pheno, but couldn't get it to go.
I'm smoking "the one" selected Colombian Gold dominate female of ColJam.
ColJam Colombian Gold dominate
I'm planting 5 -6 seeds of each:
Copalita Oaxacan x ColJam
Punto Rojo -1 x ColJam
Copalita Oaxacan x Punto Rojo
ColJam f2
Punto Rojo-3 f2
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Croissant
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That'd "everything is right with the world" feeling I have found often comes from indica sativa hybrids. Like you often refer to sage and other hybrid plants. The thing I find strange is these discussions often turn into a landrace sativa convention or only focusing on the sativa aspect because the bar like becomes set in the sativa direction. What I am saying is don't rule out the indica component. It may be that it is the indica component that gives strains the "everything is right In the world feeling" by providing a warm gooey center to a clear headed high that might feel cold without that indica component.
So I think it is important to think in terms of like ingredients in a stew don't completely rule out indica's as I once heard "There's still meat on that bone. add a potato a few carrots and Baby you got a stew going!"
For example a few indica dominant plants I can think of that provide that everything's right off the top of my head are yumboldt and deep chunk they don't give you that drooling dorito stained fimgers stereotypical indica stone. Just very relaxing and warm, apeaerently x18 is the same deal. I think one of those crossed to something like Apollo 11 smart weed pheno and boom there it is. The thing is Apollo 11 on its own I find cold and yumboldt on its own is very dreamy and lacks focus. Its like in cooking you have to mix the flavors to balance each other out. To find the "sativa Afghani genetic equilibrium". Satva gave you some good examples from the sativa end you already have a few hybrids and I've given you a few indica suggestions.
So I think it is important to think in terms of like ingredients in a stew don't completely rule out indica's as I once heard "There's still meat on that bone. add a potato a few carrots and Baby you got a stew going!"
For example a few indica dominant plants I can think of that provide that everything's right off the top of my head are yumboldt and deep chunk they don't give you that drooling dorito stained fimgers stereotypical indica stone. Just very relaxing and warm, apeaerently x18 is the same deal. I think one of those crossed to something like Apollo 11 smart weed pheno and boom there it is. The thing is Apollo 11 on its own I find cold and yumboldt on its own is very dreamy and lacks focus. Its like in cooking you have to mix the flavors to balance each other out. To find the "sativa Afghani genetic equilibrium". Satva gave you some good examples from the sativa end you already have a few hybrids and I've given you a few indica suggestions.
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Croissant - this has been on my mind a bit of late as I reckon the indica component can take the body 'the realms' whilst the sativa rockets the mind but I've not experimented asyet. I have only with some butter than definitely had indica and took me to the outer realms. No idea what was in it though!
I am actually seeking a 'strong mystical' indica to cross with a Zamaldelica. I'm still pretty new to it all.
As a side note my 10 pack of Zamaldelica regs came in today.
I am actually seeking a 'strong mystical' indica to cross with a Zamaldelica. I'm still pretty new to it all.
As a side note my 10 pack of Zamaldelica regs came in today.
Croissant
Member
Nksv I am not sure exactly what you mean by mystical. But the experience with the herb is pretty subjective. Like the first time I got high was off of brown brick weed but I heard echo's and felt like I was floating 3 feet of the ground. Nothing has ever rivaled that but after smoking higher potency strains the brick weed did nothing. So tolerance has a lot to do with it and then their is just the character of certain strains and phenos but those characteristic are based off of tolerance to THC so once your tolerance changes you experience certain aspects more clearly and become numb to others. Like if you start smoking nothing but a good pheno of ogkush all day a few months later you become some kind of potency snob and a pheno of a sativa that may have once given you a panic at take might now show you a new dimension to weed you enjoy. At the same time the strain that might have the best qualities if what you are looking for may be somethijyou have become numb to and in effect that mystical experience maybe a door that has become closed to you untikk your tollerence adjusts.
Riddleme
Member
I have grown the Kumaoni and Lebanese from real seed and neither were trippy but both were good. I preferred the Lebanese of the two, the Kumaoni had a higher CBD % with a mild euphoric high. I would think that to find a trippy pheno would require a large plant count as I've grown only a few seeds that were all very similar.
I crossed the Lebanese to Ace's Golden Tiger and the result was very nice
Hi Croissant,
Thanks for posting. I will certainly concede that there are plenty of examples of plants with indica in the background that smoke great and can have the "everything is right in the world" feel. There are even crosses with indica that only carry the racy scary powerful trippy feel without the bliss of knowing that everything is cool. Although, those are very rare. B.T.W., still searching for the lost Pine Cone. LOL
I once had a very special Skunk #1. I had looked through about a dozen of them before I found one that captured that dreamy Colombian feel. It was narcotic, trippy, and floaty. It was narcotic without couch-lock. It made me soar without speeding the heart. Is it possible to be thrilled and content at the same time? Yes! It also tasted divine with its hashy, coffee, berry wine, with a hint of skunk. So sweet and so rich! It was also very easy to grow. What a great strain.
I also loved a particular Early Girl cut. It was Mexican x Afghani. This one made my mind soar while being truly relaxing. This was the first time in the context of describing a high from weed that "relaxing" did not give me negative couch-lock connotations. Someone else grew it, and it was the first weed I purchased in decades. I always had plenty of variety from what I was growing, but I just had to have that one.
I don't discount blended genetics. I just think people took the indica thing too far. In my humble opinion, breeders should have been back crossing to sativa strains instead of doubling down on the indicas. There are perfectly logical reasons for it, but it was a travesty to me, and I completely disagree that indicas are a necessary component to attaining the "everything is right with the world" feeling that I am talking about. I have not had more than a very few times the blazing, adrenaline rush, extreme trippy that also mellowed out to the "everything is right..." shortly after reaching the peak in an indica cross. It was not uncommon for pure sativas in the old days. There is simply a top end gear for the mind that indicas do not have, and you will lose that almost all of the time when crossing these two dramatically different types. In my experience, 98% of indica crosses do not have it. That 2% is the playground that I'm playing in due to the latitude I live in. You have to remember that this top gear was not the norm when smoking only sativas for decades. I'm searching for the exceptional sativas of the old days.
My head wants what my head wants. It is not to say the other peoples minds don't need something else. I have smoked for decades before I even smoked bud from the plant that was bred for making hash. I have experienced way too much variety in my lifetime to not know about the weed that is supreme for my tastes. The travesty is that in my neck of the woods many of those were left behind for easier to grow varieties.
Fortunately, there are many on ICMAG who have experienced the great ones, or are willing to believe that phenomenal strains existed before the indica invasion. Many have caught enough of a glimpse of them to continue the search for these rare gems and care for them before they are lost.
I hope everyone gets to experience these.
ThaiBliss
Croissant
Member
Thaibliss,
I don't doubt that what you speak of is in pure Sativa's. I've had it once in 2002 from some floral lemony brick weed in Costa Rica. To this day it was the best high I have come across. I just felt lifted and like enhanced and passionate like the afterglow of good sex with like a trippy audio component that manifested in fits of laughter. I had 100's of seeds too but I justtossed them. The rasta kids I was smoking with told me that it smoked like Colombian so they thought it was Colombian but they didn't really know because everything is imported. I had to smoke a lot of that stuff though and it was still a little fresh and very sticky.
I guess what I'm saying is finding what I describe might be rarer now but its more likely to find aspects of the high in certain strains so if you have an indica or possible hybrid that you know passes the warm gooey center it may be a good spice to have in the rack.
I don't doubt that what you speak of is in pure Sativa's. I've had it once in 2002 from some floral lemony brick weed in Costa Rica. To this day it was the best high I have come across. I just felt lifted and like enhanced and passionate like the afterglow of good sex with like a trippy audio component that manifested in fits of laughter. I had 100's of seeds too but I justtossed them. The rasta kids I was smoking with told me that it smoked like Colombian so they thought it was Colombian but they didn't really know because everything is imported. I had to smoke a lot of that stuff though and it was still a little fresh and very sticky.
I guess what I'm saying is finding what I describe might be rarer now but its more likely to find aspects of the high in certain strains so if you have an indica or possible hybrid that you know passes the warm gooey center it may be a good spice to have in the rack.
Riddleme
Member
High Thaibliss 
At some point more growers need to join me in thinkin outside the box. A few growers have and it's nice to verify a few things I have seen over the years with others. That said please allow me to offer some more things that make you go Hhhmmmmm ,,,,,,
Whether we are searching for trippy weed or that everything is right in the world feeling the most important factor is "genetic expression" Recently there has been actual research into the DNA of cannabis and it has been determined that there is no differences DNA wise between Sativa & Indica and that the expressed differences are more about the environment they are grown in. Most of us are also now aware of how the various terpenes affect the high thanks to research now called the Entourage Effect abd we also know that CBD acts as a regulator for THC (I say we as I assume most have read these research papers?)
I have spent years isolating various factors that alter genetic response/expression, light timings, climate, spectrum, minerals and as a result have settled on how I run my garden to fulfill my needs. EVERY strain I grow creeps, is energetic and euphoric. Nothing comes out of my garden with any kind of couch lock and that includes Land Race Indicas. You could give me a clone of your most narcotic couch lockin strain and I'll make it uplifting, have done so many times, with many strains.
I have bred many strains that are Sat/Indy Hybrids that all have the defined old school highs, racy, trippy, uplifting, euphoric, expanding, giggly, enhanced senses. But most importantly No ceiling, what we call legs (how long the high last) and ZERO tolerance issues, been smokin the same strain every day for over 3 years and get the exact same high from the same amount every time (just like the old days). I have put years into figuring this out and bringing back those old school genetics, things like true amber and bleedin red (redish/purple streaks on stems) Forum Rhetoric dictates it is a deficiency but this is not true as I have isolated the environment that brings it out and not all strains do it and I harvest all my strains with 60 to 90% amber trics and as stated zero couch lock.
How folks dry and cure also effects the outcome of the high as what is mostly accepted today as the proper way is aerobic when most old school methods were anaerobic ie: Malawi Cobs. The fermentation chamber I invented combines the two somewhat and am currently experimenting on enhancing it even further. I have even successfully restarted the cure on weed that was too dried out using a method used by Tobacco farmers for centuries. My method actually makes the bud ooze resin that then dries and acts as protecting film, I'll add a pic of a Blue Dream bud that has been in the jars for over 2 years, please note the preserved white hairs in the upper right corner. When my buds are broken apart the smells escape, yeppers my buds don't reak in the jars. They also "wet" up from releasin the oils in the trics and a broken up bud feels like kief and sticks to your fingers like fresh trim.
It was not the crossing of Sativa to Indica that watered down our herb, as it has been determined the DNA of both is the same. It was movin grows indoors and using HPS lights (wrong spectrum) and changing the dry/cure process as well as breeding under HPS lights in the absence of UV. I incorporate UV in all stages, seedling/clone, veg & flower. And while not many listen to me much there are a few that have and have replicated my findings in their gardens.
Someday, most likely after I'm dead, the world will thank me
http://theleafonline.com/c/science/2015/01/indica-sativa-ruderalis-get-wrong/
http://www.roche.com/media/store/releases/med_dia_2011-08-18b.htm
http://www.medicinalgenomics.com/wp...a-putatively-novel-cannabis-species_sbmt3.pdf
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/17/cannabis-genome-got-mapped-qa-dr-jonathan-page/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis#Continuing_research
At some point more growers need to join me in thinkin outside the box. A few growers have and it's nice to verify a few things I have seen over the years with others. That said please allow me to offer some more things that make you go Hhhmmmmm ,,,,,,
Whether we are searching for trippy weed or that everything is right in the world feeling the most important factor is "genetic expression" Recently there has been actual research into the DNA of cannabis and it has been determined that there is no differences DNA wise between Sativa & Indica and that the expressed differences are more about the environment they are grown in. Most of us are also now aware of how the various terpenes affect the high thanks to research now called the Entourage Effect abd we also know that CBD acts as a regulator for THC (I say we as I assume most have read these research papers?)
I have spent years isolating various factors that alter genetic response/expression, light timings, climate, spectrum, minerals and as a result have settled on how I run my garden to fulfill my needs. EVERY strain I grow creeps, is energetic and euphoric. Nothing comes out of my garden with any kind of couch lock and that includes Land Race Indicas. You could give me a clone of your most narcotic couch lockin strain and I'll make it uplifting, have done so many times, with many strains.
I have bred many strains that are Sat/Indy Hybrids that all have the defined old school highs, racy, trippy, uplifting, euphoric, expanding, giggly, enhanced senses. But most importantly No ceiling, what we call legs (how long the high last) and ZERO tolerance issues, been smokin the same strain every day for over 3 years and get the exact same high from the same amount every time (just like the old days). I have put years into figuring this out and bringing back those old school genetics, things like true amber and bleedin red (redish/purple streaks on stems) Forum Rhetoric dictates it is a deficiency but this is not true as I have isolated the environment that brings it out and not all strains do it and I harvest all my strains with 60 to 90% amber trics and as stated zero couch lock.
How folks dry and cure also effects the outcome of the high as what is mostly accepted today as the proper way is aerobic when most old school methods were anaerobic ie: Malawi Cobs. The fermentation chamber I invented combines the two somewhat and am currently experimenting on enhancing it even further. I have even successfully restarted the cure on weed that was too dried out using a method used by Tobacco farmers for centuries. My method actually makes the bud ooze resin that then dries and acts as protecting film, I'll add a pic of a Blue Dream bud that has been in the jars for over 2 years, please note the preserved white hairs in the upper right corner. When my buds are broken apart the smells escape, yeppers my buds don't reak in the jars. They also "wet" up from releasin the oils in the trics and a broken up bud feels like kief and sticks to your fingers like fresh trim.
It was not the crossing of Sativa to Indica that watered down our herb, as it has been determined the DNA of both is the same. It was movin grows indoors and using HPS lights (wrong spectrum) and changing the dry/cure process as well as breeding under HPS lights in the absence of UV. I incorporate UV in all stages, seedling/clone, veg & flower. And while not many listen to me much there are a few that have and have replicated my findings in their gardens.
Someday, most likely after I'm dead, the world will thank me
http://theleafonline.com/c/science/2015/01/indica-sativa-ruderalis-get-wrong/
http://www.roche.com/media/store/releases/med_dia_2011-08-18b.htm
http://www.medicinalgenomics.com/wp...a-putatively-novel-cannabis-species_sbmt3.pdf
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/02/17/cannabis-genome-got-mapped-qa-dr-jonathan-page/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis#Continuing_research
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Thinking outside the box
Thinking outside the box
There are PLENTY of people who think outside the box without veering into health hazard territory. I want to give the plant a BETTER place in society, not put it out back with lead, or explody butane (not you), extra UV, (yeah it's BAD you know) or any other possible HAZARD to human health. If you like your stuff that's fantastic, but if I ever find someone giving me weed with extra lead... I'' likely end up in jail for OTHER reasons.
Anaerobic fermentation has a long history. Mostly good... there are some really friggin NASTY bugs that can occur. Check out the possible bugs is my suggestion.
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Again, have at it and enjoy your experiments, but trying to get others on board with ....you already know.
Thinking outside the box
There are PLENTY of people who think outside the box without veering into health hazard territory. I want to give the plant a BETTER place in society, not put it out back with lead, or explody butane (not you), extra UV, (yeah it's BAD you know) or any other possible HAZARD to human health. If you like your stuff that's fantastic, but if I ever find someone giving me weed with extra lead... I'' likely end up in jail for OTHER reasons.
Anaerobic fermentation has a long history. Mostly good... there are some really friggin NASTY bugs that can occur. Check out the possible bugs is my suggestion.
. Again, have at it and enjoy your experiments, but trying to get others on board with ....you already know.
Riddleme
Member
I'm not tellin anyone to add lead to their grows, but ironically when I was doin the lead experiment another grower was doin mercury and came up with similar results. Seems it's not just one heavy metal but most of em that invoke a genetic response from the plants. And what if my hypothesis about leaded pot being a cure for cancer is correct? This study was done in 1974 (the year we switched to unleaded gas) once the findings were released our guberment shut it downThere are PLENTY of people who think outside the box without veering into health hazard territory. I want to give the plant a BETTER place in society, not put it out back with lead, or explody butane (not you), extra UV, (yeah it's BAD you know) or any other possible HAZARD to human health. If you like your stuff that's fantastic, but if I ever find someone giving me weed with extra lead... I'' likely end up in jail for OTHER reasons.
Anaerobic fermentation has a long history. Mostly good... there are some really friggin NASTY bugs that can occur. Check out the possible bugs is my suggestion.
Again, have at it and enjoy your experiments, but trying to get others on board with ....you already know.
http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/19...-antineoplastic-activity-of-cannabinoids.html
Results backed up by another study done in Madrid in 2000, Spain terminated use of leaded gas in 2006
https://patients4medicalmarijuana.w...es-cancer-us-government-has-known-since-1974/
As for UV, I'm not the only grower that uses UV bulbs in their gardens. But I am old enough to remember a time before humans needed sunscreen
And what about all that herb bein grown outside in the sun ?http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/csd/assessments/ozone/2006/chapters/Q17.pdf
Seems to me as debates go your mind may well not be very open? And that is no way meant to dis your health concerns. I never present these ideas with any intent to provoke arguments it simply seems odd to me that the notion I presented is backed by known evidence and like many things it seems these days there are folks that refuse to "see" ? Global warming comes to mind as a recent popular notion not accepted by many?
And if ya google lead or heavy metals found in organic food you get a lot of articles so no reason to add links on that
Like I said, I'm NOT askin or tellin folks how to grow, I am merely presenting ideas and notions from my out of the box thoughts and research. What growers do with this info is absolutely up to them
LMFAO, I'm open to all sorts of things. I have a UV bulb or order . I'm not for making an inherently safe plant unsafe. I just think it's a misrepresentation to say others don't think outside the box just because they don't follow YOU. There are a thousand ways to skin a cat that don't involve spattering it with heavy metals.
Honestly my hat's off to your testing with you as a guinea pig, but firmly back on when you tell people they should follow your lead. (pun intended) I only come back to this thread every month or so and you're seemingly playing pied piper , "follow me to great weed! (and premature senility, narcolepsy and death)"
I should probably have said I have a good friend who got heavy metal poisoning from remodeling old houses in the north east. She has narcolepsy as a result. Actually it had been diagnosed as narcolepsy and recently switched to metal poisoning. YMMV and make of it what you will.
EDIT: i don't believe weed has gotten weaker, I believe our tolerance is up. But I smoke my own selections vs. what johnny down the street sells. I don't like your basic "indica" type weed...at least not as much as up stuff.
. I'm not for making an inherently safe plant unsafe. I just think it's a misrepresentation to say others don't think outside the box just because they don't follow YOU. There are a thousand ways to skin a cat that don't involve spattering it with heavy metals. Honestly my hat's off to your testing with you as a guinea pig, but firmly back on when you tell people they should follow your lead. (pun intended) I only come back to this thread every month or so and you're seemingly playing pied piper , "follow me to great weed! (and premature senility, narcolepsy and death)"
I should probably have said I have a good friend who got heavy metal poisoning from remodeling old houses in the north east. She has narcolepsy as a result. Actually it had been diagnosed as narcolepsy and recently switched to metal poisoning. YMMV and make of it what you will.
EDIT: i don't believe weed has gotten weaker, I believe our tolerance is up
. But I smoke my own selections vs. what johnny down the street sells. I don't like your basic "indica" type weed...at least not as much as up stuff.
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Riddleme
Member
LMFAO, I'm open to all sorts of things. I have a UV bulb or order
Honestly my hat's off to your testing with you as a guinea pig, but firmly back on when you tell people they should follow your lead. (pun intended)
Well now we're both laughin
I do not have any ego issues, I am not lookin for folks to follow me, I am not the pied piper I openly for many years have said that growers should do their own research and their own experiments. I merely share mine and as I already said what folks do with the info ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Have a great rest of your day
Riddleme
Member
LMFAO, I'm open to all sorts of things. I have a UV bulb or order
Honestly my hat's off to your testing with you as a guinea pig, but firmly back on when you tell people they should follow your lead. (pun intended) I only come back to this thread every month or so and you're seemingly playing pied piper , "follow me to great weed! (and premature senility, narcolepsy and death)"
I should probably have said I have a good friend who got heavy metal poisoning from remodeling old houses in the north east. She has narcolepsy as a result. Actually it had been diagnosed as narcolepsy and recently switched to metal poisoning. YMMV and make of it what you will.
EDIT: i don't believe weed has gotten weaker, I believe our tolerance is up
Thank you for the edit, makes sense from your friends experience that me sayin feed your plant heavy metals would hit you much like if I said alcohol can benefit your life to someone whose family was killed by a drunk driver. I am in no way trying to make light of such events in peoples lives !!!
And in my garden it is not lead that takes away my tolerance issues it is how I grow and how I breed. I smoke on average 2 joints a day but never more than 3 and recently I met a young grower that a) never smoked weed in the 70's b) works for a commercial grow operation here in Colorado c) does grow consulting for home growers 7 d) smokes a quarter lb of weed a week and this was what he typed in his thread at another forum after we met,,,,,,
"got to meet the legend @RM3 today over at @ttystikk and gonna follow his advice in breeding cause after smoking his strain today all I can say is humbling. Had a whole different type of high I smoke an average of quarter pound week and I smoke a lil Pinner joint between 3 other people and damn. Got a lot of insight into ways of just growing better."
and before ya laugh, trust me I hate bein called a legend but my point is that it is easy to fix the watered down weed and it does not require any heavy metals
Ah cool, thanks for the feedback. I was thinking of crossing the Himalayans with Zamadelica if they were what I was hoping for. I was mostly looking at the RSC Malana, Nanda Devi and Kumaoni (as one of them was supposed to be 'psychedelic in high doses'. But yeah, had a feeling, as you mentioned, that the 'trip' plant would take a bit to find. Still might have a crack, they look like lovely strains.
ThaiBliss - totally with you bro, that's totally why I am doing what I am doing. This guide has been so helpful for me. Really appreciate the detailed work in this thread.
I've not forgotten to give you further reports on my Zamaldelica btw - waiting for further curing. But I can say that after a month I had a feeling as though my astral body was trying to escape! haha and a mild shroom feel where my kitchen changed to something else for a while. Man, I really love this strain. 10 pack just arrived from ACE labelled 'Thai' so I am very excited by this. Also a Panama fem. I'll be building a little greenhouse to get some outdoors going as the pics in here are making me was too sad when I see my small little cab ladies!
I've not forgotten to give you further reports on my Zamaldelica btw - waiting for further curing. But I can say that after a month I had a feeling as though my astral body was trying to escape! haha and a mild shroom feel where my kitchen changed to something else for a while. Man, I really love this strain. 10 pack just arrived from ACE labelled 'Thai' so I am very excited by this. Also a Panama fem. I'll be building a little greenhouse to get some outdoors going as the pics in here are making me was too sad when I see my small little cab ladies!
