The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings,

Thanks for all the posts.

Croissant - I grew a Flo once. I liked the flavor, but I don't remember anything special about the high. I had something better at the time. I'm not positive, but I think it was Burmese. I had a collection of seeds from British Colombia. It was about the time I took a long hiatus from growing, and I gave away a lot of seeds I had. From all those B.C. seeds I had, I wish I had back Strawberry, El Niño, Flo, and Burmese. I just acquired Burmese this week. Strawberry was the strongest, Burmese was the most trippy, El Niño was laughing weed. I culled El Niño because of really bad hermaphrodism. I have since learned about the genetic history of Flo, and the following it has. I also smoked a Johnny Blaze that I loved. It was more about the flavor and the spine tingling euphoria than the potency. At this point, I'd rather have Johnny Blaze than any other DJ Short strain that I can think of. I do have some Blue Dream x Headband waiting in the wings to try.


Shooters - That Flow looks awesome. I believe I did not let mine get ripe enough, possibly. It may have been that I grew an individual that was not impressive, then gave up too early. I wish I tried more of them.

Riddleme - I'll post a description of Seeing God later. I have to run.

Zackrockbadenof - Everything I saw looked like crosses to me. There were a lot of Blue Dream and Green Crack, but I was looking for their most sativa dominant strains and didn't pay much attention to the others.

Bigtacofarmer - They were growing a lot of weed for extract, so looks were not foremost. I think more than 50% goes to edibles.

Have a great day,

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hey Thai,

I asked around bout your Seeing God strain and no one in my circles have ever heard of it ? plus there is zero on Google except your thread. Do you perhaps have any other details that could help find it ?

On a lighter note the Dalat has started buddin up in week 10
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I'm loving the look of that Dalat. Nice job.

Seeing God:

This plant had thin medium long leaves. The Ciskei I have growing now reminds me of the overall structure, but the leaves of Seeing God were not quite as thin. The buds of Seeing God were small, but very nicely stacked up for a long distance down the main stem, forming pencil thin straight spears about 2 or 3 feet long. They were probably the same diameter as a quarter at it's most robust, but comprised of about dime diameter size buds on each side of the stem. "Spears" is a really good nown/adjective for these Seeing God tops. Trimming was a pain. This was not due to leafy buds, they were actually quite clean, but since they were small and there were so many of them stacked up tightly along the main stem, it made for a lot of fan leaves to remove. The leaf petioles were long enough and the leaves thin enough to thwart any look of leafiness. There was enough separation of leaves and buds to really give it a spear look. You could see the skinny but dense spear along the center. I was recently reminded of the types of buds that Seeing God had by pictures of Durban Poison sugar sticks.

Another distinguishing feature was the very small seeds it produced. Come to think of it... Ciskei seeds are small also. I don't remember the menthol and lemon aromas in Seeing God that Ciskei has, but the spiciness might be similar. I believe I have seen pictures of Cannabis growing in Nepal or Bhutan that looked like Seeing God. I always thought it must have been some exotic strain that grows at a very high altitude like Nepal. Why else would it flower so early?

The Seeing God buds cured to dark green/brown color and did not look nearly as resinous as the sugar sticks. Everything about Seeing God was small. Small seeds, thin buds, small but numerous resin glands tight to the calyx. I don't remember any resin on the leaves. There was a distinct delineation of the resin, all on the buds, and none on the leaves. Perhaps Seeing God was Durban Poison but crossed to something much earlier.

The aroma and taste was spicy/peppery once it got fully ripe. It was one of the better tasting strains I ever grew. The buds were quite potent and although cerebral would be a good description, I would not hold it up as the best example of the quality of high I am looking for, but it definitely fell into the cerebral sativa side of highs.

Other than its potency, the thing that made it exceptional was how early it ripened. The earliest plant I ever grew in my life was ripe the first week of September, but it was shit. The Seeing God cutting I grew was the second earliest ripening plant I have grown, being ready for harvest the second week in September. I experimented with the third week of September harvest, and it might of tasted better, but I don't think the high got any better.

It was in my top 10 most potent strains I ever grew. It floored people. Some of my friends told me a story of how they would sadistically put the hurt on people who had been drinking by turning them on to it. The high from it would slowly creep up, and before people understood how strong it was, they had smoked too much of it for it to fun. If you had been drinking more than a couple of drinks, there was a good chance you might become nauseated when you got under it's grip. My friends were seasoned smokers of strong sativas and were used to handling weed better than the normal stuff that most other people smoke. My friends were light drinkers who, apparently, looked down on people who drank too much. They took some sort of macho pride in how much they could smoke. I always titrated my smoking, compared to them, to find the perfect quality of high, though I do like it strong.

The combination of cerebral high, potency, and earliness makes Seeing God in the top 5 strains that I ever lost. It would have been the most phenomenal breeding tool for outdoor strains in this area. I'd want to improve the quality of the high, or simply use it to move the ripening date of another strain earlier without of loss of potency. The potency was definitely there.

I had seeds from Thai weed that I had grown successfully indoors. I also had some kind of very powerful, cerebral, and scary 5 week ripening cutting, possibly auto flowering, and a tasty and powerful strain named Pine Cone that are the ones I can think of off the top of my head that I very unwisely lost, and most deeply regret. I had no idea that I would be searching for decades for something like those strains.

ThaiBliss

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hey TB, How's the monsters going bro?

Greetings Again,

I feel fall in the air. It has been getting up to 100 degrees Fahrenheit during the day, but it drops down to 60 degrees at night which feels brisk. We start getting wild daily temperature swings at this time of year, due to the very dry and clear atmosphere, and it feels like flowering time.

Here are some plants poking out above my 10 foot tall fence:

NepJam Early Flowers:

Wicked Weed (Dank Dank):

I tried to capture the ancestry of my Wicked Weed line in the Wicked Weed album, in case anyone is interested:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=61525

I think it reflects my preference for S.E. Asian genetics, and the importance I put on Seeing God and Burmese by the moments in history I went from pollen chucking to line breeding, and how many times I backcrossed to the results shortly after the line breeding I did immediately after the cross to Seeing God. I hope this makes sense.

ThaiBliss

 

[Dblbogey]

!!!!!First cutting to show rootlets!!!!! hatched in an Aero 4.3 gallon, h2o with a few drops liquid seaweed, 3 day soak in plain H2o, then 11 days with liquid seaweed enhancement, and sprayer on and aerating.

I have tried so many methods in the last year and a half, I have lost the motivation to count them, and then just a hail mary for kicks I stuck this stem, about 3/16 diameter in the Aero, and waited bolding out the tiniest of persistent hope. Changed h2o once a week ago.

I have moved the cutting into a Rapid rooter for support and moisture retention, and then that into 4" peat pot, with planting mix, work castings, and perlite. Fingers and toes crossed that abundant roots shall issue forth and gimme a plant.

I assume nothing from this Trial and Error attempt out of frustration and desperation to get these 20 yr old seeds that have survived and prospered, but refused so far to give me one clone.

Unless y'all have any idea why such a nearly denuded stem (the top of which I cut off as the main cutting which is half as round as the stem, placed in the Aero bucket, a third of leaves removed, all excess fan leaves removed, but has not shown any rootlets yet) would sprout white rootlets, I'll just chalk it up to a total mystery but for the

.....obvious: the area that sprouted had singular potential that no other part of the stem did to reward me, and there is no guarantee the rootlets will survive to really take off and give me a decent clone.

Will check in a week to see if it thrives.

Thx for any input as to what I should be doing to give this rooted stem, 12" long, the best chance it can have to live.

 

[Dblbogey]

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[village green]

Greetings,

Thanks for all the posts.

Croissant - I grew a Flo once. I liked the flavor, but I don't remember anything special about the high. I had something better at the time. I'm not positive, but I think it was Burmese. I had a collection of seeds from British Colombia. It was about the time I took a long hiatus from growing, and I gave away a lot of seeds I had. From all those B.C. seeds I had, I wish I had back Strawberry, El Niño, Flo, and Burmese. I just acquired Burmese this week. Strawberry was the strongest, Burmese was the most trippy, El Niño was laughing weed. I culled El Niño because of really bad hermaphrodism. I have since learned about the genetic history of Flo, and the following it has. I also smoked a Johnny Blaze that I loved. It was more about the flavor and the spine tingling euphoria than the potency. At this point, I'd rather have Johnny Blaze than any other DJ Short strain that I can think of. I do have some Blue Dream x Headband waiting in the wings to try.


Shooters - That Flow looks awesome. I believe I did not let mine get ripe enough, possibly. It may have been that I grew an individual that was not impressive, then gave up too early. I wish I tried more of them.


As much as I love Flo I doubt it would be in line with what you are looking for. It has certain elements for sure such as euphoria and an ability to feel empathy. The former reminded me of disco doses of acid while the latter felt like real MDMA. It lacked for me the rush of disorientation and fear that can be so thrilling.

There are threads on the DJ Short forum that go back 10 years. The ones on Flo and Highland Oaxacan Gold written mostly by Mr. Alkaline are staggering with psychological, botanical, cultural and historical information. Any readers who love this thread would likely be fascinated by them. They are " The FLORAL Creation and Character of DJ Short" and "The Highland Oaxacan Gold Thread".

 

[mexicani-ar]

Bodhi Acapulco Gold

Bodhi Acapulco Gold

She's at 12 weeks of flowering 11/13 - on/off, saludos Mexicani-ar

 

[Croissant]

Please thaibliss, don't waist your time with bluedream. Just trust me in this. It has the yeild the smell the flavor and good potency but the high is very cloudy and dull I have had a cross of it to what was called purple haze that brought a up clarity to it which I really enjoyed but that says it all blue dream is a good strain to provide a a comfortable background to a clear sativa but on its own the high is dull and foggy. Blue dream is a commercial bag appeal strain with good potency.

That wicked weed looks interesting did the train wreck dominate the cross? I can even see the wreck in the bud structure. I used to smoke a lot of TW and got sick of it until I tried this one grower with a different pheno that had perfected growing it indoor.

 

[Madjag]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....09#post4923609

funkervogt - donut engineer

"Anyway, Colombia. My old lady is Colombian. We get down there quite a bit. When we're there, we often get hooked up. And I have to say, the sativa's there are different than anything I've ever tasted out of a growroom here. Soaring in a different way than, say, Jack Herer - absolutely NO, and I mean zero fogginess, total concentration, LSD-like effects almost. All of the best parts of weed without the sleepiness or decreased alertness. Unfortunately, none of the stuff we've received has been seeded. It usually comes pre-rolled but is fucking incredible."

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks Croissant. I guy I know grows it. I'll get a sample.

Madjag - Nice quote. I have some Punto Rojo to look through, a Thai x Colombian Gold... (Yay), and a Jamiacan x Colombian Gold!

 

[yesum]

https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=376257&stc=1&d=1472536960

This is a quick dried popcorn bud of Jarilla. The rest of the plants are still drying.

Got to include this in the trip section. First few minutes are definitely trippy. Visually and mentally.

Not really upper pot so much, more mellow but with the weird stuff going on for first part. Helps with freakouts from loss of control.

Sitting in semi darkness and the shadows appear to move around. Thought stream stops suddenly and another starts. Mental door opens and you are in another room.

This stuff is not regarded as trip weed so was not expecting it. I ran special lights so that may have affected things.

 

[ThaiBliss]

That wicked weed looks interesting did the train wreck dominate the cross? I can even see the wreck in the bud structure. I used to smoke a lot of TW and got sick of it until I tried this one grower with a different pheno that had perfected growing it indoor.

I did not have the "original Arcata cut" of Train Wreck. Somebody made some seeds and got a lot of different expressions. The one that was shared with me was an indica phenotype. It did have skinny leaves and thin stems, but the stems were stiff, the plant was squat, and the plant had beer can shaped buds. I liked the cut quite well as it did not have any couch lock effects, but I have not yearned for that cut like I have yearned for Burmese.

I think the cross with Train Wreck did add something to the advancement of the line. Not the beer can shaped buds, but in the terpenes and power. I'm noticing lemon, and menthol/turpentine types of aromas that were not there before. I'm favoring those children, not because I particularly like menthol terpenes, but those are tending to be the ones with the more potent highs.

The only crosses I made that did not advance the line were to Purple Bud, except for flavor and commerciality, and White Lights. I have to admit I fell in love the flavor of Purple Bud, and I enjoyed great praise for a few generations afterwards, but my head lacks any yearning for a return to the highs of those children. The White Lights cut I had was strong, but lacked favorable character... any character. I spent a lot of time selecting, culling, and backcrossing my way out of those crosses.

In all honesty, I'm thrilled to have an individual from before the Train Wreck cross, The Wire, given back to me. I can't wait to make comparisons to what I have now. It is quite a compliment to have this smoker keep a few selections for so long after looking through a bunch of seeds I gave him. He is always trying something new, which makes it all the more impressive. He kept 3 individuals, The Wire, "a relaxing one", and "an in between one". I grabbed The Wire. The cross between Perky and Seeing God were some exciting times. Lots of clean cerebral and adrenaline thrill ride individuals were found after that cross. Most of my line breeding was done during those years. I also did a lot backcrossing to make sure I was keeping those traits. For a decade, everything I crossed my line to, I back crossed to the Perky x Seeing God generations. It was only when I got Burmese that I let loose of the reins and let the line drift more as it wanted to.

Lots of Rambling Lately,

ThaiBliss

 

[pinkus]

don't waist your time with bluedream.

From the stuff I've smoked I agree, but i think the "bluedream" name has probably been applied to MANY of the hazexblueberry hybrids. IMO it's a huge yielder that produces relatively fast and looks and smells good. in other words, a commercial strain.

I thought my trainwreck Bx I got from Billy Goat Seeds way back was a way better product with similar traits, but better high. It did have the TW drawbacks like collapsing in the final stretch and some male parts at the same time. :/

Still for an observant grower (to nip that shit in the bud) a BG's trainwreck and X's were great shit! Like for example, Casey jones

 

[Dblbogey]

Couldn't agree more. The astoundingly poor quality of weed, and the couch-lock strains of indica or its crosses is a complete mystery to me.

I think if a Top Shelf Sativa was the original marijuana strain in the 60s, instead of the ubiquitous Indica, the reputation of Cannabis would have been a much more benign one.

Might even have made decriminalization by now.

Very thankful I found a Sativa only website. Hope to finish my first 100% Sativa outdoor grow, from 20 yr old seeds, to harvest in November. Not quite at pre-flower yet, but very close. Worth the wait for me.

 

[Koondense]

Because of some shortage I had to open a mini jar of my outdoor grown Angola Thai from two seasons ago.
Unfinished bud cured for more than 18 months, tastes of pumpkins and vegetables.
The high is incredibly strong compared to how it was when uncured. Clear with some narcotic qualities and dissociative effects, like daydreaming. I know for sure, if this plant would be properly finished and cured, I'd certainly put it in "trip weed" category.
I had some new insights and experienced new effects thanks to this bud.

There's also a small Malawi bud cured for the same amount of time.
Can't wait to test it

 

[ThaiBliss]

I think if a Top Shelf Sativa was the original marijuana strain in the 60s, instead of the ubiquitous Indica, the reputation of Cannabis would have been a much more benign one.

Might even have made decriminalization by now.

After a moment of indignity, I wondered if you're kidding. I decided to take it that way, and I'm laughing my ass off.


Thanks for making my day,

ThaiBliss

 

[Croissant]

From the stuff I've smoked I agree, but i think the "bluedream" name has probably been applied to MANY of the hazexblueberry hybrids. IMO it's a huge yielder that produces relatively fast and looks and smells good. in other words, a commercial strain.

I thought my trainwreck Bx I got from Billy Goat Seeds way back was a way better product with similar traits, but better high. It did have the TW drawbacks like collapsing in the final stretch and some male parts at the same time. :/

Still for an observant grower (to nip that shit in the bud) a BG's trainwreck and X's were great shit! Like for example, Casey jones

I would love to try a haze x blueberry like legends had years back but I think what happened with blue dream is some is grown poorly and at some of the trade shows for cannabis in Cali people sell s1's for dirtcheap of a bunch of strains and dispensory owners pop some and pass the clones to growers that supply them then crosses are made of the s1s and a Lt of of is sold under the same name for branding purposes. It happens with a lot of strains and sometimes even better cuts cn be found than the originals.

Or like what happens with thaiblisses wicked weed a cross or s1 of a clone only is bred into a growers personal line. I guess the point to all this is keep a lot of seeds every step of the way because sometimes you don't realize what younhave untikk it is gone.

 

[ThaiBliss]

I guess the point to all this is keep a lot of seeds every step of the way because sometimes you don't realize what younhave untikk it is gone.

^^^^ This cannot be stressed too much. ^^^^

 

[ThaiBliss]

Sativa Divas

Sativa Divas

Greetings,

I keep thinking that my Ciskei plants are on the verge of flowering, but they never seem to kick in. Typical.

Meanwhile, they keep shooting towards the sky:

They better hurry up. Those are the first clouds I've seen in a long time.

A Bangi Haze x NepalJam plant is kicking in nicely. The top of this plant looks like it has strong sativa influence:

ThaiBliss

 

[MAHA KALA]

sexy divas!!!