The Search for Trip Weed

[Elmer Bud]

Hi Elmer,


Casts the verisimilitude of your POV in a fainter light doesn't it?

G`day Bushie

Ad hominem arguments , quoting non contextual references ?
Ouch !

Here`s one ; I grew your seeds once only .

I smoke all day every day . How about you ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[village green]

Bushy and Elmer.. y'all are harshing my trip man.

 

[Cernunnos]

Bushy and Elmer.. y'all are harshing my trip man.

Just good Aussie banter mate he he.

 

[The Revolution]

Thai weed seed was invading Hawaii long before beatniks and hippies popped up there. The Chinese immigrants who liked a good smoke or perhaps the few Thai themselves probably brought their own special strains with them. Eventually any or all of these became "Hawaiian". My friend from Jerome, Arizona took fine Oaxacan seeds with him when he moved to Maui in the late 70's. Crossed it with some "Hawaiian" and sent me the results. I grew it outdoors, in Madjag Canyon, in 1978. 12 foot giants with fat, fat buds. Definitely Mexican by nature.

Dead on jag. There are no varieties, as I was told, native to the islands. All hybrids of imported old school seeds, brought by asian migrant workers, and other settlers (if u would call them that). Much later on, The Brotherhood of Eternal Love, use the island of Maui originally as a transshipment point for the hash they brought in from Afghanistan and Nepal. Stunned by the beauty of the place, the Brotherhood ppl would later "settle" here and you can bet they brought their seeds with them.

As people got a taste of this herb, it was highly sought after, and usually fetched the highest dollar in parts of the USA. When your run of the mill bud was going for $200-300/lb . Hawaiian was going for ($200-250/oz and $2,000-2,500lb respectively. Hawaii was exporting a lot of these sativas, and sativa hybrids, some of the best herb available in the 70s, to the upper states. (Flagrantly disrespectful use of commas)


I imagine the Hawaiian Islands as a melting pot of all of the greatest herb of that era. Thai, Mexi, Colombian, Afghani, etc..
Im going to upload a cpl articles from vintage High Times. These older mags are among my favorites. Im not sure how theyll transfer from Camera to internet page, but everyone should have a chance to read these. Im gna start with some Hawaii and Maui Wowie articles.

 

[The Revolution]

What is the best way to post some of these magazine articles I have, so that I'm able to capture the text in the best readable/viewable form? I dont have access to a scanner. Only the hard copies, and a cpl cameras.

 

[bushy]

Hi TB,
I may not have emphasized how much I really dug the pure haze I grew out last year. Firstly the structure was a thing of elegant sativa beauty, which handled my wet humid conditions very well. Secondly the aroma on these beauties is second to none - tropical ambrosia. Thirdly, this haze has some real strength and trippiness to it, certainly stronger than any of the many MNS hybrids I've tried. I think I might run a few more along with Charlie's Punto Rojo, which satva has reported on so nicely, and is probably the progenitor of haze..

Anyway, I've been giving some thought to your dilemma regarding your once in a lifetime Nevil's Haze the best thing you ever grew or smoked. How you've never found anything close since. At the same time I've been thinking about Elmer's oft referred to contacts in the south of Holland, who hold a handful of old seedbank haze cuts given to them by Nevil.

the C5 F1 cut we hold, which is probably the best one to be found. Nevil selected this F1 out of thousands

He refers to C5, which is Nevil's old NL5xHzC, but perhaps of more interest is their Nevil's Hz which is said to be more powerful and trippy, offering the archetypal anxious old school joy ride...

The old Nevil`s Haze cut is still going strong .That`s the one ,you need to track down Biggie .

Anyway bro, these guys are still around, still spreading the love and can be found...

G`day Bushie
Ad hominem arguments , quoting non contextual references ?
Ouch !

Listen Elmer, bottom line is you dissed an amateur pollen chuck by a fellow member who was generous enough to send you the seeds in the first place. You should have kept your criticism to yourself and him. My response was to present a quote demonstrating the motivation you might have to perform such a rookie act. And all your insecure breast beating, your underdeveloped bud pics and your obfuscation is tangential to that. End of....

 

[bushy]

I love walking home in the twilight with a haystack of this shit on my shoulder...

 

[egodeath]

Wow! This thread blew up the last couple of days. Acid put me off weed for over 25 years. I could still trip on psychedelics but cannabis induced a butt clenching ordeal and I just could not get out there no mo.Flo did the trick when I grew it about 8 years ago. It was trippy , clean, and extremely euphoric. It compared to MDMA or low dose shrooms/LSD. No perceptual abnormalities but a strong feeling of homecoming and peak experience. Am I crazy or do any of you trip seekers back up the effects of this strain?

I think what you are looking for is san pedro or similar. nothing else compares, it is the only way to fly...

 

[satva]

My brother was vacating in the high country of Colorado. We hadn't smoked together in over 10 years. He tried a bit of ColJam, (Colombian Gold x Jamaican Lambsbread) maybe 1/3 of a joint between us. I didn't have to ask, but thought I would........

"Hey bro, how's the ColJam high for you".

He replies, " Trippy"

PS> Same brother who every year, in the mid-1970's helped a friend harvest a tended farm plot of Oaxacan plants, lots of plants the size of two story houses. Same brother in the mid- 1970's after smoking some homegrown Maui Wowie sift, ask me, "Is LSD a better than this? I replied, "No, but one hit of LSD~ you're high for 12 - 16 hours".

PPS> Hey Bushy, I believe Charlie Garcia noted Punto Rojo loves humidity. Hot and dry this summer in Colorado, I haven't seen a cloud in three weeks....

 

[egodeath]

From my experience, there is Red Dot / Red Point, Green with red pistils and, or red calyx tips, Red Colombian, and Red Hair. Also a Mexican Red Hair. There is, was Highland Red Colombian and lowland or jungle Red Colombian. I'm still looking for a good representation of Cannabiogen Red Point pheno-type, green calyxes with red tips.


just read this post, dont know if it interests you but maybe.
i had a green calyx with red tip plant in a pack of guatemala from ace.
cant say anything about the high as i dont use cannabis anymore other than ornamental and seed saving purposes.

 

[egodeath]

sorry, something went wrong, again edited:



by satva:

"From my experience, there is Red Dot / Red Point, Green with red pistils and, or red calyx tips, Red Colombian, and Red Hair. Also a Mexican Red Hair. There is, was Highland Red Colombian and lowland or jungle Red Colombian. I'm still looking for a good representation of Cannabiogen Red Point pheno-type, green calyxes with red tips. "


just read this post, dont know if it interests you but maybe.
i had a green calyx with red tip plant in a pack of guatemala from ace.
cant say anything about the high as i dont use cannabis anymore other than ornamental and seed saving purposes.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Hi TB,
I may not have emphasized how much I really dug the pure haze I grew out last year. Firstly the structure was a thing of elegant sativa beauty, which handled my wet humid conditions very well. Secondly the aroma on these beauties is second to none - tropical ambrosia. Thirdly, this haze has some real strength and trippiness to it, certainly stronger than any of the many MNS hybrids I've tried.

I'm glad you have experienced some really good Haze. Examples of the finest ganja are in those genetics, without a doubt.

Anyway, I've been giving some thought to your dilemma regarding your once in a lifetime Nevil's Haze the best thing you ever grew or smoked. How you've never found anything close since. At the same time I've been thinking about Elmer's oft referred to contacts in the south of Holland, who hold a handful of old seedbank haze cuts given to them by Nevil.

He refers to C5, which is Nevil's old NL5xHzC, but perhaps of more interest is their Nevil's Hz which is said to be more powerful and trippy, offering the archetypal anxious old school joy ride...

Anyway bro, these guys are still around, still spreading the love and can be found...

The funny thing is, during my search for this specific type of high I am finding other gems from recommendations and gifts from others. I'm also finding gems within the genetics that I have been cultivating for decades on my own. I should not neglect these, or I will find myself again regretting letting something worthy slipping through my fingers.

I'm thinking specifically of SAGE. I have found others who seem to be confirming what I see in this great cut. It is more than that. Someone shared a cut of Big Sur Holy Weed that looks and smells almost identical. These two in combination with the yet to be tested Maui make up a trio of cuttings I have that all have this amazing piney aroma. The fact that they have come together in my possession is the universe giving me another opportunity for developing and preserving something special in a genetic line that breeds true for the piney terpene and that special, clear, and profound state of mind. In other words, I'm rolling with the flow. I spent time today musing over the possibilities of what I'm calling my Mexican Three Pines project.

Anyway my friend, thanks for the encouragement, advice, and support. I love the first picture in the last two of your posts. If I'm not mistaken, those might be your Haze, Thai, and Laos all captured together. You sure are blessed to be able to play within some of the best genetics in the world.

Satva - The way you describe ColJam convinced me to purchase some of those seeds. I also have preserved three cuts of Bushman's 60s Jamaican, and I am growing about a dozen Nepalese Jamaicans in the garden this summer. I also have the first NepJam I grew in the form of a cutting. I love that cut, and others confirm its quality. Once again, I have a triad of related genetics that are begging me to bring them together. Voices in my head I suppose. LOL. I can imagine crossing the two best early NepJam genetics to ColJam and to Bushman's. I would then bring those crosses together in a poly hybrid to find a heavily Jamaican influenced line that I can grow outside here.

Thirdly, in keeping with the theme of three, I am growing a bunch of the Dank Dank once again because I found such a good one last year. A couple of them are so lemony pungent that I am wondering where that trait came from. Probably from decades of repeated pollen chucking S.E. Asian and Thai crosses into this line. Perhaps what I am looking for will pop out on its own accord as I search through these.

Working one seed line is a lot of work, and extremely slow going. Fate, good fortune, and good friends have given me the responsibility. I cannot lament the hand that I have been given.

Speaking of lots of work, I should give a well deserved shout out to Dubi, Charlie Garcia, and other Spanish brothers or sisters for the work they have done to bring early flowering lines with sativa type of highs to the market. Climate change and the decriminalization of Cannabis in Oregon have convinced me to focus on genetics that can ripen outdoors in my area. I believe it is my responsibility to limit indoor growing to preservation of genetics and controlled breeding. Without those special Bangi Haze, NepJam, and possibly Ciskei individuals, I would not have the tools I need to put my own twist on the early sativa gene pool.

Elmer Bud - Thanks for your contributions, and especially for posting some pictures. I'm not sure I remember other times you have posted pictures. I hope I don't have to piss you off to get you to continue with some more pictures along with your observations.


Thanks All,

ThaiBliss


P.S. - Egodeath - I almost forgot about you. I grow cactus now and then also. Every half a decade or so, I enjoy the non Cannabis experience.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day TB

The quest in the Golden Triangle

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

Amnesia haze is a good sativa. It's like a mix of all the ones you like.

Amnesia Haze by Soma Sacred Seeds was the winner of the 2004 Cannabis Cup, and is an amazing mix of Afghani Hawaiian (Hybrid), Jamaican (Sativa), and Laos (Sativa).

 

[Siever]

Elmer,

Is it hard to find such gems over there?
Looks very tempting to go over there immediately. Though, it looks like the buds arn't seeded. Perhaps some seeds on the white plate?

Siever

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day S

I was lucky a good friend had contacts there .

All the other herb I have encountered in Thailand is bricked . That is the only home grown I`ve seen . It was harsh smoke .Luckily it only took a small joint to get high .

I separated the stems and shake . Then the popcorn and kept only the tops for myself . Gave the rest to my contact for the hook up. Gave half of my perso to the owner of a guest house who offered me a smoke , but couldn`t find his stash . lol .

Yes a cpl dozen seeds . I shared a few for a repro .Fingers crossed .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[egodeath]

P.S. - Egodeath - I almost forgot about you. I grow cactus now and then also. Every half a decade or so, I enjoy the non Cannabis experience.

ThaiBliss - Yes, enjoy is the right term . It has been a while for me also, hopefully in the not so distant future I will enjoy it again.
I just cant get myself to cut one of my darlings (i have other species also which take forever to grow and with those it is simply impossible for me, no just cant do it).
I just bought a few old ones, thinking I can use them to cut them, but as soon as I opened the box, I knew it would be impossible (as always). the ones I got are just too beautiful and special, so I have to find others or wait a few years more till my other ones are bigger.
But I suspect, when they are, then I cant use them either...

 

[ThaiBliss]

Amnesia haze is a good sativa. It's like a mix of all the ones you like.

Amnesia Haze by Soma Sacred Seeds was the winner of the 2004 Cannabis Cup, and is an amazing mix of Afghani Hawaiian (Hybrid), Jamaican (Sativa), and Laos (Sativa).

Interesting recommendation. I have some Amnesia White seeds given as a freebie to me. I wonder if they are related. They were low on my list to try next, but they may have risen some due to your description of the Amnesia lineage.

Elmer Bud - Thanks for the cool pictures. Is that a border bridge? I'm wondering because of all the flags. I'm jealous of your travels.

Very interesting close up of a bud:

It looks a lot like the bud I of a sativa I tried to grow indoors. I thought the indoor lighting was screwing with the structure, but it looks similar to the bud you posted that I copied above:

This was bud I grew for over 9 months. I think I let it grow too long. It had the best aroma at 7 months. It also started turning red:

The red color comes from the resin:

Your bud close up picture supports that I should not have been waiting for all the pistils to die in this strain. I can see in your picture that it had some fresh white pistils in the bud when dried. I should have tried harvesting about here:

I will try again someday, and keep in mind the 7 month rule of thumb for this line.

Pictures are worth a thousand words... sometimes.

Thanks All,

ThaiBliss

 

[Huesos]

Hola Hierberos.....

Hola Hierberos.....

Love the braids on a stick. What genetic background is that ThaiBliss?


The best (trippy) weed, potency and quality, have those braids. As you can see, those little braids don't carry much weight. Nevertheless, quality is where its at for a sativa aficionado.


Many Blessings......

 

[Huesos]

Skunk Haze....aka Bully

Skunk Haze....aka Bully

Skunk Haze line I call Bully. My impression is that I hit a royal line (baseline) that made up the legendary Original Haze.