The Search for Trip Weed

[ThaiBliss]

Hi ThaiBliss,

Interesting you note similar terpene between Maui and Sage and BSHW, it known that the "Maui" aka Lightning Bolt arrived in Hawaii via Mexico

Hi Geneva...,

I had heard about the Mexican connection to Hawaiian strains, but not to Maui specifically. Very Cool!

I have read about speculations of S.E. Asian connections to Hawaiian strains. I also spoke for hours with a Hawaiian old time grower. This dude was older than I am! He spoke of Thai, Cambodian, Mexican, and African connections to the Hawaiian lineages. From the limited experience I've had with Hawaiian strains, the S.E. Asian connection seems obvious.

This Maui is not like the other Hawaiian strains I have experience with. The ones I have tried had menthol and citric aromas, very much like the African Ciskei strain I currently have growing. When I first spoke with the dude who liked Mexican Red Hair as his favorite, he had not yet acquired the Maui. I waited about a month until he got it and made a cutting for me. I'm not sure he knew what aromas it would have, but I suspect that perhaps he was anticipating it due to how much he was talking about it. He may not have even tried it by the time I got the cutting. I should go talk to him again. He may not be around anymore. He was talking about picking up stakes and retiring on the Oregon coast.

I'm going to go look up Lightning Bolt right now. Geneva, if you have any more information or experience with Maui, please give us all the dirt.


ThaiBliss

 

[Dawn Patrol]

The SAGE cut, with it's piney/turpentine aroma is a whole different animal than Thai with it's citric terpene dominance, but no less trippy. I'd say the SAGE high is more profound. It seems to give a sense of "knowing" and blissful reassurance. It is more in the brain than the sensory extremities.

I grew up in Florida and started smoking in the late 70's. Long story short once I graduated from oregano to some decent smoke it was a sticky, very piney strain locally known as Gainesville Green.

Although that turned out to be a generic term for weed grown in Florida that wasn't bricked and imported, for many years it was amazingly consistent in it's effects and most memorably its aroma.

The 70's saw the introduction of many "modern" conveniences like aerosol air fresheners. The long standing business idea that my buddies and I had was that if we could capture the smell of that weed it would be the best smelling air freshener in the world and we would all be rich.

If the Maui cut has a similar effect, then a case could be made for the pinene terpene being the source of these subtle differences. I have been promoting the idea that the Thai Stick weed was the pinnacle of Cannabis breeding for the effects that I prefer. In all honesty, it is hard to argue that the high of SAGE, with it clear clean intellectual/cerebral sense of knowledge and well being, is not a more refined high. I love both Thai and high quality old school Mexican highs.

The effects were very cerebral, little to no body effect and very euphoric and uplifting. It was happy, a little trippy if you smoked enough but not racy or paranoid in any way.

The rise of the 80's and the paki/chitral indica invasion into the genetic pool brought a quick end to the availability of this strain and I've been trying to find it again for the last 30 years.

I'm blessed to have SAGE, Big Sur Holy Weed, and Maui, all with the pinene terpene dominance, that gives me an opportunity to develop a seed line to preserve these specific traits.

I've been lucky enough to have people that thought they had those genetics gift them to me from the days of OG up to just a couple years ago here. But despite their best intentions and generosity, I've never been able to rediscover them again.

Your drive is strong, your mission is defined and I hope that you achieve all the success of your vision. I constantly scratch my head at these guys chasing how many dabs they can do - maybe it's a physiological cannabanoid receptor thing for some people, but the whole "I'm so stoned I drooled a puddle in my lap" is just not what I'm interested in. I want that happy, giggly wide eyed introspective high again and I really hope you can find something like that again.

 

[nksv]

Thanks for the all the info. I would love to read paragraphs of detail and see pictures for each strain you are growing, and I'm sure others would enjoy also. Please help us with all your evaluations. I love hearing about this stuff.

I'll get some pics up and further info when I get the chance, such limited time! I will be more active here as I must admit it was reading your posts a while back that nudged me into the Zamaldelica etc and this thread is why I do this! haha.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Regarding the creation of Hawaiian genetics,

What year did cannabis make it to the Island?

I thought/postulate that it was BOEL who went their and brought all their genetics (Mexi, Thai, African, Affy, etc) and as a result, we ended up with the Hawaiian strains.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Regarding the creation of Hawaiian genetics,

What year did cannabis make it to the Island?

I thought/postulate that it was BOEL who went their and brought all their genetics (Mexi, Thai, African, Affy, etc) and as a result, we ended up with the Hawaiian strains.

Impossible to know, but I'm sure BOEL had a significant effect. The old dude I met remembers when there was no Affy.

I went there about 8 years ago and I met a guy who scored some weed. He told the story about something that didn't look or smell good, but kicked his ass. I suspect it was something without Affy. LOL.

 

[village green]

Wow! This thread blew up the last couple of days. Acid put me off weed for over 25 years. I could still trip on psychedelics but cannabis induced a butt clenching ordeal and I just could not get out there no mo.Flo did the trick when I grew it about 8 years ago. It was trippy , clean, and extremely euphoric. It compared to MDMA or low dose shrooms/LSD. No perceptual abnormalities but a strong feeling of homecoming and peak experience. Am I crazy or do any of you trip seekers back up the effects of this strain?

 

[nksv]

Wow! This thread blew up the last couple of days. Acid put me off weed for over 25 years. I could still trip on psychedelics but cannabis induced a butt clenching ordeal and I just could not get out there no mo.Flo did the trick when I grew it about 8 years ago. It was trippy , clean, and extremely euphoric. It compared to MDMA or low dose shrooms/LSD. No perceptual abnormalities but a strong feeling of homecoming and peak experience. Am I crazy or do any of you trip seekers back up the effects of this strain?

HA! I had a similar thing about 15 years ago. Most intense experience with a mates brownies. Shrooms I always loved but that was the fucking pits. Stopped weed for years after that but these days wanting to face that shit. haha. Not sure about the FLO strain but I have been getting that feel a bit with the Zamaldelica. I have this other unknown skunkman haze that does that but the feeling is quite brief - that slight mdma feeling. The "strong feeling of homecoming and peak experience" sounds very appealing.

 

[geneva_sativa]

The story of the arrival of 70 ft. yacht Aafje in 1970 from Mexico, piloted indeed by intrepid brotherhood member s is mentioned on BEL history site and also in books one which Orange Sunshine

Aafje was said to have carried 1000+ kg of the fine Mexican herb.

 

[Madjag]

Regarding the creation of Hawaiian genetics,

What year did cannabis make it to the Island?

I thought/postulate that it was BOEL who went their and brought all their genetics (Mexi, Thai, African, Affy, etc) and as a result, we ended up with the Hawaiian strains.

Thai weed seed was invading Hawaii long before beatniks and hippies popped up there. The Chinese immigrants who liked a good smoke or perhaps the few Thai themselves probably brought their own special strains with them. Eventually any or all of these became "Hawaiian". My friend from Jerome, Arizona took fine Oaxacan seeds with him when he moved to Maui in the late 70's. Crossed it with some "Hawaiian" and sent me the results. I grew it outdoors, in Madjag Canyon, in 1978. 12 foot giants with fat, fat buds. Definitely Mexican by nature.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day MJ

Mexican Cow boys were in Ha in the 19th century .

By 1832, Parker contracted Mexican vaqueros, expert horsemen with plenty of cattle experience. They arrived with boots and saddles, a new language and a new lifestyle for the island. Called “paniolo” by Hawaiians, the skilled cowboys trained local men to rope and ride a generation before their American counterparts in the “Wild West.” Their contributions to local culture included the guitar and ukulele, and a lifestyle of hard work, close-knit family ties and wonderful music that thrives to this day.

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[bushweed]

Bit of info re: a shipment of Laos into Hawaii in the late 60s...

 

[Medfinder]

10 or 12 years ago...

at weho coop on santa monica blvd....


some guy came in and asked if he could drop some clones.

they looked clean but where sativa dom.

He said his name was neville and these were called super silver haze.

the clones almost died transplanting but within 2 weeks took off.

on the flip of 12/12 they grew more than an inch a day.

 

[mexicani-ar]

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Bodhi Acapulco Gold

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Bushie

re your report on the WiFi death weed .
I smoked the same plant . Certainly didn`t get any waves of euphoria .

A very strong initial rush .Like old school sk .

Coughed my lungs out , a rush like going down a very steep hill .
Followed by extreme stone . Then a dull buzz after a cpl of hours before it wore off . The rest of the day was a write off .

I discussed this recently, with the keeper of the WiFi . He didn`t recognise the effects you described either . Chemistry or artistic license ?

At that time I was smoking Old School Haze Hybs of AG13, HPH, C5 .I grew.
So after I sampled some of the WiFi and some other offerings I shared my stuff .

When I gave a smoke of my stuff to the WiFi guy , he had 1 pipe and said , now I`m really high !
He said my stuff cut straight through the stuff he was smoking .

I have the WiFi cut and a cpl of MOx cuts too .Grown a few rounds of MOx . Good commercial plant .
Still prefer to smoke some well grown Haze myself .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[ThaiBliss]

Bodhi Acapulco Gold

Really nice looking. We appreciate seeing the progress.

T.B.

 

[mexicani-ar]

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Bodhi Acapulco Gold on the left and Chimera Highland Mexican on the right, saludos mexicani-ar

 

[bushy]

Hi Elmer,
I'm surprised you're still smoking Nevil and Shanti's haze hybrids. Personally I never found anything with more than a 3hr high from that stock, and I was exposed to a lot of it when Kanga and Nevil teamed up.

Could it be a large part of our different perspectives comes from you being negative about the keeper of the MOX/Wifi/? Someone who isn't exactly your biggest fan?

As for you Elmer, to be honest mate I have smoked various Mango Haze buds of yours and wouldnt give em a B rating let alone an A . Very mediocre gear . No resin , very little effect. You know what my mate thought about it . If you are being honest you know I am right. The widow gear of yours I saw was mediocre as well. Very little resin or smell. You USED to complain to me about the Mango Haze line all the time, mate . I didnt know you have grown Nevs Haze indoors either. First Ive heard of it

That's quite a different picture to what you've painted here:

So after I sampled some of the WiFi and some other offerings I shared my stuff . When I gave a smoke of my stuff to the WiFi guy, he had 1 pipe and said, now I`m really high! He said my stuff cut straight through the stuff he was smoking. Still prefer to smoke some well grown Haze myself.

Casts the verisimilitude of your POV in a fainter light doesn't it?

Anyway to be fair the WIFI's not my cup of tea as a smoke either, since I'm not one for the earthy indica flavors and stones, but that particular cut has a raw power that I've not encountered in other commercial lines, and the synergistic way it crossed to the MOX is something that makes my friends in their 50s and 60s who know strong herb and old school flavors, very grateful.

As for the MOX cut, it is killer weed, authentic 4 hour giggly high with hints of citrus, cedar and pine - I haven't smoked a 50% haze hybrid that comes close to it. I accept that there's variability in the MOX s1s we've both grown, but that's a different story isn't it?

Now Elmer, I do apologize for being snarly, but you will keep putting your hand in the cage!

 

[yesum]

Bodhi Acapulco Gold on the left and Chimera Highland Mexican on the right, saludos mexicani-ar

I am tripping out just looking at those plants. From the looks they appear to be close to 70's Guerrero plants in shape. Now if we can get that old time buzz to go with the looks.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Bushie

Details ,
The Haze hybrids I shared were from the original cuts in Sth holland .

C5 the mother of SSH and Jack Herer does ok in hybrids . G13 HzA and Hash Plant Haze C crosses aren`t on Shanti`s menu. And generally aren`t in circulation .

Interesting quote there . I was also told personally by the same critic the Mango Widow I shared reminded him of good old SE Asian herb and some of the best he had sampled in years ! lol .
Some folks have short memory when it suits them .

No resin eh ?
Well that`s been rectified many times over .
C5 x La Nina

WOx

MOx

That grow of Mango Haze was a disaster . Too hot indoors over summer . I told old mate that it was terrible . I didn`t try to represent it as anything else . I later have had several successful grows of Mango Haze . And when done well it is a very pleasant and powerful herb .
As you have waxed lyrical about in the not so far distant past .

re WOx
Yes it has nice Haze tang when its been cured for 3-4 months .Grew 10 . I didn`t find a pheno that impressed me in the high department . More body than head buzz .

re WiFi
Reading your report one might think that it was trippy weed . Far from it . That`s why I spoke up .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[satva]

mexicani-air, nice Mexicans.

Similar to your Acapulco Gold verse Chimera's Highland Mexican (HMBB) , I see the same Copalita Oaxacan verse Highland Mexican. Copalita Oaxacan has pheno-types that look pure sativa, one is Mexican and one is Thai. The Thai hermies. HMBB is clearly a NLD/WLD hybrid in appearance and smoke. HMBB is stable. HMBB x Oaxacan hermied.

Agree with yesum, mexicani-ai's Bodhi's Acapulco Gold plant looks pure NLD. In late flowering, one Copalita Oaxacan looks NLD and another NLD/WLD. I have six Copalita Oaxacan females with stable sex, in waiting for the boys. Just culled a few females from the "Where the boys are" container.

Several Copalita Oaxacan x (ColJam - Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread x Colombian Gold) pheno-types look interesting. Copalita Oaxacan x 1973 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry had promise..... then she went on the wild side and became a she/he. The high from Copalita Oaxacan has promise, compared to Punto Rojo's high.

worst case is:

Copalita Oaxacan x Copalita Oaxacan x (ColJam - Colombian Gold x 1960's Jamaican Lambsbread x Colombian Gold)

Copalita Oaxacan x Punto Rojo

Copalita Oaxacan x 1973 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry

Copalita Oaxacan gold pheno-type with a short cure, is smoking not as strong or trippy as a well cured Punto Rojo gold pheno-type. After 6 months cure Punto Rojo is near the top of my Ultimate Sativa list.


PS> pardon the deja vu that follows............

We smoked Acapuclo Gold (AG) in 1971 - 1972, and later most good Mexican was called Acapulco Gold. I've always preferred the high from Highland or mountain grown marijuana. The high is cleaner.

The Acapulco Gold high was strong psychedelic, fun, euphoric, energetic, and wild. My older friend / mentor was wild and crazy and Acapulco Gold was his favorite. He was good at making everybody laugh uncontrollably and the next moment feel intense paranoia, then break into hysterical laughter.

AG was similar to Panama Red both were strong psychedelic, and lowered inhibitions, both had some stone to the high and a wild and crazy effect. You got that impossible to hide stoned look, big grin, red eyes with very altered perceptions.

Pure early 1970's Colombian and Highland Oaxacan Gold had a cerebral, cleaner, and less wild and crazy effect than AG or Panama Red.

I've been smoking Cannabiogen's Colombian Punto Rojo and Colombian Gold for the past year. They are more cerebral, camer, introspective, but still psychedelic/trippy.

The high from 1973 Highland Guerrero (green) dominate phenos in HM x BB are similar to AG. DJ Short had similar experience noting Guerrero Green as more clean and cerebral than Guerrero Gold (AG) there is also a Guerrero Red. I've never smoked the Guerrero Red.

It looks like Bodhi's Acapuclo Gold may be fairly pure NLD and or, pure NLD pheno-types. Guerrero mountains above Acapulco is 18 degrees latitude which is not an equatorial sativa like some Highland Colombians.

I know Copalita Oaxacan from the same latitude as Guerrero mountinas has some MLD influence. Medium or broad leaf influence may been in AG and Panama Red since the 1970's. Charlie Garica noted the same about some Panama varieties that the high was not the high of pure tropical Colombian, perhaps Panama was Colombian Red with some medium/wide leaf influence. Charlie Garcia also noted CBG's 1979 Oaxacan was not as strong as he'd like it to be. That's the way I remember it from the early 1970's Colombian was stronger than most Mexicans except a good Acapulco Gold. Acapulco Gold would knock your socks off or make you think your pants were on fire..hehehe it was wild and crazy times in the early 1970's when Acapulco Gold or Panama Red were in town.

The Acapulco Gold from preservation dude looks to have some medium width leaf influence.

PPS> I grew 1974 Maui Wowie for a few years in the mid-1970's, the high and appearance looked similar to "Red Hair Mexican" smelled like a pine forest after a spring rain. Very trippy.