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The Search for Trip Weed
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Greetings,
More Ciskei love...
These plants are so nice, lemon, menthol, licorice... They look like all plants in the days before indica. I've read they get ripe in 55 to 60 days. What got me to post about them again, is that they are starting to get lots of pistils, stems are getting zig zagged, meristems are gathering up like they are about to flower, and it is not even August yet!
Speaking of lemon terpenes... one of the Dank Dank plants is very lemony. It also has an extremely stout stem:
T.B.
More Ciskei love...
These plants are so nice, lemon, menthol, licorice... They look like all plants in the days before indica. I've read they get ripe in 55 to 60 days. What got me to post about them again, is that they are starting to get lots of pistils, stems are getting zig zagged, meristems are gathering up like they are about to flower, and it is not even August yet!
Speaking of lemon terpenes... one of the Dank Dank plants is very lemony. It also has an extremely stout stem:
T.B.
Welcome NKSV,
Most trippy and potent strains from the 60s and 70s:
Thai Stick
Sumatran
Jamaican Ganja
Mexican
Various Pre '83 California sativas
Top of my list in the last 20 years:
Neville's Haze
Zamaldelica
Best examples of purity of experience in my collection of tested and preserved cuttings:
SAGE
Bangi Haze
Note - Clean and clear traits have become more and more important to me as it appears that the lack of clarity of effect is more and more common as the impulse to cross strains with differing effects continues to be the cornerstone of breeding and pollen chucking. When smoking a strain with super clean effect, it is often the case that I question whether I'm high anymore, then something happens to make me feel like I've been hit with a hammer of potency. I believe some may call this "rushy". Exceptionally clear highs seem to have these experiences:
Best Ever:
One very particular individual of Neville's Haze.
It was like Thai Stick and a low dose of psilocybin at the same time. Extremely profound, euphoric, and energetic. Brought back the memory of the old days like a ton of bricks. Made me truly realize what we are on the verge of losing if we don't find and preserve genetics with these effects. It was common enough back in the early 70s, but now so rare.
I no longer have a cutting of that great Neville's Haze, but I have preserved some of it in seed form (50% +). The point of this search is to get some breeding stock that is worthy of cracking the last of those seeds to start another generation of individuals to look through for that kind of high.
I'm sure I'm forgetting some very good strains to list, but these come to mind immediately. Keep in mind that everyone has a different idea of what is trip weed, and weed does affect people differently. Mine is not necessarily the strains that have the most potent effect on me. For me, it has to be clean, clear, energetic, and euphoric. It would give me a sense of being in tune with nature, rushes of the profound, a feeling of tapping into knowledge, and love for the universe. It is time warping and increases sensitivity. I mean that literally. Light is brighter, more colorful, and hearing is enhanced. Touch and taste is more pleasurable. Contrary to most people's pot experiences, it would not give me the munchies, unless I'm truly hungry, probably because it is too racy. I would be unable to maintain a level speed while driving, because there is so much other stimuli presented to me while hurdling through space that is more important . However, I would be mortified if when checking my rear view, that I'm in the way of another being.
LOL - I only meant to mention a thing or two, but apparently, I'm obsessed.
ThaiBliss
Most strains have less than 0,1% CBD. Contrary to what they used to claim in old cannabooks, that's unlikely to have much effect on anything,
Now if you have 1% or more CBD, that's a different story. Hash does give me bigger munchies than bud does, and hash is usually very high in cbd.
I went off on my own tangent somewhat. Please allow me to pay some more attention to your questions.
I am very happy to have found the SAGE and Bangi Haze, so the search is actually giving me optimism. Bangi Haze is especially valuable since I live in an area that needs early ripening strains for outdoor growing. I'm very optimistic about Ciskei. In addition, Zamaldelica has great potential and needs more of my focus.
I also have a cutting named Maui that is closest to the terpenes in SAGE, except much more potent and pure pine smelling. I almost lost it the other day in my fight against mites. I overdid some insecticidal soap. I need to get my SAGE, Big Sur Holy Weed, and Maui lineage going so I have these genetics captured in a piney seed line.
Thule and Siever - I believe low levels of CBD is key to trip weed. I've read that Thai had fairly moderate levels of THC. It has to be some other type of entourage effects that gave it its pure trippy and extreme power, most likely low CBD. High CBG might have something to do with it also. I like my Dank Dank line, S.E. Asian dominant, and it tested at 0% CBD in the summary page. It actually was less than a tenth of a percent, 0.068% to be precise, before getting rounded off on the summary. It also had high levels of limonene. That one lemony Dank Dank I have this year definitely has lots of limonene, and probably less myrcene.
In summary, I have all kinds of optimism about the search... This is due in large part to all the information, encouragement, and other help from this thread.
Thanks all, and I hope your search is going well.
ThaiBliss
Mmm, pine. I was talking to someone yesterday who wrinkled their nose in disgust when they mentioned piney weed. 
You mentioned that you got back your Pre Dank Dank cut... Are you planning on crossing Dank Dank back to this earlier version? Specifically, with an aim at diluting the WLD that you bred into the line?
The garden looks great btw. Looking forward to the next shoot.
You mentioned that you got back your Pre Dank Dank cut... Are you planning on crossing Dank Dank back to this earlier version? Specifically, with an aim at diluting the WLD that you bred into the line?
The garden looks great btw. Looking forward to the next shoot.
Mmm, pine. I was talking to someone yesterday who wrinkled their nose in disgust when they mentioned piney weed.
You mentioned that you got back your Pre Dank Dank cut... Are you planning on crossing Dank Dank back to this earlier version? Specifically, with an aim at diluting the WLD that you bred into the line?
The garden looks great btw. Looking forward to the next shoot.
Thanks for the compliment on the garden. I put in a lot of hard work this year. So far so good.
Yes I am planning on testing that old pre Dank Dank cut for possible backcrossing. The wide leaf that I want to dilute is the one that was so tasty, but was a serious compromise in the quality of effect. I wouldn't say it had bad couch-lock, but it had no thrill factor whatsoever, unless taste thrills you. It thrilled a lot of others. To each his own.
The more recent wide leaf trait bred in is from the Burmese. It only helped to improve the effects. This may be the only wide leaf looking plant that did not bring some couch-lock with it. The more you smoke of Burmese, the higher you get and the more trippy it seems.
I remember smoking a joint between 3 people at a concert at a school way out in the boonies. Man, I liked that stuff in small doses, but I had no idea what it could do in a serious smoke out. Hahaha. I know, I'm a lightweight. If I'm not blazed after 5 or 6 hits, then the weed sucks, in my opinion, and I give up. Burmese isn't extreme in potency, but the high is serious quality, and it has top end without bad side effects. I don't mind those wide leaves at all. In fact, it put some heft to the buds and stems.
ThaiBliss
A grower friend of mine is growing my Colorado Thunderfuck outside this year, I have never seen it grow outside
He sent me this pic and someday I hope that you can add it to your list
Looks very nice from here. Please keep us posted. I love the reports on it. It would be a bonus to see if it ripens outside early enough.
Appreciate the response TB. I've got some Zamaldelica sprouting atm. I have one ready that's been curing for a few weeks. It was my first grow with her and the potency, although really interesting and lovely, isn't as strong as I'd hoped. However, there's definitely something special in her. I'm going to grab more from Dubi soon...how do you find the Zamaldelica compare to Malawi or the Panama? I definitely feel some enhanced euphoria. I've some Bangi Haze also, she's been a wonderful smoke. I was looking into the Real Seed Company Himalayan Sativas, had any experience with those? Your description of what you're seeking is very similar to what I am after.....thanks again mate.
I'm very curious about details of your assessment of Zamaldelica now, and later as the cure plays out on it.
I've never smoked pure Malawi. I grew a few Golden Tigers. I felt some of those had a definite couch-lock that surprised me. I felt an oppression instead of anything soaring like I would have expected with Thai in it. I attributed it to the Malawi. It appears that the selection of Malawi used might have been out of character with other selections of Malawi. I don't know from personal experience, but judging by other people's posts.
I need to grow some more Panama. I don't have enough experience. I question some of my really long running indoor grows that I have done in the last couple of years. I believe I have done something wrong. I need to redesign my indoor cabinet before making any more judgments on my indoor results. My main redesign is to keep my plants farther away from the intense lighting I provided them. Until then, I am reluctant to post any judgments.
That being said, the reports that I have been reading about Panama sound too good to be ignored. Also, some of the aromas from the Panama Haze that I grew woke up memories of really good old school weed that I have not experienced in a long time. I've also gotten compliments from other smokers on Panama Haze. A friend of a friend has asked for seeds from me. I've yet to find out if the request was for Bangi Haze, or Panama Haze, or both. Hard to imagine a better compliment.
From the Zamaldelica?
Thanks for the confirmation of my opinion of Bangi Haze. I have to admit that not all Bangi Haze individuals possessed the bright and soaring feeling of the ones I love.
I have been curious about other Himalayans. The strain I used to have that was so early and good, Seeing God, looked like a picture of a skinny leaved Nepalese that I had seen somewhere. I really wonder who still has that and where did it really come from. That strain was solid proof that trip weed can be early and fast ripening. It's out there somewhere.
T.B.
Mmm, pine. I was talking to someone yesterday who wrinkled their nose in disgust when they mentioned piney weed.
The SAGE cut, with it's piney/turpentine aroma is a whole different animal than Thai with it's citric terpene dominance, but no less trippy. The Thai is more sensory enhancement and nervous system type of trippy. I'd say the SAGE high is more profound. It seems to give a sense of "knowing" and blissful reassurance. It is more in the brain than the sensory extremities.
If the Maui cut has a similar effect, then a case could be made for the pinene terpene being the source of these subtle differences. I have been promoting the idea that the Thai Stick weed was the pinnacle of Cannabis breeding for the effects that I prefer. In all honesty, it is hard to argue that the high of SAGE, with it clear clean intellectual/cerebral sense of knowledge and well being, is not a more refined high. I love both Thai and high quality old school Mexican highs.
I'm blessed to have SAGE, Big Sur Holy Weed, and Maui, all with the pinene terpene dominance, that gives me an opportunity to develop a seed line to preserve these specific traits. Both BSHW and Maui fell into my hands without solicitation by me. A good hearted guy knew I liked SAGE, and offered up BSHW. Thanks! Maui was offered to me for a pittance because of a discussion of the best strains from many decades ago. The holder of Maui was arguing that a Mexican Red Hair strain with it's piney aroma was the one strain of the past that he liked better than Thai. He repeated and strongly emphasized the piney aroma at least 3 times during the discussion.
Best,
ThaiBliss
Yeah, the enhanced euphoria was from the Zamaldelica. I have read of other mentioning a 'cold' feeling. Not in my case. Really positive but probably as I give them lotsa love during the growing.
Same, I have read so much good on the Panamas. I am doing micro on my sativas, bonzai/ sogs etc..haha. It' crazy but I'm getting them to work. Zamaldelica has been such a wonderful plant to grow. I have given them some really tough trimmings, super cold nights etc and they keep coming back and kicking on. Nepal Jam doesn't like the micro, well the ones I had autoflowered. I though th Zamaldelicas would but I only had 1 out of 5 do this.
I have a wonderful Zamaldelica male who is currently pollinating an unidentified sam skunkman haze which I really enjoy. She's a mango smelling sativa that's pretty trippy/ potent. Should be an interesting outcome. I also have some Orient Express ladies in there getting some pollen to. The Orient Express I have is Viet dominate - really really nice.
Same, I have read so much good on the Panamas. I am doing micro on my sativas, bonzai/ sogs etc..haha. It' crazy but I'm getting them to work. Zamaldelica has been such a wonderful plant to grow. I have given them some really tough trimmings, super cold nights etc and they keep coming back and kicking on. Nepal Jam doesn't like the micro, well the ones I had autoflowered. I though th Zamaldelicas would but I only had 1 out of 5 do this.
I have a wonderful Zamaldelica male who is currently pollinating an unidentified sam skunkman haze which I really enjoy. She's a mango smelling sativa that's pretty trippy/ potent. Should be an interesting outcome. I also have some Orient Express ladies in there getting some pollen to. The Orient Express I have is Viet dominate - really really nice.
Hi ThaiBliss,
Interesting you note similar terpene between Maui and Sage and BSHW, it known that the "Maui" aka Lightning Bolt arrived in Hawaii via Mexico
Interesting you note similar terpene between Maui and Sage and BSHW, it known that the "Maui" aka Lightning Bolt arrived in Hawaii via Mexico
Thanks for the all the info. I would love to read paragraphs of detail and see pictures for each strain you are growing, and I'm sure others would enjoy also. Please help us with all your evaluations. I love hearing about this stuff.
